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Pairc Ui Chaoimh And Liam Miller

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Replying To alano12:  "i quite like him..remember him as one of our top players in his prime..great servant to his country..his comments were stating the obvious..the amount of people who are quite sensitive about the gaa rightly getting well deserved abuse is quite laughable.."
It's mad.

It's not so much that people disagree with him saying we are being run by dinosaurs but the issue is who said it!

That's actually the issue

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1338 - 25/07/2018 10:10:23    2126006

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Replying To Canuck:  "This is not about Duff. Who cares about he mouthing off. Don't use him as a deflection or cover for terrible behaviour of the GAA. They should be above this."
Its is about Duff and all his likewise cronies. Terrible behaviour by a organisation who are able to pay players (sometimes) and pay huge wages to the management at the top , yet unable to provide a pitch outside Dublin with a capacity of more than 15k. Get your fact correct before making more silly statements.

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 25/07/2018 10:23:55    2126013

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Its is about Duff and all his likewise cronies. Terrible behaviour by a organisation who are able to pay players (sometimes) and pay huge wages to the management at the top , yet unable to provide a pitch outside Dublin with a capacity of more than 15k. Get your fact correct before making more silly statements.
browncows (Meath) - Posts: 1817 - 25/07/2018 10:23:55 How many people in the FAI get such huge wages? And what players are they paying very high wages?
Why would FAI need such a big stadium outside of Dublin. What use would a 15K or more stadium owned by FAI outside of Dublin actually have?

DonaldDuck (Tipperary) - Posts: 544 - 25/07/2018 10:37:30    2126017

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Replying To browncows:  "Its is about Duff and all his likewise cronies. Terrible behaviour by a organisation who are able to pay players (sometimes) and pay huge wages to the management at the top , yet unable to provide a pitch outside Dublin with a capacity of more than 15k. Get your fact correct before making more silly statements."
It's about some GAA officials not allowing Pairc Ui Chaoimh for a benefit match.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7346 - 25/07/2018 10:42:06    2126021

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Minister Shane Ross announced this morning that government funding for future stadium infrastructure projects will include stipulations that the venues are made available for local communities
He was talking at the launch of the new National Sports Policy 2018-2027. Lots of notable talking points in it
A doubling of the fund for sport to €220m per year by 2027

Multi-annual funding for high performance

Target of 20 medals for 2028 Olympic/Paralymic Games

Participation in sport to rise from 43% to 50%

DonaldDuck (Tipperary) - Posts: 544 - 25/07/2018 11:55:36    2126043

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Its is about Duff and all his likewise cronies. Terrible behaviour by a organisation who are able to pay players (sometimes) and pay huge wages to the management at the top , yet unable to provide a pitch outside Dublin with a capacity of more than 15k. Get your fact correct before making more silly statements.

What players do the FAI pay?

This is not about the GAA, its about Liam Millers charity game and the GAA (PUC). The game has nothing to do with the FAI!

DundalkGael (Louth) - Posts: 892 - 25/07/2018 11:57:31    2126044

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Replying To DundalkGael:  "Its is about Duff and all his likewise cronies. Terrible behaviour by a organisation who are able to pay players (sometimes) and pay huge wages to the management at the top , yet unable to provide a pitch outside Dublin with a capacity of more than 15k. Get your fact correct before making more silly statements.

What players do the FAI pay?

This is not about the GAA, its about Liam Millers charity game and the GAA (PUC). The game has nothing to do with the FAI!"
Yes it does ......they are the organising body for soccer in the 26 counties, if they were managing things correctly then like the gaa they would have a suitable large venue available in cork but they don't hence why the gaa will have to step in again to bail them out..........

Gaa should allow the game to go ahead but the focus should be on the shambles that the FAI is as well......

PaudieSull1 (Down) - Posts: 738 - 25/07/2018 12:32:06    2126055

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Damian Duff should mind his own business.

lochgarmanabu (Wexford) - Posts: 1020 - 25/07/2018 12:39:53    2126056

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Replying To PaudieSull1:  "Yes it does ......they are the organising body for soccer in the 26 counties, if they were managing things correctly then like the gaa they would have a suitable large venue available in cork but they don't hence why the gaa will have to step in again to bail them out..........

Gaa should allow the game to go ahead but the focus should be on the shambles that the FAI is as well......"
Its not upto the FAI to build clubs stadiums! Up North the Government pay most of their ground works, in England and Scotland neither the SFA or EFA build stadiums for clubs! Why do you think the FAI would?

This is about the GAA refusing to hold a chairty match in their grounds (shocking behaviour from them IMO)

All this will do especially in Cork City, will push kids towards soccer more especially now they are in direct competition from next season with summer season soccer to begin.

DundalkGael (Louth) - Posts: 892 - 25/07/2018 12:59:26    2126066

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Replying To tearintom:  "It's mad.

It's not so much that people disagree with him saying we are being run by dinosaurs but the issue is who said it!

That's actually the issue"
and why is it an issue?

alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 25/07/2018 13:17:47    2126072

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Replying To DundalkGael:  "Its not upto the FAI to build clubs stadiums! Up North the Government pay most of their ground works, in England and Scotland neither the SFA or EFA build stadiums for clubs! Why do you think the FAI would?

This is about the GAA refusing to hold a chairty match in their grounds (shocking behaviour from them IMO)

All this will do especially in Cork City, will push kids towards soccer more especially now they are in direct competition from next season with summer season soccer to begin."
You're completely missing the point . The FAI is the administrative body for the sport of soccer.in this country. They set the standards . Their standards have ensured that the soccer stadia in this country are crumbling . As a result of decades of neglect the vast majority of them are in a shocking state of disrepair . If you go to Oriel Park you will know what I'm talking about. The FAI is a member of the wealthiest sporting organisation in the world. They have had access to millions upon millions of euro. To say as the administrative body of soccer on this island that they should have no part to play in the development of the club facilities is daft beyond belief. It is incumbent upon them to assist the clubs financially in the development of their stadia . That is what The GAA does for it's clubs and counties. To compare The FAI with the SFA and the FA is also wrong . Fully functioning, fully professional leagues have been operating in those countries for almost 140 years.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 25/07/2018 13:34:50    2126086

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Replying To extranjero:  "But surely if you want to include underage games for Ireland, you should consider underage games he played for Cork teams aswell?"
your right if you can find his underage games for Cork City go ahead he moved to celtic when he was 15ish though, I don't mind . It's a sad story and I am not bothered if this game goes ahead in Cork or not , I just don't like the GAA bashing that is going on . We have rules about sports being played in GAA venues , we change those rules every so often to accomodate other sports like soccer and rugby in Croke park, it was clear then that they were exceptions. whether the rule should be there or not is another question for me it should be.

If the powers that be in the GAA decide to change this rule and vote on the change then so be it.

ulsterrules (Donegal) - Posts: 259 - 25/07/2018 14:02:50    2126102

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Replying To DundalkGael:  "Its not upto the FAI to build clubs stadiums! Up North the Government pay most of their ground works, in England and Scotland neither the SFA or EFA build stadiums for clubs! Why do you think the FAI would?

This is about the GAA refusing to hold a chairty match in their grounds (shocking behaviour from them IMO)

All this will do especially in Cork City, will push kids towards soccer more especially now they are in direct competition from next season with summer season soccer to begin."
Won't have the slightest impact on cork gaa and kids playing the game.......just compare the numbers of kids at cul camps in cork to what will be attending various soccer camps, wishful thinking by the anti gaa brigade......as I have said previously I hope and believe the game will go ahead , could it have been handled better than yes but both sides to blame a bit on that

PaudieSull1 (Down) - Posts: 738 - 25/07/2018 14:04:20    2126103

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Replying To ulsterrules:  "your right if you can find his underage games for Cork City go ahead he moved to celtic when he was 15ish though, I don't mind . It's a sad story and I am not bothered if this game goes ahead in Cork or not , I just don't like the GAA bashing that is going on . We have rules about sports being played in GAA venues , we change those rules every so often to accomodate other sports like soccer and rugby in Croke park, it was clear then that they were exceptions. whether the rule should be there or not is another question for me it should be.

If the powers that be in the GAA decide to change this rule and vote on the change then so be it."
You nailed it ulsterrules.
"If the powers that be in the GAA decide to change this rule and vote on the change then so be it."
The powers that be have set themselves a drift of their members best interest and wishes.This has been the situation with so many issues. You don't need to hear the list again for 2018 alone. However it is not just changing rules. It is interrupting them as they see fit for the occasion and constantly having to walk their decisions back. No on can deny that this is a fact. This decision will be walked back also.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2660 - 25/07/2018 14:28:47    2126112

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I think most of us understand the frustration, presumably Damian would have played with Liam Miller (I can't remember exactly) and feels very strongly about this and personally I'm not happy about the way the Gaa has treated this situation either.

However I don't think his comments are in any way helpful, infact they will only serve to alienate grassroots Gaa supporters. The Gaa are in a position to facilitate a charity event (which they really should have done, without dragging the heals, but that ship has now sailed, no matter what the outcome), but the only reason they are being asked to do so is because the FAI are incapable.

The FAI's problems are of no concern to the Gaa, nor should they be and Damian Duff should choose his words more carefully because he came across as an arrogant git to be honest. However once again, the Gaa have done themselves no favours here either, it's been a disaster really.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 25/07/2018 16:57:18    2126178

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Replying To PaudieSull1:  "That's the point you are speculating as you don't know what was agreed/not agreed but you can be sure that the cork county board didn't sign up to anything that was going to break the rule book.......should the GAA find a way to facilitate thus then yes they should and I think they will but it isn't as simple as what some people are saying and also you have plenty of people just itching for a chance to bitch about the GAA and are using a human tragedy to further their own agenda ............most of the people howling up and down about access to Pairc up chaoimh are missing the elephant in the room which is the pathetic state of soccor facilities on this island despite it being the richest game in the world ......two bigs issues being Irish soccer fans prefer to go to Manchester or Liverpool than follow their local club and secondly the amount of people with their heads in the trough throughout soccer at an organised level........as for Duff , empty vessels make the most noise , if he had any integrity he would be organising his ex team mates together to make up the difference to the charities from their multi million pound salaries over the years, what a gesture that would be if professional soccer players said they would make up the difference in fundraising between the attendance at Pairc uni chaoimh and turners cross then when the gaa come up to the nark ( and they will) the charity will effectively double their money ( we all know that won't happen though, hypocrites)"
So anyone you disagree with are speculating and you have the facts? You have no clue what you're talking about.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7346 - 25/07/2018 17:24:00    2126192

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If this is only about the charity element then have all those soccer boys team up with past Cork Gaelic Footballers and play a Charity Gaelic Football game. I am sure all the people who say this is just about charity would still go and pay for the privilege to see these soccer greats playing Gaelic Football.
The problem is not just about the charity and will be used to promote soccer in Cork, in a county where Gaelic Football is at a low ebb. This is in essence the purpose of the rule and people who go on about allowing concerts etc in stadiums are clueless. Speak to coaches in underage club's near or in towns about the competition there is for players between the sports. The GAA have done a lot over the past few years about trying to address player dropout at youth level. There is no way they should be allowing other sports the opportunity to promote their own game.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1805 - 25/07/2018 17:30:27    2126198

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Replying To DundalkGael:  "Its not upto the FAI to build clubs stadiums! Up North the Government pay most of their ground works, in England and Scotland neither the SFA or EFA build stadiums for clubs! Why do you think the FAI would?

This is about the GAA refusing to hold a chairty match in their grounds (shocking behaviour from them IMO)

All this will do especially in Cork City, will push kids towards soccer more especially now they are in direct competition from next season with summer season soccer to begin."
I don't agree with your underlying premise that the FAI should have nothing to do with building stadia. The GAA have sufficient stadia as they have invested hugely in them. All bar Kildare and Waterford have facilities that are good. And I suppose in fairness Newbridge has shown itself good too in recent weeks.
The FAI have little or nothing as they like yourself, don't see it as their responsibility to provide them. In many many cases they have depended on local farmers, landowners or local council's to provide the land for club pitches.the Gaa on the other hand has invested massively in stadia and many Gaa people would say too much so.
People criticise the gaa for the SKY deal.. but the sky money is pumped straight back into the games and stadia development. That's the reality. FAI are content to have a simple professional game where patrons by and large are not getting top class facilities. It is also true that they pay their players and their Budget is seriously limited as a result. To me, the GAA and rugby almost got the Works Cup and money was put in to PUC directly to boost the chance of securing the World Cup. The FAI has a share in the Aviva and last year I think were delighted when their creditors wrote off a sizeable amount of interest .
The Gaa is far from being perfect but on balance has got it's strategies right in providing facilities for players and fans alike. The GAA fans and menbers themselves pay for these facilities with some aid from Central funds. The FAI have not gone down the same road and used similar methods. It looks like the FAI are unlikely in the near future to change their ways.

carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1821 - 25/07/2018 17:33:02    2126200

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Replying To carlowman:  "I don't agree with your underlying premise that the FAI should have nothing to do with building stadia. The GAA have sufficient stadia as they have invested hugely in them. All bar Kildare and Waterford have facilities that are good. And I suppose in fairness Newbridge has shown itself good too in recent weeks.
The FAI have little or nothing as they like yourself, don't see it as their responsibility to provide them. In many many cases they have depended on local farmers, landowners or local council's to provide the land for club pitches.the Gaa on the other hand has invested massively in stadia and many Gaa people would say too much so.
People criticise the gaa for the SKY deal.. but the sky money is pumped straight back into the games and stadia development. That's the reality. FAI are content to have a simple professional game where patrons by and large are not getting top class facilities. It is also true that they pay their players and their Budget is seriously limited as a result. To me, the GAA and rugby almost got the Works Cup and money was put in to PUC directly to boost the chance of securing the World Cup. The FAI has a share in the Aviva and last year I think were delighted when their creditors wrote off a sizeable amount of interest .
The Gaa is far from being perfect but on balance has got it's strategies right in providing facilities for players and fans alike. The GAA fans and menbers themselves pay for these facilities with some aid from Central funds. The FAI have not gone down the same road and used similar methods. It looks like the FAI are unlikely in the near future to change their ways."
Mes and Greengrass have the full story on this. It'd mean the FAI getting serious about the League of Ireland. Promoting it better to increase attendances before they could pay part time players and increase the number of full time players and improving the standard. No point in thinking about building new stadia before getting more into current stadia and possibly upgrading them first.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7346 - 25/07/2018 17:53:07    2126205

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I think the Hoganstand story "Opinion: Pairc Ui Chaoimh should be opened but the FAI has a lot to answer for" reflects I would say the views of the vast majority of GAA fans.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4896 - 25/07/2018 18:59:08    2126218

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