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Replying To Kepak10:  "Let's be upfront about this Biggy was silly to do what he did. For an experience player he should have known Dunderry would target him from get go. I have no problem with him getting the line for what he done.

But as someone already pointed out, within 2 mins of throw in he was fouled off the ball 3 times, 2 of which warranted cards (it's anyone's guess what colour !). Also you could see a certain Dunderry player was right in his face screaming abuse in front of the ref. Everybody could see what was going on but he got no protection from match officials. He looked for it from the linesman after foul number 3 but was ignored.

Coldrick is classed as the best ref this country has to offer but he and his team failed miserably on one of their primary chores in the first 3 minutes of this game ..........player welfare."
If Meath were playing Dublin,wouldn't we want to see us target Connolly like this for example?

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 17/10/2016 08:51:16    1926785

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An absolute disgrace the way dunderry targeted biggy. Still didn't do them any good, as they still couldn't win. Graham reacted, now maybe he shouldn't have but with such provocation who could blame him?.
2 red cards should have been given to dunderry players before biggy reacted. Been a huge admirer of coldrick but he made a haims of yesterday, still fuming, but cilles will win on Saturday, hopefully red rescinded as provocation was unbelievable.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 17/10/2016 09:46:13    1926807

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Replying To pretender:  "As a neutral i was very sorry for biggy yesterday and delighted the Cilles got a draw in the end. I have no idea what the linesmen and umpires were looking at and shame on them. It was a disgrace what was allowed to happen and it would have been a cake walk for the Cilles. I hope someone has footage to show how he was provoked as it is totally unfair on him. He should not have reacted but he is only human. Cilles will destroy them with a full team."
100% agree.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 17/10/2016 09:48:12    1926809

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Replying To ziggy32001:  "If Meath were playing Dublin,wouldn't we want to see us target Connolly like this for example?"
Ziggy by been at the match you would agree that the dunderry player should have been sent off? Would you not.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 17/10/2016 09:51:07    1926810

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Replying To ziggy32001:  "If Meath were playing Dublin,wouldn't we want to see us target Connolly like this for example?"
Thats not the point Ziggy.

The point is that surely to God Coldrick could see what was going on and why didn't he act?

In the first 30 seconds there's about two black card offences and one thats a dark yellow at best! Good refereeing nips this kind of thing in the bud. If I was a Colmcilles fan or player, I would have been absolutely livid with the referee and his team.

And if Meath were to target Connolly, I'd like to see them do it a bit more subtly...this was 20 seconds of pure madness, you'd never get away with it in croke park.

Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 1318 - 17/10/2016 09:53:55    1926813

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Biggy is playing football long enough to know the rules. Guys posting complaining about him being a county player and being targeted makes little sense. If you watch much football you will see all the better players being targeted and you have to be able to handle it and get on with the game. There are a few teams in the county who have an art at this practice. I watched both games yesterday and most of the targeting was done in the Don/Ash Skyrne match. The young Skyrne corner forward was rugby tackled off the ball numerous time without even a free being given. Now on the Biggy incident I felt sorry for him as a yellow card may have been the correct decision. The poor decision was given by a grossly over rated referee who I would think is not even among the top within the county- has a habit of getting the little decisions correct and the big ones incorrect. I have seen red cards this year for lesser offences and they all came from linesmen or umpires who most of the time appear blind to all the off-the ball stuff. Biggy is a clean player and I hope he is cleared to play the next day out

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 17/10/2016 09:59:45    1926817

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on a positive note James Conlon is a joy to watch. Think he got 4 points from play and won every ball that came his way. I hope he is not targeted next week and the linesman and umpires are watching. Dunderry just could not cope with him. If he was only 5 inches taller but without a shadow of doubt the best forward i have seen all year ( and i think he is 18)

pretender (Meath) - Posts: 358 - 17/10/2016 10:02:45    1926818

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Ziggy by been at the match you would agree that the dunderry player should have been sent off? Would you not."
Sent off? For what exactly?

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 17/10/2016 10:20:14    1926826

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Replying To ziggy32001:  "If Meath were playing Dublin,wouldn't we want to see us target Connolly like this for example?"
Ziggy....if Meath played Dublin in a Leinster Final and say Padraig Harnan clobbered Connolly with 30 secs of throw-in in front of a decent ref .....what do you think the outcome would be ? We would be down to 14 men against the best team since the golden age of Kerry. That's not what I would like.

Kepak10 (Meath) - Posts: 162 - 17/10/2016 10:21:32    1926827

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Replying To BoynesideBlue:  "All that video seems to show is the referee playing a decent advantage to allow Cilles score.
Granted Reilly was hit late but was the ref not right to allow them play on and score.
It certainly wouldn't be much use in an appeal as it shows precisely nothing of the sending off."
No the ref should have stopped play. He allow for advantage for the block in biggest run but when the Dunderry lad floors him that's not a late challenge, that an off the ball strike which the ref should have halted the game and issued a yellow/red to Dundry player. It was within scoring range so a free would have been better for chillies than advantage

Irish_downunder (Meath) - Posts: 630 - 17/10/2016 10:21:57    1926828

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Replying To browncows:  "Biggy is playing football long enough to know the rules. Guys posting complaining about him being a county player and being targeted makes little sense. If you watch much football you will see all the better players being targeted and you have to be able to handle it and get on with the game. There are a few teams in the county who have an art at this practice. I watched both games yesterday and most of the targeting was done in the Don/Ash Skyrne match. The young Skyrne corner forward was rugby tackled off the ball numerous time without even a free being given. Now on the Biggy incident I felt sorry for him as a yellow card may have been the correct decision. The poor decision was given by a grossly over rated referee who I would think is not even among the top within the county- has a habit of getting the little decisions correct and the big ones incorrect. I have seen red cards this year for lesser offences and they all came from linesmen or umpires who most of the time appear blind to all the off-the ball stuff. Biggy is a clean player and I hope he is cleared to play the next day out"
Yellow card for an elbow in the face off the ball? Come on out of that,you must not have seen the incident.Reilly himself didn't complain.

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 17/10/2016 10:22:03    1926829

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Replying To BoynesideBlue:  "All that video seems to show is the referee playing a decent advantage to allow Cilles score.
Granted Reilly was hit late but was the ref not right to allow them play on and score.
It certainly wouldn't be much use in an appeal as it shows precisely nothing of the sending off."
The ref has every right to let play carry on......but he should have dealt with the incidents once the ball went cold.

Kepak10 (Meath) - Posts: 162 - 17/10/2016 10:23:29    1926830

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Players are well aware these days that in first 10 mins of a game you can get away with pretty much anything apart from blatant striking.. most teams are aware the regs won't issue blacks or reds during this time so they use that to gain anew edge.. gamesmanship rule nr 1... Dunderry used this and begrudge them or not but it's the standard of refereeing which has caused this to happen more and more.

Irish_downunder (Meath) - Posts: 630 - 17/10/2016 10:28:34    1926834

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Replying To pretender:  "on a positive note James Conlon is a joy to watch. Think he got 4 points from play and won every ball that came his way. I hope he is not targeted next week and the linesman and umpires are watching. Dunderry just could not cope with him. If he was only 5 inches taller but without a shadow of doubt the best forward i have seen all year ( and i think he is 18)"
Agree with that. Conlon is a class act. He was a joy to watch yesterday. Was talking to a couple of Cille fans after & they had said he just turned 19.

RedMeath12 (Meath) - Posts: 117 - 17/10/2016 10:36:15    1926837

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Replying To BoynesideBlue:  "They are not the closest club to the Louth birder.
You can walk from Slanes pitch into county Louth inside five minutes."
BoynesideBlue I forgot about Slane. Sorry about that. Soccer is big out around that area. So would make Dollies the nearest Meath pub to the Louth border?

OLLIE (Louth) - Posts: 12224 - 17/10/2016 10:43:16    1926841

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Replying To royaldunne:  "An absolute disgrace the way dunderry targeted biggy. Still didn't do them any good, as they still couldn't win. Graham reacted, now maybe he shouldn't have but with such provocation who could blame him?.
2 red cards should have been given to dunderry players before biggy reacted. Been a huge admirer of coldrick but he made a haims of yesterday, still fuming, but cilles will win on Saturday, hopefully red rescinded as provocation was unbelievable."
So, from reading this post, it seems Biggy simply retaliated, should have been protected by the referee and lashed out because of provocation from the Dunderry player, Therefore Biggy's red card should be looked at, and he should play on Saturday. Am I right in thinking that Royaldunne ? Genuinely asking..

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 17/10/2016 10:49:04    1926844

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A very exciting game yesterday indeed. The highlight was the performance of James Conlon. He is a box of tricks and has a superb football brain. The point of his left was a class act. Dunderry couldn't cope with him, even when they doubled up for most of the game. The call to take Ciaran Kelly off with 5 left could have backfired but they got away with it. I have a feeling that Colmcilles will learn more from yesterdays game and win with some comfort next week.
On the Biggy Reilly incident the ref had no option but to send him off. The swing of the elbow was wild and had blatant intent. the provocation is another matter and cant be taken into account when people are talking about an appeal. I was surprised he toke the bait so easily as I assume he gets that treatment every time he goes out to play, on account of him being the best player in the county. He just lacked the composure to bide his time, I would also have thought some other Cilles players should have assured Biggy that the matter would be dealt with (if you know what I mean).
The ref should have dealt with the provocation no doubt. Looking at the video on the Cilles facebook you can see there was at least 2 blacks and possibly 1 red card incident, directly on Reilly in the first 30 seconds. Crazy stuff.

GoalsWinGames (Meath) - Posts: 303 - 17/10/2016 10:56:57    1926849

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Replying To Irish_downunder:  "Players are well aware these days that in first 10 mins of a game you can get away with pretty much anything apart from blatant striking.. most teams are aware the regs won't issue blacks or reds during this time so they use that to gain anew edge.. gamesmanship rule nr 1... Dunderry used this and begrudge them or not but it's the standard of refereeing which has caused this to happen more and more."
I thought that a couple of the Dunderry players lived on the edge against Trim also and in that game it was Alan Douglas from Trim that got sent off though that was nothing to do with any provocation.

trim1 (Meath) - Posts: 162 - 17/10/2016 11:02:53    1926856

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Replying To waynoI:  "So, from reading this post, it seems Biggy simply retaliated, should have been protected by the referee and lashed out because of provocation from the Dunderry player, Therefore Biggy's red card should be looked at, and he should play on Saturday. Am I right in thinking that Royaldunne ? Genuinely asking.."
Every man and his dog knew Biggy would be targeted. In fairness he got some doing for the two minutes he was on the pitch. The Dunderry chap should have been talked to by the ref but the elbow from Biggy is inexcusable, blatant and warranted the red card.

I don't think it will be over turned. I still can't believe he did it though, stupid and he must be so annoyed with himself as he knew the targeting was coming. Job done as far a Dunderry were concerned, take out the best player after 2 mins, couldn't have gone better really.

Conlan could be the targeted one the next day.

RedMeath12 (Meath) - Posts: 117 - 17/10/2016 11:30:07    1926867

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Replying To OLLIE:  "BoynesideBlue I forgot about Slane. Sorry about that. Soccer is big out around that area. So would make Dollies the nearest Meath pub to the Louth border?"
The Thatch pub is in Louth but in St Mary's parish - that's fairly close! :)

Royal_Gunner (Meath) - Posts: 534 - 17/10/2016 11:31:38    1926868

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