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Pairc Ui Chaoimh And Liam Miller

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My friend died from this disease it's absolutely horrible in His 30's he had two boys under 5 and a wife heartbreaking stuff.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 19/07/2018 23:12:48    2123897

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Replying To kildare73:  "But it's too late to wait until February to change the rule in this case. Why can't there be a committee to arbitrate on requests like this one where there isn't 6 months to play around with? There's committees for all sorts of stupid stuff in the GAA, don't see why they couldn't have one for an exceptional case like this. How come Ed Sheeran was able to play in Galway's pitch if this rule is only applying to Croke Park? If Taylor Swift and Sheeran can play on a GAA pitch, i can't understand why Roy Keane can't! And i don't see why you should take the emotion out of it, it's an emotional subject for anyone touched by cancer. Call me populist if you like, but life isn't always black or white."
The problem is you can't separate the emotion from the regulations and rules. Ed Sherran and Taylor Swift are subject to planning approval any change of use in PUC requires notice, and regulatory adherence, these take time. GAA needs to change its rules to allow a committee operate the way you suggest but again that requires a congress change. And even if all that is done you still have to apply for planning approval to host the event. So any bright spark out there able to short circuit the red tape? Its sad that superb facilites like our top end grounds are under utilised (considering a few counties have problems playing in any of them them). The GAA prides itself on calling itself the heart of the community, well there is precious little heart on show and that needs to be addressed.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4896 - 20/07/2018 00:26:13    2123912

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This game should be in PUC end of story. It's simple case of decency and goodwill. No need to be debated any further

JJ1 (Kildare) - Posts: 547 - 20/07/2018 00:27:36    2123913

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Reflects very badly on the GAA and Cork. The Association seemed OK to change the rules when it came to Kildare but not this? Another PR disaster for the GAA, if we cannot embrace humanity in this case we may as well pack up and go home. Scandalous.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9702 - 20/07/2018 04:12:20    2123928

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Not 100% sure on this but are there circumstances where there can be an exception made to the rule as in the case of a "charity event".
If the event was classed as such perhaps it could be seen as a way to go around the need and wait for congress to make changes.

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 20/07/2018 08:25:07    2123932

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Not 100% sure on this but are there circumstances where there can be an exception made to the rule as in the case of a "charity event".
If the event was classed as such perhaps it could be seen as a way to go around the need and wait for congress to make changes.

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 20/07/2018 08:25:07    2123933

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it is never too late to do the right thing.i hope it happens here.the pr fallout is already lost.
there is nobody who wants this game held in turners cross.they were able to change the rule for a hurling penalty mid-season.surely the same can be done here.

i do however have to make 1 point.people regularly accuse the gaa of being ran by dinosaurs,etc.i went to our club agm a few years ago,and there was no proposal for chairman,secretary,treasurer.who got the job?yours truly was secretary (mid 40s at the time),chairman and treasurer were 2 others in their 50s,in spite of plenty of young people saying they could never do the job,they were too busy,wouldnt have time,etc,etc.in reality,they were all too lazy to do it.

the only way for young people to cause change in the gaa is to get involved,at club level,and then at county board level.unfortunately,the only people who get involved are middle-age to older people.

so dont just blame the grey heads.there are 2 sides.

Thank God for clubs and grass roots is all I can say. Let them not ruin that as well!!!

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 3616 - 19/07/2018 15:20:37 2123790
the club battle was lost long an ever ago.

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 20/07/2018 08:45:27    2123934

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Very unfortunate decision, I appreciate rules are in place but rules aren't always right and in anycase they can be relaxed given the correct circumstances. This I believe is certainly one of those circumstances and the Gaa really should have allowed this tribute to Liam Miller to go ahead.

Horrible mistake by the Gaa, will do themselves no favours here.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 20/07/2018 09:15:04    2123937

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Replying To arock:  "The problem is you can't separate the emotion from the regulations and rules. Ed Sherran and Taylor Swift are subject to planning approval any change of use in PUC requires notice, and regulatory adherence, these take time. GAA needs to change its rules to allow a committee operate the way you suggest but again that requires a congress change. And even if all that is done you still have to apply for planning approval to host the event. So any bright spark out there able to short circuit the red tape? Its sad that superb facilites like our top end grounds are under utilised (considering a few counties have problems playing in any of them them). The GAA prides itself on calling itself the heart of the community, well there is precious little heart on show and that needs to be addressed."
A very good suggestion was made on tv last night in that given Liam Miller was an ex GAA player in the past, could the GAA not offer to partner up with the organisers and co-host the event? Would that not get around the self imposed bureaucracy as the GAA would be helping honour 'one of their own'? It will be a very sad state of affairs if the GAA has tied it's own hands in red tape to that extent. As for planning approval, every politician in Cork worth his or her salt would get their heads together and get approval organised. That ironically would be the easiest part.

kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 20/07/2018 09:43:11    2123947

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I thought Cork were the Rebel county.
All the Cork Co Board had to do was approve the request to play the game - there's no way Croke Park would have pulled them up on it with the public feeling out there.

I understand why the rules are there but this is not a game that will line the pockets of the FAI. It's a charity game - sometimes the GAA would do your head in....

radiotower (Cavan) - Posts: 75 - 20/07/2018 09:49:52    2123949

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This is a clash between two worlds: the multi million euro world of professional soccer and the amateur world of the GAA. Even League of Ireland players are paid (most of the time!); GAA players are not.
Surely the likes of Man U - who can lash out €100 on Pogba - could afford to throw a few million to the Millar family; similarly, the multi-millionaire players who were effusive in their tributes to LM could donate a few bob thus avoiding any necessity for the game in Turner's Cross.

Aibrean (Kerry) - Posts: 263 - 20/07/2018 11:15:47    2123973

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This is a clash between two worlds: the multi million euro world of professional soccer and the multi million Euro "amateur" world of the GAA.

Fixed that for you.... ;-)

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 20/07/2018 11:33:22    2123980

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Serious pressure on the GAA - National Media,all over phone in radio shows in Cork but more I hear about it the more I think it is opportunism and a populist move your man Flynn. We are all well aware that there is no soccer allowed in GAA grounds.

Play a gaelic game with Cork City FC legends and Cork GAA legends. If all the outraged social media people are genuine about raising money for the Millers and there goal isn't to use the situation to watch Man Utd playing soccer in a GAA stadium they will turn up regardless off the event.

Do all these outraged people need to question if are they outraged for Liam Miller's family or just to have a cheap pop at the GAA!

dahayeser (Cork) - Posts: 337 - 20/07/2018 12:25:03    2123993

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This is a very sad case and deserves support.

But we must acknowledge
The GAA rules which were always there are to cover a much bigger picture. It is not the purpose of the GAA to build top class facilities over a long time and give them over to groups promoting foreign games against our own sports. The rush to support IRFU spongers in THEIR world cup bid whereby they wanted our Government to fund them , Make GAA facilities available ,etc and then they keep all the revenue beggered belief.

The rule should be kept. Don't forget that when the gael was not doing so well the Soccer/Rugby /Cricket man looked down at and sneered at us. Now that the GAA is thriving and rising above them with facilities, Coaching etc . They will want to share everything.

In this case the GAA should be strong enough to make a sensible decision themselves. As always they will ignore men who did well bleeding the foreign games resources calling us a disgrace.

Ashrules (Dublin) - Posts: 518 - 20/07/2018 12:28:02    2123994

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Replying To kildare73:  "But it's too late to wait until February to change the rule in this case. Why can't there be a committee to arbitrate on requests like this one where there isn't 6 months to play around with? There's committees for all sorts of stupid stuff in the GAA, don't see why they couldn't have one for an exceptional case like this. How come Ed Sheeran was able to play in Galway's pitch if this rule is only applying to Croke Park? If Taylor Swift and Sheeran can play on a GAA pitch, i can't understand why Roy Keane can't! And i don't see why you should take the emotion out of it, it's an emotional subject for anyone touched by cancer. Call me populist if you like, but life isn't always black or white."
My father died of eosphageal cancer last October , father in law of lung cancer in August , I'm more than capable and entitled to voice an opinion on here without allowing emotion rule my head , my point stands if half the passion was replicated in real life as is on social media we would live in a utopion society ,when it comes to our association you are either part of the problem or part of the solution, I've had GAA rules rammed down my throat at every opportunity on this site , until someone doesn't like the rules

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 20/07/2018 13:20:41    2124002

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Replying To dahayeser:  "Serious pressure on the GAA - National Media,all over phone in radio shows in Cork but more I hear about it the more I think it is opportunism and a populist move your man Flynn. We are all well aware that there is no soccer allowed in GAA grounds.

Play a gaelic game with Cork City FC legends and Cork GAA legends. If all the outraged social media people are genuine about raising money for the Millers and there goal isn't to use the situation to watch Man Utd playing soccer in a GAA stadium they will turn up regardless off the event.

Do all these outraged people need to question if are they outraged for Liam Miller's family or just to have a cheap pop at the GAA!"
. We are all well aware that there is no soccer allowed in GAA grounds.


I remember soccer in croke park in recent years, same with rugby !

What about the €30 million of tax payers money that went into the re-development of PUC ?

The GAA are antiquated in their views and rules. Stupid things like the band can only play irish tunes yet they allow the likes of bubbly into Croke park.

They can facilitate " foreign bands", the Pope and anyone else at short notice .

The GAA have lost touch with the grass roots and this is evident in the turn out and numbers playing the game.

They have to remember that it's a small country and people play multiple sports. They stuck a ban on playing other sports in the past and had to reverse it.

We are still in 1884 mode of thinking with too many old heads calling the shots.

StirringIt (Cavan) - Posts: 374 - 20/07/2018 13:37:53    2124016

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Replying To Damothedub:  "My father died of eosphageal cancer last October , father in law of lung cancer in August , I'm more than capable and entitled to voice an opinion on here without allowing emotion rule my head , my point stands if half the passion was replicated in real life as is on social media we would live in a utopion society ,when it comes to our association you are either part of the problem or part of the solution, I've had GAA rules rammed down my throat at every opportunity on this site , until someone doesn't like the rules"
The problem is that these rules are all over places and made by people who go to congress, don't know what they are voting on. Rules inconsistent from day to day, competition to competition, provence to provence, offence to offence, situation to situation. This year these inconsistencies hit the high water mark.
How often have we seen counties vote on a format change in the last few years not understanding the impact on themselves and then objecting to it before a ball is played. It is very sad about your family bereavements but the people who make some of these rules are morons who could not run a piss up in a brewery.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2660 - 20/07/2018 14:20:14    2124028

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Replying To Damothedub:  "My father died of eosphageal cancer last October , father in law of lung cancer in August , I'm more than capable and entitled to voice an opinion on here without allowing emotion rule my head , my point stands if half the passion was replicated in real life as is on social media we would live in a utopion society ,when it comes to our association you are either part of the problem or part of the solution, I've had GAA rules rammed down my throat at every opportunity on this site , until someone doesn't like the rules"
At no point did I say you were neither capable or entitled to voice your opinion. And so am I. It almost sounds like you are using this issue to make a point about having the rules "rammed down your throat". Maybe there are lesser issues to use to make your point. This is about a charity match that, from what I can see, the majority of people agree should be let go ahead in PUC but the GAA has managed to tie it's own hands with red tape. Again, i don't see why the emotion should be removed from the debate. Emotion moves people to hopefully strive to do the right thing and in this case the right thing is to let the match go ahead. My condolences on the loss of your father and father in law. My own father passed away from cancer some years ago too.

kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 20/07/2018 14:33:21    2124031

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A possible Irish solution would be for the Cork County Board to allow the fund raiser to go ahead in Pairc Ui Chaoimh and that some of the revenue raised could be used to pay a fine to HQ for breaching the rules of the Association.
Recall how the Longford CB were hit with a hefty fine a few Summers ago when a Summer Camp held in Pearse Park included a mini soccer blitz.
In addition the organisers could also contribute towards insurance coverage for the event.
There are probably other avenues to solve this problem as the majority of all sports fans would love to see this going ahead in Pairc Ui Chaoimh.

Curlew66 (Roscommon) - Posts: 506 - 20/07/2018 14:39:39    2124034

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Why don't the GAA offer a gesture and say for the Cork and Limerick game, for every fan that attends the match in Croke Park, the GAA will denote €2 to Liam Miller's family. That would surely raise around €100k for the family.

They're happy to send the Leinster Final to Thurles to facilitate Michael Bubble but won't turn a blind eye to help an Irish family. They should be ashamed.

Faithfull (Offaly) - Posts: 573 - 20/07/2018 16:04:10    2124045

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