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Meath vs Kildare 5th February

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Going to put my head on the line and say the loser of this one gets relegated.

11jm11 (Kildare) - Posts: 366 - 23/01/2017 23:42:23    1948282

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Agree with 11jm11 the loser is down. I fear it's us after Sunday when we got hammered by D3 team.

pauk123 (USA) - Posts: 189 - 24/01/2017 02:33:31    1948293

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D Tobin out
J mcentee out
Forde not suspended cause of separate comp rules
I'm 99 percent sure of the two boys injury status
Dislocated elbow and some form of hand injury

southmeathgael (Meath) - Posts: 891 - 24/01/2017 06:57:15    1948296

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Ahh Jesus we now talking about teams dropping out of competition if they have no chance of sa, that BTW could be every county except dub, maybe Mayo, Kerry would have to drop out until minors start coming up, so we have one game for Sam.
Dear lord.
On the game itself I will say this obc will mean nothing, tight game with Meath prevailing

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 24/01/2017 07:47:30    1948298

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Replying To nobull456:  "Thought Colm O Rourke's article in the Indo recently has some merit. He says perhaps some counties spending large sums of money on their senior team training programme need to think again . Any county who have no chance of SAM for many years fit the bill here, Hate to admit it but if no progress this year, then we withraw from Senior Championship on a temporary basis at least. That money could be used more wiselly elsewhere. I wonder is it a sin to think like that in Meath?"
Its not often I say this, but I'm speechless. In a long history of ridiculous posts on this site, that one is right up there near the top.

anfearbeag (Meath) - Posts: 1134 - 24/01/2017 08:29:34    1948300

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If we spend massive hours and cash training a Senior team year after year with no real progress then serious questions have to asked. At the end of this season would seem that time maybe. ALL options on the table. ALL emotions off the table. Objective is clear Meath back to being competitive again .Club structure and emphasis on professional coaching and whatever is needed including making the game more attractive for young players. Let them see we have moved with the times real strenght and conditioing at club level,proper care for injured players at club level etc. Being hammered year after year is it any wonder lads are walking away ? No its not a nice idea to withraw for a couple of years to rebuild the foundations rather than see us melt away. ,

nobull456 (Meath) - Posts: 1227 - 24/01/2017 09:33:20    1948317

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Replying To nobull456:  "If we spend massive hours and cash training a Senior team year after year with no real progress then serious questions have to asked. At the end of this season would seem that time maybe. ALL options on the table. ALL emotions off the table. Objective is clear Meath back to being competitive again .Club structure and emphasis on professional coaching and whatever is needed including making the game more attractive for young players. Let them see we have moved with the times real strenght and conditioing at club level,proper care for injured players at club level etc. Being hammered year after year is it any wonder lads are walking away ? No its not a nice idea to withraw for a couple of years to rebuild the foundations rather than see us melt away. ,"
We can see your point but the senior team is the focal point of GAA in the county for many and it is a consistent glue in people's GAA involvment. I wouldnt agree with all resources being plowed into the team but it must be supported as much as possible in the context of developing youth teams etc.

oldsam_newsam (Meath) - Posts: 638 - 24/01/2017 09:55:05    1948332

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Replying To nobull456:  "If we spend massive hours and cash training a Senior team year after year with no real progress then serious questions have to asked. At the end of this season would seem that time maybe. ALL options on the table. ALL emotions off the table. Objective is clear Meath back to being competitive again .Club structure and emphasis on professional coaching and whatever is needed including making the game more attractive for young players. Let them see we have moved with the times real strenght and conditioing at club level,proper care for injured players at club level etc. Being hammered year after year is it any wonder lads are walking away ? No its not a nice idea to withraw for a couple of years to rebuild the foundations rather than see us melt away. ,"
laughable to suggest we withdraw. Senior club championship down to junior needs to be demolished. Clubs need to suck it up that they are merely making up the numbers in the grades they are in now and they need to be reorganised into more competitive championships

Irish_downunder (Meath) - Posts: 631 - 24/01/2017 10:04:49    1948335

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A lot of people on here criticising mcgill from last year.i thought he was excellent at full back for most of the year.the 2 exceptions were against wicklow and cavan were both team stuck a big 6 foot 5 full forward in on him and just went root one.in fairness to mcgill any full back would have struggled in them circumstances .i would definitely have mgill starting come championship time if not full back then in the corner. Keoghan menton mcgill is probably our strongest full back line in my opinion

bobjaffacake (Meath) - Posts: 1400 - 24/01/2017 10:15:38    1948340

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We can see your point but the senior team is the focal point of GAA in the county for many and it is a consistent glue in people's GAA involvment. I wouldnt agree with all resources being plowed into the team but it must be supported as much as possible in the context of developing youth teams etc.
oldsam_newsam (Meath)

The supporters who treat the county team as the focal point are armchair supporters who shout loudest at every match and do not even know the rules- the expect a 'good' Ref to give their team every free. The focal point of GAA inside every county should be the club players and all county players are club players. The amount of time and money being pumped into county teams is destroying our GAA with an end result of something that is becoming very difficult to watch. I am delighted to see the new club body formed. Inside our own county they have re-arranged the club championships - obviously to suit themselves-not the players. You have club championship starting in May with one match, another one in June followed by July, all planned!! but needles to say if the county does well all this will change leaving club players in limbo-football wise

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 24/01/2017 10:42:15    1948350

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The best way to deal with utterly ridiculous posts is to ignore them. Some posters might remember what I said a while ago about when we first lose, it's been absolutely ridiculous since we lost to Louth. For all we know they're still training hard and don't care about the O'Byrne Cup and they would be right. I wonder if we really wanted to win would we have played another game 24 hours before Louth although different players did play.

If for example Meath and Kildare did meet in the final of the O'Byrne Cup and you asked both managers in private which would they prefer to win the O'Byrne Cup or a win in the league I'm nearly sure both managers would say 2 points in the league.

We won the O'Byrne Cup last year and look what happened, I'm 99% sure we wont be as bad as last year. I really hope we don't lose to Kildare because the forum will go into meltdown but people need to look at the bigger picture.

Barney123 (Meath) - Posts: 676 - 24/01/2017 11:02:33    1948356

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Replying To browncows:  "We can see your point but the senior team is the focal point of GAA in the county for many and it is a consistent glue in people's GAA involvment. I wouldnt agree with all resources being plowed into the team but it must be supported as much as possible in the context of developing youth teams etc.
oldsam_newsam (Meath)

The supporters who treat the county team as the focal point are armchair supporters who shout loudest at every match and do not even know the rules- the expect a 'good' Ref to give their team every free. The focal point of GAA inside every county should be the club players and all county players are club players. The amount of time and money being pumped into county teams is destroying our GAA with an end result of something that is becoming very difficult to watch. I am delighted to see the new club body formed. Inside our own county they have re-arranged the club championships - obviously to suit themselves-not the players. You have club championship starting in May with one match, another one in June followed by July, all planned!! but needles to say if the county does well all this will change leaving club players in limbo-football wise"
So are you saying that you agree with the ridiculous suggestion to drop the county team?
Many people have an involvement in GAA playing, on committees, helping @ juvenile level etc but that doesn't always continue forever for many reasons. The point i was making is that there is a consistency following the county (and club for that matter) that would be lost if the county team was abandoned for a number of years with a strong possibility of the GAA becoming (even more ) irrelevant for many in the county.

oldsam_newsam (Meath) - Posts: 638 - 24/01/2017 11:12:49    1948359

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Replying To Barney123:  "The best way to deal with utterly ridiculous posts is to ignore them. Some posters might remember what I said a while ago about when we first lose, it's been absolutely ridiculous since we lost to Louth. For all we know they're still training hard and don't care about the O'Byrne Cup and they would be right. I wonder if we really wanted to win would we have played another game 24 hours before Louth although different players did play.

If for example Meath and Kildare did meet in the final of the O'Byrne Cup and you asked both managers in private which would they prefer to win the O'Byrne Cup or a win in the league I'm nearly sure both managers would say 2 points in the league.

We won the O'Byrne Cup last year and look what happened, I'm 99% sure we wont be as bad as last year. I really hope we don't lose to Kildare because the forum will go into meltdown but people need to look at the bigger picture."
E ffectively we have dropped out of serious championship football at senior level for years now and into the immeadiate future. It may be easier if all emotions were removed to see the reality. I note from some emotive responses these people are in jobs. How about doing a lot more to help career paths for young players to keep them at home ,and stop them having to walk away.. Dublin do it ...Kerry and others do it. I would rather spend money on these issues than have lads slogging 6 nights a week. For what? Ah its great to shout up ya boya from the stands. Players and their future welfare first .Managers and administrators payment second...Senior football in Meath is dead....we just have to give it a decent burial. Then start again . On mature reflection .....i will hold fire till the end of season, and when we are not promoted as stated by some prominent posters here maybe they might see the method in the madness of this long standind supporter.

nobull456 (Meath) - Posts: 1227 - 24/01/2017 12:03:07    1948372

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Based purely on who seems to be playing well AT THE MINUTE, this is the team id go for

Hannigan

Keogan
Tobin
Curran

Downey
????? (still dont have a centre back, and no body has put their hand up)
Forde

Menton
O'Brien

O'Sullivan
Biggy
Kennelly

Lenihan
Newman(Although hasnt played much, we need him)
McMahon

TakeYourPoints6 (Meath) - Posts: 230 - 24/01/2017 12:05:09    1948373

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'So are you saying that you agree with the ridiculous suggestion to drop the county team? '
oldsam_newsam (Meath)

No where in my post did I suggest that we drop our county team, not sure how you can deduce that!! -the suggestion is indeed ridiculous. What I do think is that too much resources and time are being put into county teams all over the country resulting in an imbalance between clubs and county. County teams are now training 6 times a week, guys playing professional games do not spend that amount of time training. I support all levels of county teams as I would always have done, maybe more attention could be put into our county junior team which would be benefit our junior clubs.

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 24/01/2017 13:17:04    1948391

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What I would like to see happening, and I said a few times. Is basically just considerate of getting promoted to div 1. So just concentrate on get "Championship fit " this time of year. Aim to be peaking around now.
And take part in championship as per normally and see where go as normal. In the past 5/ 6 years we stuck in time warp effectively. Making no progress in either competition the league or the championship. So I think we need to put all our efforts into league. We would then get to mix with cream of the crop Dublin Kerry Mayo Tyrone Donegal etc. You need to playing theses teams on regular bases. That's where you learn pretty quick what players would make it or not. Also it would give a great indication what fitness level we need reach, tactics etc. realistically nobody is going to win a All-Ireland from div 2. You need to playing in Div 1 regularly for about 2 years before you can mount a challenge for a All-Ireland. And even if we got promoted. I would the same again for the first year in Div 1, see if we could get two years in a row in Div 1.

bobkarlgees (Meath) - Posts: 1263 - 24/01/2017 13:43:56    1948400

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Replying To browncows:  "'So are you saying that you agree with the ridiculous suggestion to drop the county team? '
oldsam_newsam (Meath)

No where in my post did I suggest that we drop our county team, not sure how you can deduce that!! -the suggestion is indeed ridiculous. What I do think is that too much resources and time are being put into county teams all over the country resulting in an imbalance between clubs and county. County teams are now training 6 times a week, guys playing professional games do not spend that amount of time training. I support all levels of county teams as I would always have done, maybe more attention could be put into our county junior team which would be benefit our junior clubs."
Yes, I agree there.

oldsam_newsam (Meath) - Posts: 638 - 24/01/2017 14:29:21    1948423

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Replying To bobkarlgees:  "What I would like to see happening, and I said a few times. Is basically just considerate of getting promoted to div 1. So just concentrate on get "Championship fit " this time of year. Aim to be peaking around now.
And take part in championship as per normally and see where go as normal. In the past 5/ 6 years we stuck in time warp effectively. Making no progress in either competition the league or the championship. So I think we need to put all our efforts into league. We would then get to mix with cream of the crop Dublin Kerry Mayo Tyrone Donegal etc. You need to playing theses teams on regular bases. That's where you learn pretty quick what players would make it or not. Also it would give a great indication what fitness level we need reach, tactics etc. realistically nobody is going to win a All-Ireland from div 2. You need to playing in Div 1 regularly for about 2 years before you can mount a challenge for a All-Ireland. And even if we got promoted. I would the same again for the first year in Div 1, see if we could get two years in a row in Div 1."
Totally agree, Andy is dismantling the last 5 years. It will take time to build and maybe every player needs to be reconditioned. The focus for Andy has to be division one. And every resources must be made available to him, it will take time and patience to get this right, we must be patient, untold damage must be rectified, not even God himself could do that in 2/weeks in obc . I think it will take 5 years for Meath to be even in top 5 or 4. And genuine contenders. Andy is the man to do that, this is not a progression , it's a total rebuild starting at the very bottom with players who are mentally scarred and physically well off the pace. Patience is a virtue.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 24/01/2017 15:01:19    1948440

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Good to see there are some sensible posters left on this forum. Although I would give McEntee this year to sort things out and have a good league campaign, if we don't get promoted this year I wouldn't be too worried but next year we should achieve promotion and then in the third year keep our place in Division 1.

Far too often do fans of any sport want instant success, it's just not possible.

Barney123 (Meath) - Posts: 676 - 24/01/2017 15:43:15    1948456

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It's going to take two years before we know if Andy MCEntee has made a difference . I know he is only in charge a couple of months but I was still
Very disappointed with Sunday's performance .
We still don't have a fullback McGill has never shown that he can perform in this position .
We have been very unfortunate with midfielders over the last number of years but Menton is not a midfielder .
We still have to many small players that are very skilful but dispossessed way to easy happened to often on Sunday .
What I would love to see for the league and is needed if we are to get back on track is a settled team .
Looking forward to the game against Kildare a game we must win if thinking of getting promoted .

mmc (Meath) - Posts: 267 - 24/01/2017 15:57:58    1948465

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