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Pairc Ui Chaoimh And Liam Miller

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Replying To Greengrass:  "Damned if you do and damned if you don't . You just can't win with some people ."
it does seem like piggybacking in fairness...the gaa do deserve some credit for allowing common sense to prevail if if does go ahead in pauric ui chaoimh though...

alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 28/07/2018 16:17:18    2127016

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Replying To DonaldDuck:  "Granted the GAA did not cover itself in glory with initial response here but the media most of which is v anti GAA and pro rugby and soccer has really painted the organisation as the arch villian here. No mention of why all the FAI is able to offer for this game is Turners Cross and still does have its own stadium in 2018 despite all the support and sponsorship it gets.
seanie08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1229 - 28/07/2018 12:48:11
serious paranoia if you think media is pro rugby and soccer compared to GAA.
FAI actually share Lansdowne road with IRFU now in full so they do have their own stadium"
Not quite the FAI are sharing AVIVA for a set number of years then ownership reverts to IRFU. So basically they own nothing.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4896 - 28/07/2018 16:39:43    2127023

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Hope the event makes plenty of money

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 28/07/2018 17:05:23    2127026

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Hope this is the end of the matter and Millers family hopefully get what they need. And in future the FAI can go take a flying one..........

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4896 - 28/07/2018 17:58:00    2127036

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Replying To arock:  "Hope this is the end of the matter and Millers family hopefully get what they need. And in future the FAI can go take a flying one.........."
Agree totally . Didn't like the bully boy attitude from the media and ex pro's who made millions from the game telling us all how we should behave. Mutli millionaires like Bono I mean duff who made that money from a multibillion euro game .

ulsterrules (Donegal) - Posts: 259 - 28/07/2018 19:52:57    2127066

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Replying To ulsterrules:  "Agree totally . Didn't like the bully boy attitude from the media and ex pro's who made millions from the game telling us all how we should behave. Mutli millionaires like Bono I mean duff who made that money from a multibillion euro game ."
These issues are well addressed by Martin Breheny in todays Indo.

seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2142 - 28/07/2018 21:21:14    2127094

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Replying To alano12:  "it does seem like piggybacking in fairness...the gaa do deserve some credit for allowing common sense to prevail if if does go ahead in pauric ui chaoimh though..."
Yes the short answer. However ,however they got to stop shooting themselves in the foot. Come back down to earth and their base. Stop shooting from the hip. Using arcade rules and allowing the extremist who seem to be in top positions drive the agendas. On the credit side we could give a lesson to other sports bodies how to run an organization as amateurs. On the negative side the administrators with paying jobs show how to screw the people who day in day out prop up their their full time jobs. The association needs to be reigned in a.s.a,p. by the grass roots before it is too late.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2660 - 29/07/2018 04:25:42    2127153

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Replying To ulsterrules:  "Agree totally . Didn't like the bully boy attitude from the media and ex pro's who made millions from the game telling us all how we should behave. Mutli millionaires like Bono I mean duff who made that money from a multibillion euro game ."
Spot on the GAA are an easy target for the media friendly brigade ignoring the huge failures of the FAI to run its game effectively. Turners Cross is still in the same state it was in 30 years ago why is that.This rubbish won't stop until every county ground is opened up to FAI matches and our national sports are diluted more and more. People forget the enormous contribution the GAA has made to the social fabric of Irish society and instead love to knock it at every opportunity.

seanie08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1799 - 29/07/2018 09:34:39    2127176

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If Celtic some how manage to lose to Rosenberg (not an impossibility), they play Cork City. Given the amount of Celtic fans in Cork, Munster, Ireland and those willing to travel from Scotland, there is no chance that Turners Cross will cater for the demand. Liam Miller testemonial allows a soccer game to be played in Páirc Uí Chaoimh. Therefore the right thing to do is allow Cork City v Celtic to be played there too.

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 29/07/2018 11:58:38    2127213

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Replying To seanie08:  "Spot on the GAA are an easy target for the media friendly brigade ignoring the huge failures of the FAI to run its game effectively. Turners Cross is still in the same state it was in 30 years ago why is that.This rubbish won't stop until every county ground is opened up to FAI matches and our national sports are diluted more and more. People forget the enormous contribution the GAA has made to the social fabric of Irish society and instead love to knock it at every opportunity."
Nonsense. You haven't a clue what you are talking about, obviously.

Turners Cross has undergone extensive renovation in recent years and fully meets Cork City's requirements. What do think they/the FAI should do - squander scarce money on a white elephant with 40,000 capacity in every county? Look at your own county for a prime example of utterly ridiculous stadium planning. Prime example of how to waste money and end up with little of any use in terms of modern stadium.

Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1412 - 29/07/2018 14:30:22    2127259

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Spot on the GAA are an easy target for the media friendly brigade ignoring the huge failures of the FAI to run its game effectively. Turners Cross is still in the same state it was in 30 years ago why is that.This rubbish won't stop until every county ground is opened up to FAI matches and our national sports are diluted more and more. People forget the enormous contribution the GAA has made to the social fabric of Irish society and instead love to knock it at every opportunity.
seanie08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1231 - 29/07/2018 09:34:39
Matches of multiple sports being played in GAA grounds doesnt dilute the GAA. Just like anywhere else sports should be sharing resources that can be shared like stadiums etc.
Look at Australia. And the MCG.

DonaldDuck (Tipperary) - Posts: 544 - 29/07/2018 15:17:42    2127269

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If you'd see the amount of ejits we have in Donegal going about in Celtic shirts, flying the tricolour in Glasgow, pure sectarian hatred of the other side of Glasgow, yet in Ireland these same Celtic fans are anti everything Irish and run across the border to spend their dole money cause it's a few pence cheaper in there, they detest the GAA, figure that one out. they won't go and support their local league of Ireland soccer teams though.

I think the GAA came to the right decision in the end, but it's time someone put manners on the likes of Duff, he has gone down a lot in my estimation.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2749 - 29/07/2018 15:54:10    2127276

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Replying To DonaldDuck:  "Spot on the GAA are an easy target for the media friendly brigade ignoring the huge failures of the FAI to run its game effectively. Turners Cross is still in the same state it was in 30 years ago why is that.This rubbish won't stop until every county ground is opened up to FAI matches and our national sports are diluted more and more. People forget the enormous contribution the GAA has made to the social fabric of Irish society and instead love to knock it at every opportunity.
seanie08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1231 - 29/07/2018 09:34:39
Matches of multiple sports being played in GAA grounds doesnt dilute the GAA. Just like anywhere else sports should be sharing resources that can be shared like stadiums etc.
Look at Australia. And the MCG."
The problem with ground sharing in this country is that The GAA are the only association with grounds to share . There's a second aspect to this in that whatever grounds the IRFU and the FAI possess have pitches that are too small to host football or hurling . We wouldn't have ground sharing . We would have the IRFU and the FAI using the GAA's facilities .

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 29/07/2018 16:30:05    2127280

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Replying To Onion Breath:  "Nonsense. You haven't a clue what you are talking about, obviously.

Turners Cross has undergone extensive renovation in recent years and fully meets Cork City's requirements. What do think they/the FAI should do - squander scarce money on a white elephant with 40,000 capacity in every county? Look at your own county for a prime example of utterly ridiculous stadium planning. Prime example of how to waste money and end up with little of any use in terms of modern stadium."
You're the one who doesn't know what you're talking about . There are three county grounds in Monaghan . Clones is used and is used often . 'Blayney and Inniskeen are both first class grounds with capacities of around 8,000. Those grounds are well used too . All three grounds hosted Division One league games this year . Clones has hosted plenty of championship matches this year . Just like Clones Turner's Cross is a ground that is operated by a provincial authority to host games . Turner's Cross is not owned by Cork City .

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 29/07/2018 16:42:57    2127282

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Replying To Onion Breath:  "Nonsense. You haven't a clue what you are talking about, obviously.

Turners Cross has undergone extensive renovation in recent years and fully meets Cork City's requirements. What do think they/the FAI should do - squander scarce money on a white elephant with 40,000 capacity in every county? Look at your own county for a prime example of utterly ridiculous stadium planning. Prime example of how to waste money and end up with little of any use in terms of modern stadium."
Fairly happy with the use of our county grounds thanks v much. My overall point is the GAA should not be there to fill gaps left by the FAI and their neglect of domestic soccer. Where is Damian Duffs criticism of the running of the FAI ? Now that would be a brave move. GAA easy target for these guys pure and simple reads well in the papers.

seanie08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1799 - 29/07/2018 23:13:20    2127409

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The GAA should have made it a condition of the match going ahead that Duff plays the hurling match beforehand, I'd pay good money to see that but I'd say he'd only last 2 minutes.

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 30/07/2018 08:05:17    2127431

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It is interesting how some posters with full blinkers on think that an amateur organisation should share their pitches/stadium with the sport of their choice. I'm not sure what they mean by sharing as they have nothing to share, or, maybe some of their pitches could be used for a game of rounders.

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 30/07/2018 12:33:02    2127511

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Replying To browncows:  "It is interesting how some posters with full blinkers on think that an amateur organisation should share their pitches/stadium with the sport of their choice. I'm not sure what they mean by sharing as they have nothing to share, or, maybe some of their pitches could be used for a game of rounders."
That "amateur organisation" gets subsidies from the government. Without these they wouldn't have "their pitches/stadiums".

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2474 - 30/07/2018 13:04:11    2127523

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "That "amateur organisation" gets subsidies from the government. Without these they wouldn't have "their pitches/stadiums"."
They're not the only ones who get subsidies. They got a government subsidy for Páirc Ui Chaoimh . Part of the reason for that subsidy was to allow the IRFU to proceed with their bid to host the Rugby World Cup . That bid would not have taken place without The GAA providing their stadia . The GAA are well entitled to subsidies as they have a proven record when it comes to the provision of facilities.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 30/07/2018 15:00:36    2127561

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I think the era of the GAA accepting public money to build grounds around the country and then locking the gates to other sports is on it's way out. That will be in the past in the coming years. The funny thing is, most of the sports participating public play both GAA and soccer, as well as a myriad of other sports so they are dealing with a lot of the same people. After the absolutely fantastic hurling over the weekend and across the year in general, the GAA should have confidence in it's games. Gaelic games in Ireland is engrained in our DNA, i can't see that ever changing and I hope it never does. Charge other sports for the use of GAA pitches, because the GAA still puts in the majority of the funding. They should be allowed reserve the right to charge some kind of feeling rather than locking the gates. This country isn't big enough or rich enough for every sport to have it's own big stadiums around the country being empty white elephants most of the year and I can't see why sporting organisations can't combine to build really high quality grounds here and there in strategic planning to give the public good grounds to enjoy sport in. We are a small country, we should be pulling together.

kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 30/07/2018 15:15:56    2127564

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