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Minister for Sport Shane Ross said today that any Club that gets Government funding will have to open its facilities to the Community. No great problem with that in principle , but as most Clubs in Ireland Rugby/Golf/ GAA/ Soccer/ Tennis etc have got Government funding over the years is he opening a can of worms here , what happens when a say a travelling family or whoever want to run a function for a genuine sick child and they go to say The K Club/Aviva Stadium/ etc and demand their Clubhouse to run a function to raise money for the sick Child . Its seems easy to criticise the GAA but wait till it comes home to Golf/Rugby/Soccer and we will see what they Goodies have to say them .
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Replying To culmore: "Minister for Sport Shane Ross said today that any Club that gets Government funding will have to open its facilities to the Community. No great problem with that in principle , but as most Clubs in Ireland Rugby/Golf/ GAA/ Soccer/ Tennis etc have got Government funding over the years is he opening a can of worms here , what happens when a say a travelling family or whoever want to run a function for a genuine sick child and they go to say The K Club/Aviva Stadium/ etc and demand their Clubhouse to run a function to raise money for the sick Child . Its seems easy to criticise the GAA but wait till it comes home to Golf/Rugby/Soccer and we will see what they Goodies have to say them ." The difference is other sports wouldnt have refused in the first place, GAA need to come out of the dark age and stop living in the Gladstone era
PyatPree (Cork) - Posts: 376 - 25/07/2018 20:25:09
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Replying To carlowman: "I don't agree with your underlying premise that the FAI should have nothing to do with building stadia. The GAA have sufficient stadia as they have invested hugely in them. All bar Kildare and Waterford have facilities that are good. And I suppose in fairness Newbridge has shown itself good too in recent weeks.
The FAI have little or nothing as they like yourself, don't see it as their responsibility to provide them. In many many cases they have depended on local farmers, landowners or local council's to provide the land for club pitches.the Gaa on the other hand has invested massively in stadia and many Gaa people would say too much so.
People criticise the gaa for the SKY deal.. but the sky money is pumped straight back into the games and stadia development. That's the reality. FAI are content to have a simple professional game where patrons by and large are not getting top class facilities. It is also true that they pay their players and their Budget is seriously limited as a result. To me, the GAA and rugby almost got the Works Cup and money was put in to PUC directly to boost the chance of securing the World Cup. The FAI has a share in the Aviva and last year I think were delighted when their creditors wrote off a sizeable amount of interest .
The Gaa is far from being perfect but on balance has got it's strategies right in providing facilities for players and fans alike. The GAA fans and menbers themselves pay for these facilities with some aid from Central funds. The FAI have not gone down the same road and used similar methods. It looks like the FAI are unlikely in the near future to change their ways." All bar Kildare and Waterford have good facilities !!! Carliwman have you been to Drogheda to see Louth's " county ground" ? It makes Dalymount Park look good .
Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 25/07/2018 20:39:44
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Replying To ulsterrules: "your right if you can find his underage games for Cork City go ahead he moved to celtic when he was 15ish though, I don't mind . It's a sad story and I am not bothered if this game goes ahead in Cork or not , I just don't like the GAA bashing that is going on . We have rules about sports being played in GAA venues , we change those rules every so often to accomodate other sports like soccer and rugby in Croke park, it was clear then that they were exceptions. whether the rule should be there or not is another question for me it should be.
If the powers that be in the GAA decide to change this rule and vote on the change then so be it." I believe he was 16 when he went to Celtic, my point being that I'm assuming he played many underage games in Cork (not necessarily for Cork City), so if you're including underage games for Ireland, surely you should include underage games for any Cork teams in the equation aswell?
Or failing that, he played more for Hibs than Ireland, so by your logic it'd make more sense to play the game in Edinburgh, no?
I'd agree with you about the GAA bashing though, I think there's a fair few people who are only delighted with this opportunity to give out about the GAA. I'd like to see the match played in PÚC like a lot of others, but some of the criticism and attempted shaming of the GAA is over the top.
And I wouldn't be too critical of the FAI here either. I'd look more at every eejit who likes to think of themselves as great Irish soccer fans, yet refer to Man Utd, Liverpool, Chelsea, etc., as WE or US, spends several hundred Euro following said team every year, and wouldn't bother spending €20 or less to go see their local team play. It's at the feet of those barstooling clowns where the blame lies that there is no adequate stadium outside of the Aviva in this country to play soccer.
extranjero (Wexford) - Posts: 375 - 25/07/2018 21:48:00
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Replying To arock: "I think the Hoganstand story "Opinion: Pairc Ui Chaoimh should be opened but the FAI has a lot to answer for" reflects I would say the views of the vast majority of GAA fans." yeah but thats a completely seperate issue..it has no relevance in this situation....this is about the gaa badly handling this situation..the fai being a shambles is a different story altogether..this is a very special circumstances....there is no stadia necessary soccer wise in the south compared with pauric ui chaoimh
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 26/07/2018 00:36:11
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Replying To extranjero: "I believe he was 16 when he went to Celtic, my point being that I'm assuming he played many underage games in Cork (not necessarily for Cork City), so if you're including underage games for Ireland, surely you should include underage games for any Cork teams in the equation aswell?
Or failing that, he played more for Hibs than Ireland, so by your logic it'd make more sense to play the game in Edinburgh, no?
I'd agree with you about the GAA bashing though, I think there's a fair few people who are only delighted with this opportunity to give out about the GAA. I'd like to see the match played in PÚC like a lot of others, but some of the criticism and attempted shaming of the GAA is over the top.
And I wouldn't be too critical of the FAI here either. I'd look more at every eejit who likes to think of themselves as great Irish soccer fans, yet refer to Man Utd, Liverpool, Chelsea, etc., as WE or US, spends several hundred Euro following said team every year, and wouldn't bother spending €20 or less to go see their local team play. It's at the feet of those barstooling clowns where the blame lies that there is no adequate stadium outside of the Aviva in this country to play soccer." yes but in fairness its the same for everybody outside the top leagues who are swallowing up everything..people talk about all the money in soccer but the reality is its all basically concentrated into 5-6 leagues..
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 26/07/2018 00:37:13
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Replying To Greengrass: "All bar Kildare and Waterford have good facilities !!! Carliwman have you been to Drogheda to see Louth's " county ground" ? It makes Dalymount Park look good ." but what facilities do you honestly expect them to have?..you are comparing it with a 45k brand new stadium?...theres not many clubs in the premier league in england who can fill that never mind the league of ireland..
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 26/07/2018 00:38:27
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Replying To Htaem: "I think most of us understand the frustration, presumably Damian would have played with Liam Miller (I can't remember exactly) and feels very strongly about this and personally I'm not happy about the way the Gaa has treated this situation either.
However I don't think his comments are in any way helpful, infact they will only serve to alienate grassroots Gaa supporters. The Gaa are in a position to facilitate a charity event (which they really should have done, without dragging the heals, but that ship has now sailed, no matter what the outcome), but the only reason they are being asked to do so is because the FAI are incapable.
The FAI's problems are of no concern to the Gaa, nor should they be and Damian Duff should choose his words more carefully because he came across as an arrogant git to be honest. However once again, the Gaa have done themselves no favours here either, it's been a disaster really." people just need to have thicker skin in my opinion..hes not giving out about volunteers..hes giving out about the people at the top who are happy to let various concerts and gigs in when it suits them..he made the comments very strong because he knew it would apply pressure and get a big reaction...he wasnt too outspoken as a player so its unlike him in fairness..
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 26/07/2018 00:40:28
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This is awful simple. There is no rule preventing this game happening. People are interpreting the rule to suit themselves. As a lifelong GAA member, supporter and very poor player I am embarrassed.
What is even more embarrassing is some peoples attempts to justify it by having pot shots at soccer, the fai etc.
The only thing that is relevant is a tragedy that has happened a young family, the community are rallying around to try and help and instead of leading the charge to help the organisation that I am associated with are washing their hands of it. Shame on them and shame on any of u that think this is an opportunity to knock other sports or organisations.
When I bring my young lad to GAA Under 6's on Saturday morning at 10 and then to Soccer U6's at 1130 what I see in the car park are parents and volunteers helping out the kids. Sometimes it is the same people training both. They are not doing it for the fai or the gaa they are doing it for the kids. They coordinate training not to clash, help each other out, share facilities etc. That is the reality of the millennial generation and it is great to see. Maybe it is time some of the people at the top took a look downwards for inspiration.
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Replying To alano12: "but what facilities do you honestly expect them to have?..you are comparing it with a 45k brand new stadium?...theres not many clubs in the premier league in england who can fill that never mind the league of ireland.." I think you are missing his point.
kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 26/07/2018 11:25:50
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Replying To zinny: "If this is only about the charity element then have all those soccer boys team up with past Cork Gaelic Footballers and play a Charity Gaelic Football game. I am sure all the people who say this is just about charity would still go and pay for the privilege to see these soccer greats playing Gaelic Football.
The problem is not just about the charity and will be used to promote soccer in Cork, in a county where Gaelic Football is at a low ebb. This is in essence the purpose of the rule and people who go on about allowing concerts etc in stadiums are clueless. Speak to coaches in underage club's near or in towns about the competition there is for players between the sports. The GAA have done a lot over the past few years about trying to address player dropout at youth level. There is no way they should be allowing other sports the opportunity to promote their own game." Is that a financial policy? Rake in loads of cash from concerts but don't spend too much of it promoting the GAA to prospective new players and supporters who could be interested in other sports? Naybe some will want to be the next Michael Buble! It's 2018. Kids have a lot of influences/distractions now, not all good like TV and social media. Dora the Explorer plays soccer. Sounds silly but kids notice that stuff. They might spend a few quid on a GAA kids You Tube channel and mascot to get kids at least interested in GAA. Seems to me it's Kellogs and less so the GAA promoting the Cúl Camps. A massive opportunity for the GAA to promote themselves with parents kids for the year ahead but only seems to be talked about locally. They'll probably change sports loads of times and by the time they finish school probably for many their only exercise is the gym. Some stocky GAA teenagers night end up playing rugby as it suits their physique better. Better that than them playing no sports at all. I think it's inevitable nowadays with outside influences kids and adults will be interested in other sports at some level. But the GAA can still grow it's numbers. Even the next time you've a phone with you show the kids some GAA stuff on YouTube to get them interested.
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The flak that the GAA has rightly gotten over this debacle has nothing to do with the FAI's own incompetence. And I could talk a lot about the issues in the FAI!
Strawman whataboutery at it's finest.
The GAA has handled this absolutely appallingly and any deflection doesn't change the fact that they've messed this simple decision up so massively.
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Replying To kildare73: "I think you are missing his point." explain it so?...it seems like nothing more than deflecting from the topic to me..
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 26/07/2018 14:27:56
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Replying To MesAmis: "The flak that the GAA has rightly gotten over this debacle has nothing to do with the FAI's own incompetence. And I could talk a lot about the issues in the FAI!
Strawman whataboutery at it's finest.
The GAA has handled this absolutely appallingly and any deflection doesn't change the fact that they've messed this simple decision up so massively." cant get over the amount of whataboutery over this..first it was how it should be in the aviva or something..they have now moved on to attacking the fai and the stadiums league of ireland teams have?
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 26/07/2018 14:32:52
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Replying To Mayonman: "This is awful simple. There is no rule preventing this game happening. People are interpreting the rule to suit themselves. As a lifelong GAA member, supporter and very poor player I am embarrassed.
What is even more embarrassing is some peoples attempts to justify it by having pot shots at soccer, the fai etc.
The only thing that is relevant is a tragedy that has happened a young family, the community are rallying around to try and help and instead of leading the charge to help the organisation that I am associated with are washing their hands of it. Shame on them and shame on any of u that think this is an opportunity to knock other sports or organisations.
When I bring my young lad to GAA Under 6's on Saturday morning at 10 and then to Soccer U6's at 1130 what I see in the car park are parents and volunteers helping out the kids. Sometimes it is the same people training both. They are not doing it for the fai or the gaa they are doing it for the kids. They coordinate training not to clash, help each other out, share facilities etc. That is the reality of the millennial generation and it is great to see. Maybe it is time some of the people at the top took a look downwards for inspiration." yeah but the gaa are the only sport with volunteers according to some people...utterly bigoted and people full of agendas
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 26/07/2018 14:57:10
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I am getting very tired of the Liam Miller saga. Sadly the man passed away leaving a wife and kids. To be honest he had a good career in football and with the clubs he played for he should have made a few euro. My point is what about all the other young father's or mother's that died of similar age and similar circumstances but forged a living from working in factories, self employed, civil servant etc etc. There is no big charity football game for them. I have every bit of sympathy for the Millar family but a small bit of perspective is required in this instance.
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Replying To alano12: "yeah but the gaa are the only sport with volunteers according to some people...utterly bigoted and people full of agendas" No one said that but they are the biggest amateur sporting organisation .......as for bigots I think you will find the GPA called for the game to be played in Pairc uni Chaoimh but it was a well paid professional in Mr Duff who was dishing out insults to volunteers in the GAA, pot and kettle?
PaudieSull1 (Down) - Posts: 738 - 26/07/2018 15:34:17
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Replying To eoinog: "I am getting very tired of the Liam Miller saga. Sadly the man passed away leaving a wife and kids. To be honest he had a good career in football and with the clubs he played for he should have made a few euro. My point is what about all the other young father's or mother's that died of similar age and similar circumstances but forged a living from working in factories, self employed, civil servant etc etc. There is no big charity football game for them. I have every bit of sympathy for the Millar family but a small bit of perspective is required in this instance." I think you are missing half the reason for the match. Apart from the charitable aspect, the game is a chance for the people of Cork and his ex teammates to pay tribute to Liam Miller. And for all we know some of the fortune you think he has earned may have been spent on medical expenses. To be honest, if I were the Miller family I would be the one getting tired of it all. As for your fatigue on the subject, nobody is forcing you to read or write about it.
kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 26/07/2018 16:02:23
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Replying To PaudieSull1: "No one said that but they are the biggest amateur sporting organisation .......as for bigots I think you will find the GPA called for the game to be played in Pairc uni Chaoimh but it was a well paid professional in Mr Duff who was dishing out insults to volunteers in the GAA, pot and kettle?" damien duff didnt insult volunteers..he insulted the gaa hierarchy i.e those hiding behind technicalities and rules in order to stop the game being played in pairc ui chaoimh...why dont you deal in facts for a change instead of taking petty digs at soccer?...stop pretending like gaa are the only sport with volunteers...what difference does it make that they are the biggest amateur organisation?...i think you will find its the gaa who are holding up the game from being played at pairc ui chaoimh which is what damien duff gave out about...ill await your criticism on that..
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 26/07/2018 16:11:17
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Replying To eoinog: "I am getting very tired of the Liam Miller saga. Sadly the man passed away leaving a wife and kids. To be honest he had a good career in football and with the clubs he played for he should have made a few euro. My point is what about all the other young father's or mother's that died of similar age and similar circumstances but forged a living from working in factories, self employed, civil servant etc etc. There is no big charity football game for them. I have every bit of sympathy for the Millar family but a small bit of perspective is required in this instance." obviously but the bigger the name the bigger the chance of making money for a charity..just the way it is sadly...
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