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Replying To Hardtimes: "Hard to know what to make of this one without knowing the full facts but it seems to have escalated very quickly unfortunately and there doesn't seem to be any shortage of people lining up to have a go at the GAA in the media. Very disrespectful to the Millar family if they're using this as an opportunity to vent or settle scores. There is no doubt PUC should be used for this event but they cannot expect it at the drop of a hat and a bit of planning and working round the rules would be required. Concerts and other events need to go through this so some of the comparisons in this regard are disingenuous. I'd like to know what sort of approach was made and what the response was before I could give an opinion but we won't know that unless there is some calmness and clarity. If GAA flatly denied, using the rules as an excuse then shame on them. If they were non-committal but receptive but needed extra time to iron out the details then shame on the organisers for going off on one because they didn't get an immediate yes. The truth might be somewhere in the middle. Also the organising of the match looks a bit hap-hazard if they're hoping for a massive turnout. 3pm of a Tuesday will rule out a hell of a lot of people going from all sides of the sporting divide." Just saw their response now. Typical bureaucratic reply, basically pfo. Shame on them. Sought out legal advice too on rejecting the request. There is absolutely no way they would have been held to task by anyone if they bent the rules and let the event go ahead. In fact it would be a huge gesture of goodwill to the Cork sporting community. GAA- community my ££££. Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 20/07/2018 20:00:48 2124120 Link
Some of the rhetoric about foreign games and providing facilities for other sports on here is beyond belief. Do the foreign entertainers that play in Croke Park play for nothing and are non of the funds leaving Ireland? Should the people who do not support our home grown sports be able to stop their taxes going to build our stadiums ? Are their no Irish people that play soccer or rugby ? Are there no GAA players playing these other sports ? This is about respecting one of our own. Personally I can not stand soccer but respect those in our country that do. It is amazing that the blinkers worn for so long are still in use. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2660 - 20/07/2018 20:06:11 2124123 Link
as many have stated before, the gaa had no problem with them hosting american football in croke park even though it's likely that none of the people involved have ever heard of gaa but a testimonial for someone that played gaa all his childhood and raising money for charity isn't allowed? i don't get it tbh. pairc ui chaoimh isnt being used that day so i don't see the problem. NaomhNaille (Donegal) - Posts: 124 - 20/07/2018 20:10:07 2124125 Link
Perhaps ,as a goodwill gesture, the GAA should organise a former Cork hurling players team to play a former All-Ireland hurling players team for the charity? Midleton (Cork) - Posts: 643 - 20/07/2018 21:00:31 2124138 Link
Is there something stopping them from using the Aviva? surely that would get even bigger support. All the non-GAA games events hosted by the GAA in their grounds are subject to many months advance notice, planning approval etc etc etc The GAA in Croke Park are restricted to a set number of concerts a year. How do you circumvent the rules to accommodate an event no matter how deserving BTW In the Irish Examiner article on an EU ruling in July 2016 that "an EU citizen" objected to Irish tax payers money being used to give the GAA an unfair advantage over other sports. You see the people who play and love "foreign games" (whatever that means) absolutely HATE the GAA and this is just ammo for the Dunphys, Kimmages of this world who are itching to rubbish our sports and our games. They only want us when they want to use us, the Avia is a big beautiful stadium a far more appropriate place to honour an Irish soccer player playing in the home of Irish soccer. really i honestly think 90% of the population are thick. arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4896 - 20/07/2018 22:06:28 2124159 Link
Replying To Midleton: "Perhaps ,as a goodwill gesture, the GAA should organise a former Cork hurling players team to play a former All-Ireland hurling players team for the charity?" With all due respect, this is getting really silly, in cork there some young ex gaa players who passed away or others sick or with families in serious financial situation not to mention the rest of ireland. I don't here all demanding cork players as a gesture give up there free time for these. If your going to criticize someone who can not organise a training camp in sapain (mick mc carthy) Expect to be criticized when you organized a match and discover that thimgs are not right. madbull (Westmeath) - Posts: 195 - 20/07/2018 22:16:52 2124168 Link
I have no problem with the charity soccer game being played in Pairc Ui Chaoimh, Croke Park seems to revolve around the highest bidder these days anyway, but don't the soccer crowd have their own pitch? if they want a big gate then why not have it in the Aviva? they seem to be blaming the Gaa for their own inadequacies. What difference if it's played in Cork or Dublin? Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 365 - 20/07/2018 17:50:45He's from Cork. Its being arranged by people from Cork. That's good reason alone why to have it in GAA. This isnt blaming GAA for inadequacies. True, but he also played for Ireland and the Aviva is the home pitch for international soccer, it's been badly organised by the sounds of it, people trying to make the GAA look bad now, maybe whoever tried organising this should look in the mirror first for someone to blame. Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 365 - 20/07/2018 19:35:53 Disgraceful to say its being badly organised. People arent trying to make the GAA bad. The GAA have mad themselves look bad by how theyve acted. I think that the match (considering the situation) should be played in GAA pitch and especially considering that Liam played both hurling and football -Gaelic!. I do however have little time for some of the guys making a fuss, who never paid their way to get inside a GAA ground. As a general rule I would not give GAA grounds to other sports unless under special circumstances. browncows (Meath) - Posts: 1795 - 20/07/2018 19:54:59 Who are all the people supposedly making a fuss that have never been inside a GAA ground. I imagine you are a bit like the guy who protested outside Croke Park about foreign games while wearing a celtic jersey DonaldDuck (Tipperary) - Posts: 544 - 20/07/2018 23:01:44 2124175 Link
I have no problem with the charity soccer game being played in Pairc Ui Chaoimh, Croke Park seems to revolve around the highest bidder these days anyway, but don't the soccer crowd have their own pitch? if they want a big gate then why not have it in the Aviva? they seem to be blaming the Gaa for their own inadequacies. What difference if it's played in Cork or Dublin? Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 365 - 20/07/2018 17:50:45He's from Cork. Its being arranged by people from Cork. That's good reason alone why to have it in GAA. This isnt blaming GAA for inadequacies. True, but he also played for Ireland and the Aviva is the home pitch for international soccer, it's been badly organised by the sounds of it, people trying to make the GAA look bad now, maybe whoever tried organising this should look in the mirror first for someone to blame. Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 365 - 20/07/2018 19:35:53 Disgraceful to say its being badly organised. People arent trying to make the GAA bad. The GAA have mad themselves look bad by how theyve acted. I think that the match (considering the situation) should be played in GAA pitch and especially considering that Liam played both hurling and football -Gaelic!. I do however have little time for some of the guys making a fuss, who never paid their way to get inside a GAA ground. As a general rule I would not give GAA grounds to other sports unless under special circumstances. browncows (Meath) - Posts: 1795 - 20/07/2018 19:54:59 Who are all the people supposedly making a fuss that have never been inside a GAA ground. I imagine you are a bit like the guy who protested outside Croke Park about foreign games while wearing a celtic jersey DonaldDuck (Tipperary) - Posts: 544 - 20/07/2018 23:01:44 2124176 Link
Replying To NaomhNaille: "as many have stated before, the gaa had no problem with them hosting american football in croke park even though it's likely that none of the people involved have ever heard of gaa but a testimonial for someone that played gaa all his childhood and raising money for charity isn't allowed? i don't get it tbh. pairc ui chaoimh isnt being used that day so i don't see the problem." Because it against the rules of the association......can only be changed at congress ......Cork GAA have already offered the use of the corporate facilities at Pairc uni Chaoimh free of charge ........unfortunately some people are using a human tragedy to score cheap points against the GAA......lets also remember there are unfortunately gaa families up and down this country who every year loss fathers, mothers etc......this is a scourge on our whole society and shouldn't be used as a political football........many of the players who played with Liam miller are multi millionaires if they are so concerned about the loss of revenue from the game being played in turners cross and not the Pairc surely they could foot the difference, drop in the ocean to some of them...... PaudieSull1 (Down) - Posts: 738 - 20/07/2018 23:36:24 2124184 Link
Some absolutely brilliant pr by the gaa in recent weeks. Makes me ashamed to be a member of the organisation. Just as well they describe themselves as an amateur organisation because it's amateur hour at H Q at the minute. They should have been allowed to categorise it as a fundraising event. Call it a concert, because the suits have no problem with those. Seriously worried about the way the gaa is going. ballboy101 (Donegal) - Posts: 205 - 20/07/2018 23:39:42 2124185 Link
Replying To Damothedub: "Very trump like comment, I reserve having given you funding the right to come back and tell what's what , how naive do you think our association walks into anything blindly , every cent will he accounted for and every little detail such as small print will have been ironed out , have you even bothered to read the association statement, their lawyers are allready on it , they have to be that's how the association has survived, you think Leo can threaten the GAA so funny" Walked into the Newbridge thing pretty blindly didn't they? And we know how that one went for them. So you really give them far too much credit in the common sense department. The €30m in public money came with conditions attached, that's public knowledge. PUC was to be made available on a "non discriminatory and transparent basis to various users". Non discriminatory would appear to conflict with the Gaa's foreign games policy so they could be pulled up on it if it was pushed. I do think it's interesting the GAA appear to have gone running to the lawyers to try ensure they wouldn't make PUC available......... now THAT'S Trump like!! Anyone would think the natural inclination would be to try help a deserving cause but apparently not. kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 20/07/2018 23:53:55 2124189 Link
Replying To Damothedub: "Very trump like comment, I reserve having given you funding the right to come back and tell what's what , how naive do you think our association walks into anything blindly , every cent will he accounted for and every little detail such as small print will have been ironed out , have you even bothered to read the association statement, their lawyers are allready on it , they have to be that's how the association has survived, you think Leo can threaten the GAA so funny" Every cent will be accounted for & every little detail ironed out you state, obviously you are unaware that this project ran way over time & way over budget, they couldn't even commission things on time at handover, this project has been littered with errors, it's far from the image you portray. As for the lawyers pouring over the conditions put in place for receipt of the €30 Million Government funding, you would imagine that they would know the facts off verbatim, not have to have legal eagles come in to explain them, smacks of people not on top of their brief in charge of an €80 Million development. Many people are of the opinion that the legal eagles were brought in to ensure that the GAA were covering their ass & ensuring they had the usual loop hole out of responsibility. Common sense should have prevailed here as well as the condition that community based charitable events could be held at PUC. The GAA's biggest fear in accommodating other sports is the fear that their membership will go playing that sport & that reason is well founded as the GAA is haemorrhaging players at U16, U18 & Adult level due to the absolute pathetic state of the club scene & how it's run by County Boards, it is as simple as that. Go to any County Convention & you will hear & see the true venom. Unfortunately masked behind the "we would love to open our stadia & grounds but we are blocked by rule & Congress" is the fact that they hate the sight of other sports & fear an exodus of players to those sports. Nothing masks the fact that this is yet another PR disaster for the GAA. Uimhir.a.3. (Galway) - Posts: 409 - 21/07/2018 09:45:35 2124213 Link
Turners cross is the spiritual home of Cork soccer. It is the right place to play the game. If Roy Keane is so interested why does'nt he make a donation to the Liam Miller charity. That said the GAA need to look at the rule that has forbade this game at Pairc. Ui Chaoimh. galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2519 - 21/07/2018 11:21:00 2124228 Link
Replying To galwayford: "Turners cross is the spiritual home of Cork soccer. It is the right place to play the game. If Roy Keane is so interested why does'nt he make a donation to the Liam Miller charity. That said the GAA need to look at the rule that has forbade this game at Pairc. Ui Chaoimh." It's the spiritual home of Cork soccer but not the place maximise revenue for the family. Maybe the GAA could make a similar donation too. Wouldn't do any harm. kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 21/07/2018 13:28:08 2124245 Link
Replying To Breffni39: "First up, It's a very unfortunate situation and I'd love to see the game in Pairc Ui Chaoimh. But if a game isn't Irish then it's foreign, it's as simple as that. It was foreign in 1900, it was foreign in 1950 and it's foreign today. People who sneer at the term "foreign games" need to get over themselves. It's an accurate term and nothing more." Well it technically wasnt foreign in 1900 because we were part of the United Kingdom then PyatPree (Cork) - Posts: 376 - 21/07/2018 14:19:38 2124259 Link
Replying To galwayford: "Turners cross is the spiritual home of Cork soccer. It is the right place to play the game. If Roy Keane is so interested why does'nt he make a donation to the Liam Miller charity. That said the GAA need to look at the rule that has forbade this game at Pairc. Ui Chaoimh." How do you know that Roy Keane hasn't already made a donation to the Liam Miller charity? Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2474 - 21/07/2018 14:30:37 2124264 Link
Replying To kildare73: "It's the spiritual home of Cork soccer but not the place maximise revenue for the family. Maybe the GAA could make a similar donation too. Wouldn't do any harm." What are the FAI contributing or indeed Millers ex team mates, many of whom are multi millionaires......I was at Scott Browns testimonial were some of the proceeds went to Liam Millers family , so I'm far from anti soccer but a tragedy is being used by some here and elsewhere to further an agenda against the GAA.......... PaudieSull1 (Down) - Posts: 738 - 21/07/2018 14:55:25 2124270 Link
Replying To Uimhir.a.3.: "Every cent will be accounted for & every little detail ironed out you state, obviously you are unaware that this project ran way over time & way over budget, they couldn't even commission things on time at handover, this project has been littered with errors, it's far from the image you portray. As for the lawyers pouring over the conditions put in place for receipt of the €30 Million Government funding, you would imagine that they would know the facts off verbatim, not have to have legal eagles come in to explain them, smacks of people not on top of their brief in charge of an €80 Million development. Many people are of the opinion that the legal eagles were brought in to ensure that the GAA were covering their ass & ensuring they had the usual loop hole out of responsibility. Common sense should have prevailed here as well as the condition that community based charitable events could be held at PUC. The GAA's biggest fear in accommodating other sports is the fear that their membership will go playing that sport & that reason is well founded as the GAA is haemorrhaging players at U16, U18 & Adult level due to the absolute pathetic state of the club scene & how it's run by County Boards, it is as simple as that. Go to any County Convention & you will hear & see the true venom. Unfortunately masked behind the "we would love to open our stadia & grounds but we are blocked by rule & Congress" is the fact that they hate the sight of other sports & fear an exodus of players to those sports. Nothing masks the fact that this is yet another PR disaster for the GAA." Seriously why should the GAA facilitate its competitors......let them sort out their own mess, both the IRFU and FAI are multi million pound businesses but they have no money for grassroots and stadia development why cos so many people inlcluding the players have their nose in the trough......yet just cos the GAA has built first class facilities at club and county level we should just throw open the doors to these other sports who can then use the funds saved in bricks and mortar to compete with us elsewhere ......yeah brilliant business model there! The rule as it stands is to protect GAA facilities up and down the country which would be at risk of over use and being taken over indeed without this rule......the issue is that their should be more flexibility to allow management committee to make sensible decisions on occasions like this We shouldn't change our rules and open the flood gates simply to facilitate a one off event but we need to find a way for better flexibility and accommodation in special circumstances PaudieSull1 (Down) - Posts: 738 - 21/07/2018 15:01:25 2124271 Link
Replying To PaudieSull1: "What are the FAI contributing or indeed Millers ex team mates, many of whom are multi millionaires......I was at Scott Browns testimonial were some of the proceeds went to Liam Millers family , so I'm far from anti soccer but a tragedy is being used by some here and elsewhere to further an agenda against the GAA.........." I don't know what any individual is contributing and neither do you but the GAA has made up it's mind it's contributing very little. And you can't just label anyone who thinks the game should go ahead in PUC as anti GAA. It's just the right thing to do. I'll be in Newbridge tomorrow, i was in Croke Park last week and Navan before that so I'm definitely not anti GAA. I think on occasions such as this sporting organisations could work together and in 2018 this should be possible. It's a real shame. kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 21/07/2018 15:23:06 2124275 Link
Replying To kildare73: "It's the spiritual home of Cork soccer but not the place maximise revenue for the family. Maybe the GAA could make a similar donation too. Wouldn't do any harm." Folks ..if you all want to support him so much a go fund me page can be accessed all around the world 24 hours,no need to actually show up to a game.Are you saying you want something for your money ? To think how wonderful you are ,how much will you spend travelling there ? Do Liam Miller's family need the money after a career with Man utd , Celtic and Sunderland ? If they are stuck is that not the failing of the multi billion global game ? Which is run run by absolute crooks Martin o neil could give up half a year salary from the their part time jobs where they earn 1.5 milllion or so between them ...or Big John could give up some of his stipend ? Are there any of the ex professional footballers from Ireland involved at ground level here voluntarily ? What is the Bauld Andy Reid Worth ? The much over hyped that he was ..the less he played the better he got. Everton looking to spend 50 million on a fella who has scored 5 goals in premiership ....and the begging bowl is out in Cork ....professional soccer and Fifa are the Shame. Looks like an opportunity for a whinge at the GAA Facilities for Soccer in Ireland are brutal as people are taking money out of the game and most people spent it on supporting corporations, sheiks , oligarchs who owns the premiership teams who i have team of mercenaries ...a fools gold. Soccer should be looking in the mirror and the gobshites who plead allegiance to there corporations ...you might as well support Monsanto. eamonnmac (Cavan) - Posts: 59 - 21/07/2018 15:32:39 2124280 Link