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Replying To ziggy32001: "Would you not argue that Gillespie's injury is extreme?" Yes, Gillespie is more extreme and I wouldn't expect to see him back (an awful shame too). But "lesser" injuries should we say, your more common pulls and tears seem to not just knock a lad out for a few games while recovering but for whole seasons if not more with them coming back and not reaching their previous form. Impossible to call the reason why from outside the backroom team as without a) actually having a medical report in front of you or b) knowing how hard they are pushed in training etc. For example was involved with a club a few years back where every second player had a groin injury. Physio pointed out that new management were fond of twisting and turning type drills in training that the lads hadn't been used to previously and were paying the price for stretching muscles that hadn't been stretched before! Was actually listening to Fennelly from KK on the radio there before hurling all Ireland and he pointed out that individual training plans based on past injuries and so on were in vogue and somewhat necessary considering how intense intercounty training has become. Again, how to best treat and prevent injury with lads training several nights a week is a whole other argument and could have a thread dedicated to it alone but perhaps it is something Meath need to look at and review to get the most out of what we have and longevity out of our older players! Sticking an ice pack on it and telling them to run it off is no longer enough! :D sf1956 (Meath) - Posts: 8 - 20/09/2016 12:53:31 1916874 Link
Replying To browncows: "A lot of posters here have been harping on about strength and conditioning as if it was the main ingredient for a footballer. Most injuries are coming from same and within the county setup there has been an unusual l amount of injuries. Seen the Hill playing quite a lot over the last 2 years and Gillespie is sometimes on the side line and still injured. Any player who is out of football for 2 or 3 years at that age has little or no chance of competing at county level- now there are always exceptions. I do hope he still resume his football even if it is at club level." Strength and conditioning is important and all but cannot understand the obsession with it of late myself... sf1956 (Meath) - Posts: 8 - 20/09/2016 12:55:12 1916875 Link
Individualised training programs are the way to go, no two bodies are identical and the modern game requires different body types for different roles or positions. Tricky little corner forwards are a different physical make up to towering full backs and use a different set of muscles called rapid twitch muscles to attain short fast bursts of speed and rapid directional changes useful for short bursts of attack at goal for example. Midfielders and defenders are usually larger and more powerful and use a different set of slow twitch muscles for prolonged or endurance feats. All too often you'll see the whole squad of players doing laps of the field together for hours on end, or endless sessions of short sprints collectively instead of a tailored program to suit individual needs. It's this lazy approach to the management of training that leads to injury as players train to develop one set of muscles only to exercise a completely different set in a match situation. You could have the finest sports scientists in the world advising a county team but that could all be undone when a player returns to their club and resumes training which could well be sub standard. It's all well and good the CB putting the training structures in place for the senior county squad but they should be taking a more holistic approach in ensuring that the clubs have access to these structures. Players drop in and out of county panels, it would be better for the county as a whole if we were able to guarantee that the methodology in place at county level is replicated as much as possible at club level. Wedgie (Meath) - Posts: 253 - 20/09/2016 14:01:56 1916914 Link
The day I see Meath football management at club level across the board taking a holistic approach will be a joyous day. Of course it would improve everything at every level but we are a bit off that point yet I'd say... sf1956 (Meath) - Posts: 8 - 20/09/2016 15:06:45 1916969 Link
After reading through the majority of the comments (the relevant ones to the thread anyway) and I see lads talking about Cian Ward back in?? How people aren't calling for Fiachra Ward to be in there is beyond me!!! He has pace (for a Full-Forward anyway), power (an exceptional amount of it), technique and vision... He's a bit lethargic I will say but it takes nearly 2 players to mark him in any club game he has played in for the last couple of years. Surely there's someone out there that agrees.... bowza123 (Meath) - Posts: 42 - 20/09/2016 16:01:33 1917001 Link
Replying To bowza123: "After reading through the majority of the comments (the relevant ones to the thread anyway) and I see lads talking about Cian Ward back in?? How people aren't calling for Fiachra Ward to be in there is beyond me!!! He has pace (for a Full-Forward anyway), power (an exceptional amount of it), technique and vision... He's a bit lethargic I will say but it takes nearly 2 players to mark him in any club game he has played in for the last couple of years. Surely there's someone out there that agrees...." He is as strong as a bull..but a very nice lad ? Maybe if Gerry got his hands on him over the winter months he might become less nice ! WhyTheLongFace (Meath) - Posts: 876 - 20/09/2016 16:57:08 1917024 Link
Cian Ward coming back to help Meath to an all Ireland? I can see the headlines now... bert09 (Meath) - Posts: 1792 - 20/09/2016 16:59:43 1917027 Link
Replying To ziggy32001: "Would you not argue that Gillespie's injury is extreme?" can add SOR and KOR to that, dont think Meath are any different when it comes to injuries seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2149 - 20/09/2016 20:32:20 1917124 Link
Replying To bowza123: "After reading through the majority of the comments (the relevant ones to the thread anyway) and I see lads talking about Cian Ward back in?? How people aren't calling for Fiachra Ward to be in there is beyond me!!! He has pace (for a Full-Forward anyway), power (an exceptional amount of it), technique and vision... He's a bit lethargic I will say but it takes nearly 2 players to mark him in any club game he has played in for the last couple of years. Surely there's someone out there that agrees...." I think it's his work rate that lets him down. Strong and fit are only two of the many attributes you need from an athlete at IC level. Wedgie (Meath) - Posts: 253 - 20/09/2016 22:23:21 1917209 Link
Replying To WhyTheLongFace: "He is as strong as a bull..but a very nice lad ? Maybe if Gerry got his hands on him over the winter months he might become less nice !" Yeh I think with a mentor that demands a bit more from him, that he would step up to another level. At 22, with his ability, he could become exactly what we're lookin for at IC level. bowza123 (Meath) - Posts: 42 - 21/09/2016 16:49:42 1917557 Link
Replying To Wedgie: "I think it's his work rate that lets him down. Strong and fit are only two of the many attributes you need from an athlete at IC level." My reply to ''WhyTheLongFace'' applies here too... bowza123 (Meath) - Posts: 42 - 21/09/2016 16:51:17 1917558 Link
Lads --there are enough players on the current panel that lack work rate. Is there any point in bringing in more of these types of players? Where are the peader byrnes and Seamus Kenny's? bert09 (Meath) - Posts: 1792 - 21/09/2016 17:43:52 1917595 Link
Replying To bowza123: "Yeh I think with a mentor that demands a bit more from him, that he would step up to another level. At 22, with his ability, he could become exactly what we're lookin for at IC level." If you have to coax or drag it out of him it's not worth the effort. Brian Cody doesn't have to coax anything out of his players, but that's the difference between Meath and Kilkenny, they're winners, we're participants. Wedgie (Meath) - Posts: 253 - 21/09/2016 22:46:56 1917772 Link
Replying To Wedgie: "If you have to coax or drag it out of him it's not worth the effort. Brian Cody doesn't have to coax anything out of his players, but that's the difference between Meath and Kilkenny, they're winners, we're participants." Well I don't think you would have to coax him but a young lad with that much potential would gain an awful lot with the right direction. He hasn't had the proper guidance from any of the managers in the Wolfe Tones since Tony Kearney left their club. If Tony had been allowed to stay a few more years not only would Cian Ward still have been on the Meath Panel but he would be getting the most out of Fiachra already. bowza123 (Meath) - Posts: 42 - 22/09/2016 17:27:35 1918040 Link
Replying To bowza123: "Well I don't think you would have to coax him but a young lad with that much potential would gain an awful lot with the right direction. He hasn't had the proper guidance from any of the managers in the Wolfe Tones since Tony Kearney left their club. If Tony had been allowed to stay a few more years not only would Cian Ward still have been on the Meath Panel but he would be getting the most out of Fiachra already." Agreed. No point in talking about how a player is lazy or doesn't run hard enough at club level. So many bluffers managing teams in Meath...if given the right encouragement and direction, any player can blend into a team better. The likes of F Ward and Mattimoe etc shouldn't be discarded yet for not being Paul Flynn workhorses....many talented players just need a manager and a direction to believe in and they'll go through walls for them. So many players are just going through the motion, hoping that the right manager and setup will come along so that they and their teammates can reach their potential. Andy McEntee and Gerry McEntee along with the positivity of Murtagh, we really have a fantastic setup now so lets start with a clean slate for everyone. Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 1319 - 23/09/2016 09:53:19 1918243 Link
is Ward's clubmate Thomas Reilly worth a mention too? Did seem to be showing good potential when he first came on the scene though haven't seen much of him or the Tones recently. I'm assuming Toner from Curraha is going to get a shout - has been in very good form for The Ha this year and has the physique and ability to prosper at a higher level. Mulhall having an excellent year for Bective too and will be a key man for them Sunday. Surprised he doesn't even appear to have been on a junior panel in recent years - from sources in the past obvious choices like him for such panels declare themselves unavailable. Is he worth a look - would like to think the Mc bros will be in attendance on Sunday as there are a few potentials on display. The_Ripper (Meath) - Posts: 180 - 23/09/2016 11:46:36 1918305 Link
Replying To The_Ripper: "is Ward's clubmate Thomas Reilly worth a mention too? Did seem to be showing good potential when he first came on the scene though haven't seen much of him or the Tones recently. I'm assuming Toner from Curraha is going to get a shout - has been in very good form for The Ha this year and has the physique and ability to prosper at a higher level. Mulhall having an excellent year for Bective too and will be a key man for them Sunday. Surprised he doesn't even appear to have been on a junior panel in recent years - from sources in the past obvious choices like him for such panels declare themselves unavailable. Is he worth a look - would like to think the Mc bros will be in attendance on Sunday as there are a few potentials on display." I expect Caolach Halligan of Rathkenny will be involved - one of the few I've seen with the athletic potential to respond to the right training. goosey (Meath) - Posts: 60 - 23/09/2016 14:48:41 1918420 Link
Replying To goosey: "I expect Caolach Halligan of Rathkenny will be involved - one of the few I've seen with the athletic potential to respond to the right training." Is he U21? ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 23/09/2016 15:34:27 1918456 Link
Replying To Crinigan: "Agreed. No point in talking about how a player is lazy or doesn't run hard enough at club level. So many bluffers managing teams in Meath...if given the right encouragement and direction, any player can blend into a team better. The likes of F Ward and Mattimoe etc shouldn't be discarded yet for not being Paul Flynn workhorses....many talented players just need a manager and a direction to believe in and they'll go through walls for them. So many players are just going through the motion, hoping that the right manager and setup will come along so that they and their teammates can reach their potential. Andy McEntee and Gerry McEntee along with the positivity of Murtagh, we really have a fantastic setup now so lets start with a clean slate for everyone." I'd prefer somebody who can go through those walls you mention off their initiative without having to rely on someone else to unlock their potential. There are some aspects of the game you just can't coach into someone, you've either got it or you haven't, an IC panel is not the place to be discovering your potential. Wedgie (Meath) - Posts: 253 - 23/09/2016 18:33:00 1918512 Link
Any players impress in last weekend's championship fixtures ? I saw Dunboyne?Ashbourne game. Thought Sean Curran looked impressive marking Donal Lenihan, who has been the stand out forward in the championship so far. subzero (Meath) - Posts: 69 - 26/09/2016 16:49:57 1919352 Link