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Pairc Ui Chaoimh And Liam Miller

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Replying To Ashrules:  "This is a very sad case and deserves support.

But we must acknowledge
The GAA rules which were always there are to cover a much bigger picture. It is not the purpose of the GAA to build top class facilities over a long time and give them over to groups promoting foreign games against our own sports. The rush to support IRFU spongers in THEIR world cup bid whereby they wanted our Government to fund them , Make GAA facilities available ,etc and then they keep all the revenue beggered belief.

The rule should be kept. Don't forget that when the gael was not doing so well the Soccer/Rugby /Cricket man looked down at and sneered at us. Now that the GAA is thriving and rising above them with facilities, Coaching etc . They will want to share everything.

In this case the GAA should be strong enough to make a sensible decision themselves. As always they will ignore men who did well bleeding the foreign games resources calling us a disgrace."
Foreign Games!!!

Have we been transported back to the 1950's or what?

Its a sport and beyond that its a charity event for something thats affected every family in this country at some stage.

And please lets stop the rhetoric of the GAA build these stadiums yadda yadda when sizeable amounts of taxpayers money went in to the likes of PUC. It wasnt the GAA that built it alone.

Foreign ganes being cited as a reason not to have a charity event! its 2018!

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1337 - 20/07/2018 16:24:27    2124048

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Replying To tearintom:  "Foreign Games!!!

Have we been transported back to the 1950's or what?

Its a sport and beyond that its a charity event for something thats affected every family in this country at some stage.

And please lets stop the rhetoric of the GAA build these stadiums yadda yadda when sizeable amounts of taxpayers money went in to the likes of PUC. It wasnt the GAA that built it alone.

Foreign ganes being cited as a reason not to have a charity event! its 2018!"
First up, It's a very unfortunate situation and I'd love to see the game in Pairc Ui Chaoimh.

But if a game isn't Irish then it's foreign, it's as simple as that. It was foreign in 1900, it was foreign in 1950 and it's foreign today. People who sneer at the term "foreign games" need to get over themselves. It's an accurate term and nothing more.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12120 - 20/07/2018 16:40:38    2124053

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I have no issue as stated before and honestly hope a solution is found , moreover I do have an issue with how some feel our association should be run , perhaps we should run a straw poll or set up a what's app grout and make decisions based on likes , nobody wants to down play the seriousness of the tragedy that has be fallen the Miller family , but if people feel so strongly about concerts or god knows whatever being played just do something about it , change isn't easy and often has to be fought for in dingy AGMs , through the chair etc etc I do hope it's sorted , but if it is will anyone on here do something substantial that ensures it doesn't happen again ???or move onto the next t feel good crusade

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 20/07/2018 17:10:00    2124057

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Please tell me what I am missing.
I organized at match but forgot to check if pitch was available, but because pitch is unavailable for whatever reason it is someone else fault.

madbull (Westmeath) - Posts: 195 - 20/07/2018 17:19:33    2124060

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Replying To Breffni39:  "First up, It's a very unfortunate situation and I'd love to see the game in Pairc Ui Chaoimh.

But if a game isn't Irish then it's foreign, it's as simple as that. It was foreign in 1900, it was foreign in 1950 and it's foreign today. People who sneer at the term "foreign games" need to get over themselves. It's an accurate term and nothing more."
That's great but your completely missing the point I'm making.

The argument was the reason the game shouldn't go ahead was that it's a foreign game.

I'm not sneering at the term foreign games, I see sport as sport personally but surely the fact that a game originated in another country should not be the sole reason for it not to be played in a GAA pitch? No?

The irony is one of our national games is treated as foreign in many parts of this country

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1337 - 20/07/2018 17:40:01    2124067

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This is a very sad case and deserves support.
But we must acknowledge
The GAA rules which were always there are to cover a much bigger picture. It is not the purpose of the GAA to build top class facilities over a long time and give them over to groups promoting foreign games against our own sports. The rush to support IRFU spongers in THEIR world cup bid whereby they wanted our Government to fund them , Make GAA facilities available ,etc and then they keep all the revenue beggered belief.
The rule should be kept. Don't forget that when the gael was not doing so well the Soccer/Rugby /Cricket man looked down at and sneered at us. Now that the GAA is thriving and rising above them with facilities, Coaching etc . They will want to share everything.
In this case the GAA should be strong enough to make a sensible decision themselves. As always they will ignore men who did well bleeding the foreign games resources calling us a disgrace.
Ashrules (Dublin) - Posts: 166 - 20/07/2018 12:28:02 Thats just nonsense. I would have all grounds as municipal where feasible. Look at Australia or many other countries - France for example. Grounds should be municipal and all teams play there
IRFU were not sponging off anyone for the world cup bid and for any world cup bid you need government support. They were going to keep revenue but you are describing things as if the GAA were going to get nothing for offering the use of their grounds
And rugby/soccer/cricket supporters dont look down on GAA as much as you think they do.
This is a quote from Colin O Riordan. Related to on pitch but also relevant to off field matters
"You can learn a lot from other sports. I think if you're solely focused on one sport, you'll never learn what you're capable of doing. It's just about popping questions off each other and trying to learn different things. Even the smallest thing could be a massive difference."

DonaldDuck (Tipperary) - Posts: 544 - 20/07/2018 17:46:44    2124070

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I have no problem with the charity soccer game being played in Pairc Ui Chaoimh, Croke Park seems to revolve around the highest bidder these days anyway, but don't the soccer crowd have their own pitch? if they want a big gate then why not have it in the Aviva? they seem to be blaming the Gaa for their own inadequacies. What difference if it's played in Cork or Dublin?

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2748 - 20/07/2018 17:50:45    2124073

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Replying To tearintom:  "That's great but your completely missing the point I'm making.

The argument was the reason the game shouldn't go ahead was that it's a foreign game.

I'm not sneering at the term foreign games, I see sport as sport personally but surely the fact that a game originated in another country should not be the sole reason for it not to be played in a GAA pitch? No?

The irony is one of our national games is treated as foreign in many parts of this country"
It's not ironic because it's not true.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12120 - 20/07/2018 17:57:39    2124075

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The GAA were happy to host American Football in Croke Park:

https://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/penn-state-impressed-by-irish-solution-to-divots-at-croke-park-classic-30548982.html

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 20/07/2018 19:09:48    2124095

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Hard to know what to make of this one without knowing the full facts but it seems to have escalated very quickly unfortunately and there doesn't seem to be any shortage of people lining up to have a go at the GAA in the media. Very disrespectful to the Millar family if they're using this as an opportunity to vent or settle scores.
There is no doubt PUC should be used for this event but they cannot expect it at the drop of a hat and a bit of planning and working round the rules would be required. Concerts and other events need to go through this so some of the comparisons in this regard are disingenuous.
I'd like to know what sort of approach was made and what the response was before I could give an opinion but we won't know that unless there is some calmness and clarity. If GAA flatly denied, using the rules as an excuse then shame on them. If they were non-committal but receptive but needed extra time to iron out the details then shame on the organisers for going off on one because they didn't get an immediate yes. The truth might be somewhere in the middle.
Also the organising of the match looks a bit hap-hazard if they're hoping for a massive turnout. 3pm of a Tuesday will rule out a hell of a lot of people going from all sides of the sporting divide.

Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 20/07/2018 19:12:53    2124096

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "I have no problem with the charity soccer game being played in Pairc Ui Chaoimh, Croke Park seems to revolve around the highest bidder these days anyway, but don't the soccer crowd have their own pitch? if they want a big gate then why not have it in the Aviva? they seem to be blaming the Gaa for their own inadequacies. What difference if it's played in Cork or Dublin?"
Because he is a cork man

PyatPree (Cork) - Posts: 376 - 20/07/2018 19:19:08    2124098

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Replying To PyatPree:  "Because he is a cork man"
True, but he also played for Ireland and the Aviva is the home pitch for international soccer, it's been badly organised by the sounds of it, people trying to make the GAA look bad now, maybe whoever tried organising this should look in the mirror first for someone to blame.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2748 - 20/07/2018 19:35:53    2124103

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Replying To Breffni39:  "First up, It's a very unfortunate situation and I'd love to see the game in Pairc Ui Chaoimh.

But if a game isn't Irish then it's foreign, it's as simple as that. It was foreign in 1900, it was foreign in 1950 and it's foreign today. People who sneer at the term "foreign games" need to get over themselves. It's an accurate term and nothing more."
The GAA don't seem to mind picking the bits of "foreign games" they like such as red and yellow cards and the mark. The Association is losing touch with people, and we have had a couple of examples of it already this year. It'll be interesting if the government get involved in this and remind them of the strings that come with the €30m grant that went into PUC.

kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 20/07/2018 19:39:45    2124104

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seems a very straight forward issue...discretion should be used and common sense should prevail...the gaa need a full time pr team because they are a complete mess...i dont understand why people feel the need to bring up how bad the fai are as if everybody doesnt know that already...there is 0 need for a big soccer stadium in the south as it would never be filled..cork went bust not so long ago..

alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 20/07/2018 19:43:01    2124106

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "True, but he also played for Ireland and the Aviva is the home pitch for international soccer, it's been badly organised by the sounds of it, people trying to make the GAA look bad now, maybe whoever tried organising this should look in the mirror first for someone to blame."
clearly the game should be in cork considering roy keanes involvement and liam miller being a cork man..not difficult to understand..obviously it makes the anti gaa brigade come out to take pot shots but still plenty using it to take pot shots at soccer..the gaa havent help themselves..all they had to do was use a bit of discretion and common sense..its one shambles after another..

alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 20/07/2018 19:44:33    2124108

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Replying To gotmilk:  "Backwards move from the organisation. It's time that rule was done away with. Reminds me of the club in Longford who got nailed for having the audacity to allow a soccer club in the area use their pitch for a summer camp."
So you think that the GAA should build pitches for soccer.

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 20/07/2018 19:45:56    2124109

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Replying To Ashrules:  "This is a very sad case and deserves support.

But we must acknowledge
The GAA rules which were always there are to cover a much bigger picture. It is not the purpose of the GAA to build top class facilities over a long time and give them over to groups promoting foreign games against our own sports. The rush to support IRFU spongers in THEIR world cup bid whereby they wanted our Government to fund them , Make GAA facilities available ,etc and then they keep all the revenue beggered belief.

The rule should be kept. Don't forget that when the gael was not doing so well the Soccer/Rugby /Cricket man looked down at and sneered at us. Now that the GAA is thriving and rising above them with facilities, Coaching etc . They will want to share everything.

In this case the GAA should be strong enough to make a sensible decision themselves. As always they will ignore men who did well bleeding the foreign games resources calling us a disgrace."
its a charity match..relax...if they want to use gaa grounds in other circumstances we should charge large fees for it...all that had to be done here was to apply a bit of common sense and discretion and the gaa deserve the abuse they are getting

alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 20/07/2018 19:46:29    2124111

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As every year passes, I am loosing more respect for the organization I once loved. Tbh I'm embarrassed to be in the gaa at this stage. But let us not forget just like the Newbridge fiasco, it is the fault of very well paid wealthy out of touch jobsworths who are ruining the association, not the average player manager or member. However this is a new low.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 20/07/2018 19:49:30    2124114

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Replying To kildare73:  "The GAA don't seem to mind picking the bits of "foreign games" they like such as red and yellow cards and the mark. The Association is losing touch with people, and we have had a couple of examples of it already this year. It'll be interesting if the government get involved in this and remind them of the strings that come with the €30m grant that went into PUC."
Very trump like comment, I reserve having given you funding the right to come back and tell what's what , how naive do you think our association walks into anything blindly , every cent will he accounted for and every little detail such as small print will have been ironed out , have you even bothered to read the association statement, their lawyers are allready on it , they have to be that's how the association has survived, you think Leo can threaten the GAA so funny

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 20/07/2018 19:53:03    2124115

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I think that the match (considering the situation) should be played in GAA pitch and especially considering that Liam played both hurling and football -Gaelic!. I do however have little time for some of the guys making a fuss, who never paid their way to get inside a GAA ground. As a general rule I would not give GAA grounds to other sports unless under special circumstances.

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 20/07/2018 19:54:59    2124116

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