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Pairc Ui Chaoimh And Liam Miller

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Let me rich ex-soccer players rubbishes the GAA and calls US dinosaurs (minus the expletive). Well daddy cool Duff how come the game cannot be played in Turners Cross? because it is a rusting delapitated pile. Yeah the richest sport in the World but not in Ireland, they have a guy at the top of their organisation who priobably earns more than probably the combined salaries of 10 top teams in ireland he us up there with Trump in terms of salary. Yet some of the clubs in the sport he presides over can't pay their players wages? Why? because most of the people clamouring for the GAA to hand over its state of the art stadiums have never set foot in Turners Cross nor never will grace a league of Ireland match. The people who made Duff whatever he was (in soccer terms very average) got pennies and most of the Irish fans who followed Duff enriched him and his like. So Turners Cross is not good enough and all you want is for us to hand over the stadium toff our hat, accept your insults and be off? This guy and his like are away with the fairies.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4897 - 24/07/2018 13:57:37    2125689

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Replying To Midleton:  "And this is a government which never gets egg all over their fat faces? The GAA have taken legal advice. Has our government? Too many anti-GAA people talking without knowing what they are talking about.

The GAA should do what the government often does: allow the game to go ahead at the Pairc and then fine themselves for breaking their own rules. Money moves out and moves back again."
I am not anti GAA. Very ,very simple. Did the GAA take 30 million of funding that had rules attached to it and break those rules ? You know how they are so big on their rules. Like the one that says the game can not be played at PUC. We can have a discussion on the government in another forum.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2660 - 24/07/2018 14:00:36    2125691

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Replying To Canuck:  "This letter shows again what everyone knows but most are in denial.
1. The GAA have selective rules and use them selectively.
2. The leadership do not know or understand the rules they have made.
3. Directives that contravene rules are handed out by Croke Park.
4. Application of rules blatantly show bias against soccer and the activities of their own members who play it.
5. This letter also show the leadership is out of touch with its grass roots and communities.
Unfortunately we jump from one President to next without any significant change in strategy. This suggest that it is an old buddies club. The grass roots needs to take back their organization putting intelligent honest people forward."
People (even in the GAA) don't know most of the rules nor do they need to. The GAA is NOT a democracy nor is the IRFU or especially the FAI with its president for life Delaney!! So democracy is not part of the GAA. The GAA is run by committees at club and county and that is the way it always has been. But consider the problem, Na Fianna has maybe 4500+ members and they are represented by a couple of delegates to the DUBLIN county. The Dublin club delegates representing tens of thousands of ordinary GAA members vote first on motions, if motions passed its raised at National Congress by a couple of delegates representing each county. So take a player called Canuck his voice is first represented by a club delegate, then a county delegate. Most Annual Motions put to congress do not even get discussed becasue it doesn't have the correct amount of votes to just discuss it. Now the point of all the above is, the GAA is NOT a democracy but neither is any Irish sporting body. Making quick decisions are quite impossible which is why we have committees whose functions are to bend the rules exactly in situations like this one.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4897 - 24/07/2018 14:13:27    2125700

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Replying To Canuck:  "I am not anti GAA. Very ,very simple. Did the GAA take 30 million of funding that had rules attached to it and break those rules ? You know how they are so big on their rules. Like the one that says the game can not be played at PUC. We can have a discussion on the government in another forum."
The did not take anything , they were given the sum of money as a grant so that another stadium could be added and, in process help the rugby application to host a world event. In the process they also made available stadiums all over the country. I'm not aware of them breaking any rule and I'm not aware of any agreement been made to the soccer community.

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 24/07/2018 14:20:47    2125705

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Replying To arock:  "Let me rich ex-soccer players rubbishes the GAA and calls US dinosaurs (minus the expletive). Well daddy cool Duff how come the game cannot be played in Turners Cross? because it is a rusting delapitated pile. Yeah the richest sport in the World but not in Ireland, they have a guy at the top of their organisation who priobably earns more than probably the combined salaries of 10 top teams in ireland he us up there with Trump in terms of salary. Yet some of the clubs in the sport he presides over can't pay their players wages? Why? because most of the people clamouring for the GAA to hand over its state of the art stadiums have never set foot in Turners Cross nor never will grace a league of Ireland match. The people who made Duff whatever he was (in soccer terms very average) got pennies and most of the Irish fans who followed Duff enriched him and his like. So Turners Cross is not good enough and all you want is for us to hand over the stadium toff our hat, accept your insults and be off? This guy and his like are away with the fairies."
So what does any of that have to do with the GAA not allowing Pairc Ui Chaoimh to be used for a benefit match?

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7346 - 24/07/2018 14:23:38    2125709

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Replying To footballfirst:  "Yeah. Sometimes its better to say nothing if you have nothing useful to say. This is clearly at a delicate stage and the last thing needed is an ex international throwing petrol on it. We all want this to be resolved and I really hope it can be played in PuC for no other reason than to maximse the return for the charity. I couldn't care less if they play cricket on the day !

Duff also said something about it being too late now anyway and that GAA were coming out of this badly no matter what. Again a completely unnecessary comment that adds nothing to the debate. For what its worth if it can be fixed the GAA deserve to be applauded and not ridiculed and I really hope someone in the media who is in a position to respond to Duff, does respond and call him out for his nonsense."
Well said. I feel sorry for the Millar family in all of this. What should have been a special occasion and an honour to the memory of a great man has become a slanging match. Shame on all sides. I'm sure most sound minded people only wanted for communities and people to get together and raise a bit of awareness for charities and the Millar family but a bad taste will now be left in the mouth.

Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 24/07/2018 14:24:05    2125710

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Replying To browncows:  "The did not take anything , they were given the sum of money as a grant so that another stadium could be added and, in process help the rugby application to host a world event. In the process they also made available stadiums all over the country. I'm not aware of them breaking any rule and I'm not aware of any agreement been made to the soccer community."
You are playing with words. If they were given they had to take and must have applied for the grant to begin with. A grant that seems to have conditions attached to it. Either that is fact or not, I don't know only what is reported. I assume if it is fact that the condition would not be specific to soccer but general use. Again speculation on my part. Either the report that a government minister has told the GAA they are in breach of a grant condition is true or fake news.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2660 - 24/07/2018 14:46:55    2125729

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Replying To arock:  "Yeah I get the he is from down the road thing, but I don't get why the GAA has to open up its grounds when the home of Irish Soccer Sis lying empty and idle. And then people have the brass neck to complain about the GAA - it is nothing to do with them. By all means open the GAA grounds for everyone, not just a one off. GAA is an amateur sport Soccer is one of the wealtiest sports in the world. You can't have PUC so whats wrong with the AVIVA?"
because the aviva is in dublin..the game is being hosted in cork..it makes far more sense for the game to be hosted in cork..the gaa have the facilities to host it and can comfortably do so..they are hardly a poor organisation...lose the agenda....this is very straight forward to understand..comes across like quite a grudge you have

alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 24/07/2018 15:38:48    2125762

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Replying To ulsterrules:  "lets not forget GAA Soccer Rugby are all competing for the same players the same supporters and while it is not popular to say so but this is soccer, they have their own professional body looking after them , Aviva would be a better choice allow the irish fans to pay tribute to Liam as he played more times for ireland than he did for Cork City."
check your facts..move along..

alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 24/07/2018 15:39:57    2125766

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Replying To ulsterrules:  "lets not forget GAA Soccer Rugby are all competing for the same players the same supporters and while it is not popular to say so but this is soccer, they have their own professional body looking after them , Aviva would be a better choice allow the irish fans to pay tribute to Liam as he played more times for ireland than he did for Cork City."
roy keane never even played for cork city, does that mean hes somehow not a cork man?..where do you think people are more likely to attend a testimonial..in the place they came from or hours away?

alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 24/07/2018 15:40:59    2125767

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36 years old leaving behind a young family.

The poor chap. May he Rest In Peace.

It's a great pity that it wasn't played in PUC but let's hope that there's still plenty of money made for his family.

At least they are in such a privileged position to have so many people working on their behalf in order to benefit their future together without their husband/father.

There are many families that are not so lucky.

A very sobering story this.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 24/07/2018 16:09:33    2125780

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Let me rich ex-soccer players rubbishes the GAA and calls US dinosaurs (minus the expletive). Well daddy cool Duff how come the game cannot be played in Turners Cross? because it is a rusting delapitated pile. Yeah the richest sport in the World but not in Ireland, they have a guy at the top of their organisation who priobably earns more than probably the combined salaries of 10 top teams in ireland he us up there with Trump in terms of salary. Yet some of the clubs in the sport he presides over can't pay their players wages? Why? because most of the people clamouring for the GAA to hand over its state of the art stadiums have never set foot in Turners Cross nor never will grace a league of Ireland match. The people who made Duff whatever he was (in soccer terms very average) got pennies and most of the Irish fans who followed Duff enriched him and his like. So Turners Cross is not good enough and all you want is for us to hand over the stadium toff our hat, accept your insults and be off? This guy and his like are away with the fairies.
arock (Dublin) - Posts: 3709 - 24/07/2018 13:57:37


The game can be played in Turners Cross. More people could attend and the chairty (WHICH IS THE MAIN THING HERE) would make more money. if held in PUC

Dundalk have a wage budget of over €1Million as do Cork and Rovers so your talking nonsense about Delaney been on more money than the combined salaries of the top 10 teams. (Delaney needs out btw but thats a diff matter)

If 10,000 people extra attend PUC than if it was on in Turners Cross, what difference does it make how many games they attend? It makes THE CHAIRTY MONEY

My local soccer team train on our GAA pitch reguarly and not a thing does be said about it

DundalkGael (Louth) - Posts: 893 - 24/07/2018 17:05:07    2125805

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Replying To Canuck:  "You are playing with words. If they were given they had to take and must have applied for the grant to begin with. A grant that seems to have conditions attached to it. Either that is fact or not, I don't know only what is reported. I assume if it is fact that the condition would not be specific to soccer but general use. Again speculation on my part. Either the report that a government minister has told the GAA they are in breach of a grant condition is true or fake news."
You can be rest assured that most reports issued by ministers are indeed fake news. Most GAA folk on this board would like for the pitch to be made available but would not be too happy getting lectures from individuals like Duff who obviously has nothing else to do with his spare time except to make ill-informed silly comments-was the man looking into a mirror when making such comment. Perhaps he would better occupied putting his efforts into raising funds to develop a soccer stadium somewhere.

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 24/07/2018 18:10:38    2125834

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Replying To arock:  "Let me rich ex-soccer players rubbishes the GAA and calls US dinosaurs (minus the expletive). Well daddy cool Duff how come the game cannot be played in Turners Cross? because it is a rusting delapitated pile. Yeah the richest sport in the World but not in Ireland, they have a guy at the top of their organisation who priobably earns more than probably the combined salaries of 10 top teams in ireland he us up there with Trump in terms of salary. Yet some of the clubs in the sport he presides over can't pay their players wages? Why? because most of the people clamouring for the GAA to hand over its state of the art stadiums have never set foot in Turners Cross nor never will grace a league of Ireland match. The people who made Duff whatever he was (in soccer terms very average) got pennies and most of the Irish fans who followed Duff enriched him and his like. So Turners Cross is not good enough and all you want is for us to hand over the stadium toff our hat, accept your insults and be off? This guy and his like are away with the fairies."
I think Duff has no manners, and in that context alone, is a dreadfully poor ambassador/spokesman for his sport. I couldn't believe the comments attributed to him in today's paper. Often comes across as an entitled peevish little man. Soccer in Ireland would do well to lose this guy as a 'diplomat' for the game.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3423 - 24/07/2018 18:39:48    2125840

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Replying To DundalkGael:  "Let me rich ex-soccer players rubbishes the GAA and calls US dinosaurs (minus the expletive). Well daddy cool Duff how come the game cannot be played in Turners Cross? because it is a rusting delapitated pile. Yeah the richest sport in the World but not in Ireland. Yet some of the clubs in the sport can't pay their players wages? Why? because most of the people clamouring for the GAA to hand over its state of the art stadiums have never set foot in Turners Cross nor never will grace a league of Ireland match. The people who made Duff whatever he was (in soccer terms very average) got pennies and most of the Irish fans who followed Duff enriched him and his like. So Turners Cross is not good enough and all you want is for us to hand over the stadium toff our hat, accept your insults and be off? This guy and his like are away with the fairies.
arock (Dublin) - Posts: 3709 - 24/07/2018 13:57:37


The game can be played in Turners Cross. More people could attend and the chairty (WHICH IS THE MAIN THING HERE) would make more money. if held in PUC

Dundalk have a wage budget of over €1Million as do Cork and Rovers so your talking nonsense about Delaney been on more money than the combined salaries of the top 10 teams. (Delaney needs out btw but thats a diff matter)

If 10,000 people extra attend PUC than if it was on in Turners Cross, what difference does it make how many games they attend? It makes THE CHAIRTY MONEY

My local soccer team train on our GAA pitch reguarly and not a thing does be said about it"
I understand simple maths, I don't need an explanation. You know how much Delaney is on? because if you do will you let revenue know? But it is a lot, a lotto lotta lot of money, money I am sure Bray Wanderers wouldn't mind. They are not the first club having difficulty paying wages. The point is Turners Cross can only accommodate 7000 which is ridiculous given the size and wealth of the game worldwide. But Irish soccer fans prefer English soccer teams to Irish clubs. Again to listen to the remarks made by the likes of Duff mocking the sport as being in the dark ages when the very grounds the sport is played in are in a shocking state. Look at Richmond Park, Tolka Park, Dalymount shambolic is the word I would use.
So I have no problem with the event being played in PUC - if it is agreed, and fair play to the GAA if they do. I have no problem accommodating soccer either, no problem at all but maybe if they invested in the game rather grooming home grown talent for export, or pay their Chief exec within the means of the sport maybe just maybe they would'nt have to keep asking for a dig out.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4897 - 24/07/2018 18:42:54    2125842

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Replying To Pope_Benedict:  "I think Duff has no manners, and in that context alone, is a dreadfully poor ambassador/spokesman for his sport. I couldn't believe the comments attributed to him in today's paper. Often comes across as an entitled peevish little man. Soccer in Ireland would do well to lose this guy as a 'diplomat' for the game."
He was a great player but I'd agree with that. I remember the WC qualifiers I think against Israel where we were 2 nil up and drew. We could have snatched it at the end where a ball was going in far a last minute winner but he went to head it on the line for good measure and it inexplicably hit the back of his head and came back out. In his interview afterwards he said we need to dive more. Not a great ambassador alright.

Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 24/07/2018 20:55:50    2125891

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Replying To browncows:  "You can be rest assured that most reports issued by ministers are indeed fake news. Most GAA folk on this board would like for the pitch to be made available but would not be too happy getting lectures from individuals like Duff who obviously has nothing else to do with his spare time except to make ill-informed silly comments-was the man looking into a mirror when making such comment. Perhaps he would better occupied putting his efforts into raising funds to develop a soccer stadium somewhere."
This is not about Duff. Who cares about he mouthing off. Don't use him as a deflection or cover for terrible behaviour of the GAA. They should be above this.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2660 - 24/07/2018 23:11:57    2125951

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100% for this game been played in PUC, its the right thing to do and proper use of a fine facility that sits idle for 8,730 of the available 8760 hours in a year.

If it does go ahead in PUC , it would be nice if John Kerins and Mick McCarthy from Cork's 1990 All Ireland winning team could also be remembered. Both lost their lives at a tragically young age and if there are any active foundations dedicated to their memory, maybe a few bob there would not go amiss.

facethepuckout (Roscommon) - Posts: 214 - 24/07/2018 23:27:09    2125961

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Replying To Pope_Benedict:  "I think Duff has no manners, and in that context alone, is a dreadfully poor ambassador/spokesman for his sport. I couldn't believe the comments attributed to him in today's paper. Often comes across as an entitled peevish little man. Soccer in Ireland would do well to lose this guy as a 'diplomat' for the game."
i quite like him..remember him as one of our top players in his prime..great servant to his country..his comments were stating the obvious..the amount of people who are quite sensitive about the gaa rightly getting well deserved abuse is quite laughable..

alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 24/07/2018 23:32:22    2125966

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Replying To Canuck:  "You are playing with words. If they were given they had to take and must have applied for the grant to begin with. A grant that seems to have conditions attached to it. Either that is fact or not, I don't know only what is reported. I assume if it is fact that the condition would not be specific to soccer but general use. Again speculation on my part. Either the report that a government minister has told the GAA they are in breach of a grant condition is true or fake news."
That's the point you are speculating as you don't know what was agreed/not agreed but you can be sure that the cork county board didn't sign up to anything that was going to break the rule book.......should the GAA find a way to facilitate thus then yes they should and I think they will but it isn't as simple as what some people are saying and also you have plenty of people just itching for a chance to bitch about the GAA and are using a human tragedy to further their own agenda ............most of the people howling up and down about access to Pairc up chaoimh are missing the elephant in the room which is the pathetic state of soccor facilities on this island despite it being the richest game in the world ......two bigs issues being Irish soccer fans prefer to go to Manchester or Liverpool than follow their local club and secondly the amount of people with their heads in the trough throughout soccer at an organised level........as for Duff , empty vessels make the most noise , if he had any integrity he would be organising his ex team mates together to make up the difference to the charities from their multi million pound salaries over the years, what a gesture that would be if professional soccer players said they would make up the difference in fundraising between the attendance at Pairc uni chaoimh and turners cross then when the gaa come up to the nark ( and they will) the charity will effectively double their money ( we all know that won't happen though, hypocrites)

PaudieSull1 (Down) - Posts: 738 - 25/07/2018 09:15:38    2125993

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