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Yellow card for an elbow in the face off the ball? Come on out of that,you must not have seen the incident.Reilly himself didn't complain.
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It is difficult to complain when you are sent to the sideline. If everyone who puts up an elbow get a red then there would be few games completed with 30 players on the field. You must have played some very tough football yourself judging by your comments!!

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 17/10/2016 11:36:17    1926872

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Replying To Royal_Gunner:  "The Thatch pub is in Louth but in St Mary's parish - that's fairly close! :)"
Louth pubs close to the Meath border around Drawda is the Bull, the Pheasant, the Thatch and Nano's.

OLLIE (Louth) - Posts: 12224 - 17/10/2016 11:45:10    1926883

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Replying To waynoI:  "So, from reading this post, it seems Biggy simply retaliated, should have been protected by the referee and lashed out because of provocation from the Dunderry player, Therefore Biggy's red card should be looked at, and he should play on Saturday. Am I right in thinking that Royaldunne ? Genuinely asking.."
Look as a cilles supporter I of course want the best player in county lining out for them, there is a precedent with connoly punching keegan deliberately and getting it rescinded, as a gaa man it was a red card/perhaps yellow would have been more appropriate due to the provocation, but a strike is seen as a red card, I don't think anyone would say biggy is a dirty player by any means, but there was at least 2 blacks and one red fouls on him in first 30 sec, and nothing done about any of them. Will cilles appeal? Yes, will it work? Doubtful, should it work? Probably not. That's my honest opinion

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 17/10/2016 13:22:14    1926930

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Based on video evidence has the Dunderry player anything to worry about ? Can Meathh CCC pull him in seeing as ref didn't deal with it ? Its pretty conclusive what he done.

Kepak10 (Meath) - Posts: 162 - 17/10/2016 13:37:04    1926938

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Look as a cilles supporter I of course want the best player in county lining out for them, there is a precedent with connoly punching keegan deliberately and getting it rescinded, as a gaa man it was a red card/perhaps yellow would have been more appropriate due to the provocation, but a strike is seen as a red card, I don't think anyone would say biggy is a dirty player by any means, but there was at least 2 blacks and one red fouls on him in first 30 sec, and nothing done about any of them. Will cilles appeal? Yes, will it work? Doubtful, should it work? Probably not. That's my honest opinion"
Few things from this post
1 never knew you were a Cille's man (maybe i wasn't paying proper attention) and it explains a lot of things
2 biggy is not the best player in the county and sorry to burst your bubble on this. On his day he can be but those days are getting less and less and its time it was realised.
3 biggy has been targeted/roughed up and doubled marked in the past in inter county games and he never handles it well. Its not coincidental that he never plays well v the dubs, as they double mark him. Whenever its put to biggy he never deals with it and people know that. For a player of his standard he should no better. The best way to answer those provocations is on the scoreboard not sitting on your arse collecting splinters.

brian (Meath) - Posts: 1954 - 17/10/2016 14:12:40    1926953

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Look as a cilles supporter I of course want the best player in county lining out for them, there is a precedent with connoly punching keegan deliberately and getting it rescinded, as a gaa man it was a red card/perhaps yellow would have been more appropriate due to the provocation, but a strike is seen as a red card, I don't think anyone would say biggy is a dirty player by any means, but there was at least 2 blacks and one red fouls on him in first 30 sec, and nothing done about any of them. Will cilles appeal? Yes, will it work? Doubtful, should it work? Probably not. That's my honest opinion"
So if someone provokes someone on a football field and they react by punching/elbowing etc they shouldn't get sent off? :)

That seems to be the reasoning here..

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 17/10/2016 14:20:11    1926957

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I ever thought about the Connolly "self defense" argument. I think it might be stretching it but there is precedent for getting off I suppose.

GoalsWinGames (Meath) - Posts: 303 - 17/10/2016 14:22:47    1926958

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I never thought about the Connolly "self defense" argument. I think it might be stretching it but there is precedent for getting off I suppose.

GoalsWinGames (Meath) - Posts: 303 - 17/10/2016 14:22:55    1926959

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A few thoughts on yesterday's game.

1. Young Conlon is a fabulous talent whose movement is an absolute joy to see. He's clearly a player who isn't fazed by the big occassion wither as his equalising point late on in the semi and his showing yesterday testifies. Also far more than a shooter, his workrate and link up play yesterday particularly in the first half were top class.

2. Ben Brennan played too deep for much of the match, maybe partly to do with the fact the Cilles were down to 14 men and he sacrificed himself for the side.

3. Cilles brought a sub on early in the second half and he was excellent. They need to start him the next day.

4. Paddy Kennelly was once more very impressive, following on from his semi-final display.

5. Simon Carty - I'm struggling to figure out why he's not deployed as a defender. Surely the best option to pick up Conlon or Kelly.

6. Dunderry play on the edge in terms of physicallity. Much like some of the great Meath teams. A trait Meath sides in recent times have lacked. Is this a good thing? Definitely but they need to be careful not to overstep the mark. They probably got away with a few things yesterday early on.

7. I've seen it down the years where the best player on a team gets targetted. It's happened to the likes of Geraghty, S. Bray, Flynn and GIles. FOr the most part the didn't react in a stupid manner. Reilly did yesterday and deserved a red card but in truth Dunderry would willingly have accepted one of their players getting red as long as they took Reilly with them. He'll not have slept too well last night and will be a very relieved man that it the Mattie McDonnell Cup wasn't being filled in Dunderry in the late hours of the night.

jackhackett (Meath) - Posts: 773 - 17/10/2016 14:42:44    1926966

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ziggy your ability to comprehend text is of a very poor standard. I think the consensus is that he probably deserved to walk, the issue that I, and most people have is the abandoning of the rulebook in the lead up to biggys sending off.
By the sounds of things this isn't a new tactic to dunderry and the annoyance is with the 'top official' who was in plain sight of three cardable offences committed on biggy within 30 seconds of the throw in.

shldrs2thewheel (Meath) - Posts: 200 - 17/10/2016 14:50:05    1926971

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Replying To brian:  "Few things from this post
1 never knew you were a Cille's man (maybe i wasn't paying proper attention) and it explains a lot of things
2 biggy is not the best player in the county and sorry to burst your bubble on this. On his day he can be but those days are getting less and less and its time it was realised.
3 biggy has been targeted/roughed up and doubled marked in the past in inter county games and he never handles it well. Its not coincidental that he never plays well v the dubs, as they double mark him. Whenever its put to biggy he never deals with it and people know that. For a player of his standard he should no better. The best way to answer those provocations is on the scoreboard not sitting on your arse collecting splinters."
Great post Brian, a lot of people still don't accept the points you have made though which is a problem. When was the last big game he really performed in? From what I can remember of this season he played his best football in the O'Byrne cup which isn't ideal for your "best player".

Barney123 (Meath) - Posts: 676 - 17/10/2016 15:56:30    1926999

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Replying To ziggy32001:  "So if someone provokes someone on a football field and they react by punching/elbowing etc they shouldn't get sent off? :)

That seems to be the reasoning here.."
That's actually the complete opposite of what's being said. I think everyone is agreeing that the ref had to send biggy off and he himself knows you strike a player you're gone..simple as. The fact of the matter is, is it okay that any player and not just biggy gets basically assaulted for 2 and half minutes with absolutely no protection or comment from the ref, linesmen and umpires. If everyone at that game yesterday saw what was happening the officials saw it too. I do agree that biggy and all county players do get this attention and you can understand why, but normally it is sneaky and carries on throughout the game, I've never seen anything as blatant as that yesterday. Anyway they couldn't win with an extra man for basically the whole game so I am hoping for some justice served on the scoreboard on Saturday.

meathmagic (Meath) - Posts: 7 - 17/10/2016 16:01:43    1927003

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Replying To meathmagic:  "That's actually the complete opposite of what's being said. I think everyone is agreeing that the ref had to send biggy off and he himself knows you strike a player you're gone..simple as. The fact of the matter is, is it okay that any player and not just biggy gets basically assaulted for 2 and half minutes with absolutely no protection or comment from the ref, linesmen and umpires. If everyone at that game yesterday saw what was happening the officials saw it too. I do agree that biggy and all county players do get this attention and you can understand why, but normally it is sneaky and carries on throughout the game, I've never seen anything as blatant as that yesterday. Anyway they couldn't win with an extra man for basically the whole game so I am hoping for some justice served on the scoreboard on Saturday."
Look back through the thread.

Some have said that a yellow would have been enough..

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 17/10/2016 16:39:13    1927019

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Look lads let's not turn this into a bashing biggy trend , as when he wears the county jersey we all root for him , ( he shouldn't have retaliated easier said than done ) but lets give praise to the 14 lads that battled hard for Biggys sake, also John mc Kenna , Davey Sheeran and Conor o Byrne especially Davey who had a huge impact on the game .Mc Coldrick turning the blind eye to the incident was disgraceful but as someone said earlier Dunderry would have scarficied their no 4 to walk with Biggy if truth be known . Cilles by 5 the next day with a full compliment of players , weather Biggys on field of play depends on our committees purse strings.Mattie is just on a short voyage currently untill Saturday evening when his thirst will be quenched in Morans.

cilles man (Meath) - Posts: 142 - 17/10/2016 17:06:00    1927035

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'Justice for Biggy' if he was fully focused on winning a championship for his club, he would have vented its frustration on the scoreboard, instead he let himself and his club down for stupidly reacting to the type of off the ball antics that goes on in any competitive championship in the country.
It's laughable that the 'best game of the year' as quoted by the hoganstand, has been overlooked and instead we're talking about a county man who couldn't keep the head.

Also this game was in no way dirty, despite the impression of pure dirty tactics by dunderry

Roll on next Saturday where two teams will go hammer and thongs to create ther or own bit of history.

sam1996 (Meath) - Posts: 436 - 17/10/2016 17:06:53    1927036

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Replying To brian:  "Few things from this post
1 never knew you were a Cille's man (maybe i wasn't paying proper attention) and it explains a lot of things
2 biggy is not the best player in the county and sorry to burst your bubble on this. On his day he can be but those days are getting less and less and its time it was realised.
3 biggy has been targeted/roughed up and doubled marked in the past in inter county games and he never handles it well. Its not coincidental that he never plays well v the dubs, as they double mark him. Whenever its put to biggy he never deals with it and people know that. For a player of his standard he should no better. The best way to answer those provocations is on the scoreboard not sitting on your arse collecting splinters."
Couple of points, I'm sorry that you didn't get to attend this years Leinster semi final v dubs as he was outstanding and scored 3 point from play, also a little statistic for you , 45% of Meath scores this championship came either from biggy scoring or as a result of him been fouled.
Btw I am not a born cilles man, I lived in bettystown for awhile and would have relations living there, it has been and always will be my second club after my native one on the opposite side of county.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 17/10/2016 18:05:58    1927053

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Replying To GoalsWinGames:  "I never thought about the Connolly "self defense" argument. I think it might be stretching it but there is precedent for getting off I suppose."
Just in relation to Connolly, He didn't get off on the 'self defence' angle. The only reason he got off was when he did appeal to the CCCC or whoever dealt with it, they didn't allow him mount any argument for what happened, ( the self defence), so that technically his appeal wasn't fair and that's why he finally got the reprieve, not because what he did was justified, but because the procedure was flawed.

AHP (Dublin) - Posts: 323 - 17/10/2016 18:08:55    1927056

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Replying To sam1996:  "'Justice for Biggy' if he was fully focused on winning a championship for his club, he would have vented its frustration on the scoreboard, instead he let himself and his club down for stupidly reacting to the type of off the ball antics that goes on in any competitive championship in the country.
It's laughable that the 'best game of the year' as quoted by the hoganstand, has been overlooked and instead we're talking about a county man who couldn't keep the head.

Also this game was in no way dirty, despite the impression of pure dirty tactics by dunderry

Roll on next Saturday where two teams will go hammer and thongs to create ther or own bit of history."
Couldn't keep his head? Jesus you must be some calm fella, the dirty tactics from some dunderry players was bordering on criminal.
Yes I'm looking forward to next Saturday as when cilles have 15 players no matter what dunderey dark arts are tried will not work.
Come on the blues.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 17/10/2016 18:18:45    1927059

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Couldn't keep his head? Jesus you must be some calm fella, the dirty tactics from some dunderry players was bordering on criminal.
Yes I'm looking forward to next Saturday as when cilles have 15 players no matter what dunderey dark arts are tried will not work.
Come on the blues."
In he semi-final similar tactics were employed and there was little reaction. For whatever reason on Sunday there was a reaction.

But the narrative of the game has been all about the opening 2 minutes.

It's time we get over that and enjoy talking about the remaining 58 which gave us one of the best and most exciting games seen this year in Meath.

jackhackett (Meath) - Posts: 773 - 17/10/2016 19:41:04    1927075

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royaldunne (Meath)- You obviously watch very few club matches inside the county if you though that one was dirty- it was no different than what I see almost every week end. To win important matches one of the more important attribute is discipline and its an important aspect to any good players arsenal. I still hopes he plays next day out. Thought all of the county players in the previous match were pretty poor.

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 17/10/2016 19:46:52    1927077

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