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Replying To BigJoe14:  "Harry Hogan for the first Meath U20 game against Dublin was selected for the O'Byrne cup game with the Seniors against Westmeath so played that instead, and was injured for the remainder of the O'Byrne Cup and U20 competition. The U20's panel have three keepers already (Eoin Griffin, Finn Harford and Sean Brennan). Hogan was still injured for last weekends game against Tyrone so who knows what the situation is this weekend."
My point was more around the way he is in the squad without having earned the right when other lads ppl are calling for have served their time with the clubs and have shown what they can do.

juicy (Meath) - Posts: 399 - 31/01/2020 14:31:46    2263996

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Replying To UsernameInvalid:  "1 D Yorke
2 Ronan Ryan
3 C McGill
4 D Toner
5 B Conlon
6 D Keoghan
7 N Kane
8 B Menton
9 R Jones
10 M Costello
11 C O Sullivan
12 J O Connor
13 B McMahon
14 T O'Reilly
15 J Wallace

I'd give Yorke another chance, if we were to drop players for having bad half, most of this team wouldn't be playing right now.

We were very loose in the backs against Tyrone. Ronan Ryan, Toner and Clarke all need to get tighter, at one stage McGill and Keoghan were trying to cover 5 lads. We need our wing backs to be better under breaking ball. I would move Conlon to the half back line as it gives us an extra option on kickouts. Down side of him at wing back is he is very loose.

Up front, I would start O Connor purely for frees, he was the top scorer in last years club championship.
Our movement in the full forward line was pretty good last Sunday but options of runners from the half forward line was just not there. One thing I noticed missing from the 6 forwards is a lack of size, we were easily pushed off or beaten to 50/50 balls on Sunday"
D Yorke
2 Ronan Ryan
3 C McGill
4 D Toner
5 B Conlon
6 D Keoghan
7 N Kane
8 B Menton
9 R Jones
10 M Costello
11 S Walsh
12 C O Sullivan
13 B McMahon
14 T O'Reilly
15 J Wallace

Bear10 (Meath) - Posts: 463 - 31/01/2020 14:35:12    2263997

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Replying To Bear10:  "D Yorke
2 Ronan Ryan
3 C McGill
4 D Toner
5 B Conlon
6 D Keoghan
7 N Kane
8 B Menton
9 R Jones
10 M Costello
11 S Walsh
12 C O Sullivan
13 B McMahon
14 T O'Reilly
15 J Wallace"
Only 3 of that side currently on the sidelines with injury Bear.

jackhackett (Meath) - Posts: 773 - 31/01/2020 15:40:44    2264013

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Replying To BigJoe14:  "Harry Hogan for the first Meath U20 game against Dublin was selected for the O'Byrne cup game with the Seniors against Westmeath so played that instead, and was injured for the remainder of the O'Byrne Cup and U20 competition. The U20's panel have three keepers already (Eoin Griffin, Finn Harford and Sean Brennan). Hogan was still injured for last weekends game against Tyrone so who knows what the situation is this weekend."
Actually, Eoin Griffin could be a decent shout in the future to sort out the keeper problems. He takes frees for Clann na Gael, and from the few matches I've seen, his kick outs were great.

meathgaa91 (Meath) - Posts: 48 - 31/01/2020 16:06:19    2264016

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Replying To Bear10:  "D Yorke
2 Ronan Ryan
3 C McGill
4 D Toner
5 B Conlon
6 D Keoghan
7 N Kane
8 B Menton
9 R Jones
10 M Costello
11 S Walsh
12 C O Sullivan
13 B McMahon
14 T O'Reilly
15 J Wallace"
Have to have j mcentee in the team. Has played very well before against donegal. Might be worth a shot in corner backs.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 31/01/2020 18:22:36    2264041

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Have to have j mcentee in the team. Has played very well before against donegal. Might be worth a shot in corner backs."
See where you coming from but would be a great impact to bring on

Bear10 (Meath) - Posts: 463 - 31/01/2020 19:43:54    2264058

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Replying To Bear10:  "See where you coming from but would be a great impact to bring on"
True.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 31/01/2020 20:26:16    2264067

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Well not many changes in the forwards in that team sheet, with the same starting forward line as in Omagh.
The forward line last week was the weakest link and AMac should have changed it up. Reminiscint of last year where management are slow to make changes!!! Have no lessons been learned. I really think Jones for his strength and Costello should be started.
However, I agree that Yorke (if fit) should be given another chance.
Maybe AMac has some last minute changes up his sleeve but I doubt it!
This is one of the games we have some chance of winning given the past meetings so overall I'm disappointed with the approach and the lack of firepower up front but here's hoping.

Tweety (Meath) - Posts: 30 - 01/02/2020 07:31:39    2264114

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I think we will shade this one. Hopefully McGill (and menton for when he drifts out the field) can have a good day on Murphy, minimising his involvement in the game will be half the battle.

cabbage (Meath) - Posts: 162 - 01/02/2020 08:43:18    2264117

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Replying To Tweety:  "Well not many changes in the forwards in that team sheet, with the same starting forward line as in Omagh.
The forward line last week was the weakest link and AMac should have changed it up. Reminiscint of last year where management are slow to make changes!!! Have no lessons been learned. I really think Jones for his strength and Costello should be started.
However, I agree that Yorke (if fit) should be given another chance.
Maybe AMac has some last minute changes up his sleeve but I doubt it!
This is one of the games we have some chance of winning given the past meetings so overall I'm disappointed with the approach and the lack of firepower up front but here's hoping."
Out of interest who would you have in forward line ??

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 01/02/2020 10:20:13    2264131

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Dardis in for Yorke only change. Can see a few more before throw in.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 01/02/2020 10:22:13    2264132

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What a goalkeeping mess. Total mismanagement in this area.
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/goalkeeping-woes-have-royals-in-need-of-safe-pair-of-hands-38912621.html?token=1575202168

bobkarlgees (Meath) - Posts: 1263 - 01/02/2020 11:57:32    2264153

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Its unacceptable that the goalkeeping issue has not been addressed.

Injuries aside, it is a damning indictment on all County netminders to see a top scoring club full forward in goals.

Firepower up front will not give us enough return. Once an Ulster team reverts to a defensive formation the forwards will be gobbled up.

In the Division 2 final last year we demonstrated how to beat Donegal - long low ball in front of a forward to turn and point.

That will not happen tomorrow. I expect another spirited performance but a result that's well short of a win. A developing trend

Royalio11 (Meath) - Posts: 757 - 01/02/2020 12:32:25    2264158

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Replying To bobkarlgees:  "What a goalkeeping mess. Total mismanagement in this area.
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/goalkeeping-woes-have-royals-in-need-of-safe-pair-of-hands-38912621.html?token=1575202168"
I'm not sure our goalkeeping woes are all management's fault, granted we don't seem to have a clear strategy from kickouts other than the bog standard lump it up the field and try to win it, which is 50/50 at best.

But what can management do? All our keepers are either average or not willing to commit, we don't have an intercounty level keeper.

No offence intended to either Colgan or O'Rourke before him, but when those lads try to pick out their men they often miss the target and get us into deep trouble (think Mayo last year). Management can't kick the ball for them, they have to do it themselves.

Lumping the ball up field and hoping for the best is not a good tactic in this day and age (especially when you don't have brilliant natural fielders of a ball) but it's the lesser of 2 evils when you run the risk of going short and presenting the ball on a plate to opposition forwards.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 01/02/2020 13:11:11    2264171

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Replying To Royalio11:  "Its unacceptable that the goalkeeping issue has not been addressed.

Injuries aside, it is a damning indictment on all County netminders to see a top scoring club full forward in goals.

Firepower up front will not give us enough return. Once an Ulster team reverts to a defensive formation the forwards will be gobbled up.

In the Division 2 final last year we demonstrated how to beat Donegal - long low ball in front of a forward to turn and point.

That will not happen tomorrow. I expect another spirited performance but a result that's well short of a win. A developing trend"
I agree, the goalkeeping situation has devolved into a fiasco. Ive never once directly targeted the management in the 3 years until this issue has arisen in the past few weeks once again. After years of uncertainty and chopping and changing in this department, for the messing that took place in Omagh to be occuring now is simply not good enough. This is Division One football. I dont need to stress the point any further. It is a damning indictment perhaps of our readiness and preparation.

Meath should be targeting all their home games and as such, I can see Donegal once again having a game on their hands for 50/60 minutes, before their inevitable win by 5/8 points. We will be ever competitive and spirited but will get choked up around the 40 and struggle to score. We will struggle in the middle. Donegal's big game players will turn up and get them over the line. I'd be amazed and delighted if we pull off a win, but id expect and take credence from a good performance.

Young_gael (Meath) - Posts: 589 - 01/02/2020 13:45:13    2264175

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Hi lads. Travelling up. Where's the best view point? Stand? What time would I need to be in there for? Whats the terrace like?Parking easy?

TheRock2121 (Donegal) - Posts: 1143 - 01/02/2020 14:45:03    2264181

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Replying To TheRock2121:  "Hi lads. Travelling up. Where's the best view point? Stand? What time would I need to be in there for? Whats the terrace like?Parking easy?"
The Stand is in very bad condition, I prefer the terrace (although it is facing the sun so you can be a bit blinded if it's low). But to be honest either is fine.

As for parking, there is a reasonably big car park beside the ground (on the Commons road) but I'd say there'll be a big crowd tomorrow (our Hurlers are playing furst as well), so if you want to use that get down early, also it can take a while to get out of it.

I prefer to lamp the car up on the kerb along the N51 (bascially the road into Navan at the North exit off the motorway). There'll be loads of other cars there and it's only a short walk down to the pitch past the hospital and you'll get out nice and easy.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 01/02/2020 15:24:22    2264186

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Replying To Royalio11:  "Its unacceptable that the goalkeeping issue has not been addressed.

Injuries aside, it is a damning indictment on all County netminders to see a top scoring club full forward in goals.

Firepower up front will not give us enough return. Once an Ulster team reverts to a defensive formation the forwards will be gobbled up.

In the Division 2 final last year we demonstrated how to beat Donegal - long low ball in front of a forward to turn and point.

That will not happen tomorrow. I expect another spirited performance but a result that's well short of a win. A developing trend"
Barry Dardis will not be in goals tomorrow when the game starts.

jackhackett (Meath) - Posts: 773 - 01/02/2020 15:36:41    2264191

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Replying To Htaem:  "I'm not sure our goalkeeping woes are all management's fault, granted we don't seem to have a clear strategy from kickouts other than the bog standard lump it up the field and try to win it, which is 50/50 at best.

But what can management do? All our keepers are either average or not willing to commit, we don't have an intercounty level keeper.

No offence intended to either Colgan or O'Rourke before him, but when those lads try to pick out their men they often miss the target and get us into deep trouble (think Mayo last year). Management can't kick the ball for them, they have to do it themselves.

Lumping the ball up field and hoping for the best is not a good tactic in this day and age (especially when you don't have brilliant natural fielders of a ball) but it's the lesser of 2 evils when you run the risk of going short and presenting the ball on a plate to opposition forwards."
I like your general common sense approach Hteam. But I am going to disagree. Sure I get the fact some goalkeepers will not commit. Management cant do anything there. But didn't Jake Hannigan And Burlinham walk because Mc Entee brought back Gallagher or a near 40 year man. What was all that about ? Also Marcus Brennan in his mid 30's last year. Joe Sheridan brought. That was never going to work either.

My point is if Mc Entee invested in youth instead of these stop gaps keepers we might be in a better position today.
Also I get your point that players have to take responsibility of course they do. But just take the well oiled Dublin machine Cluckston gets a arm chair ride he has at least two have at two option/clear targets every kick out. With clever running players creating and creating space. All he has to do is bang the ball into space created at his leisure.
We struggle to come up with one option. I blame tactics mostly for this.
I am not Colgan greatest fan but people are quick point when misplaced a balls. But he dose a lot right too that largely goes unnoticed. Although I am sure about him in the long term.

On a side note you mentioned the Mayo game last year. I think Colgan messed up and deserved his black card and peno against him. But ref ran 60 yards to give that. Cillian o'Sullivan was pulled and dragged the whole game on and off the ball it was a joke line men and ref did nothing the whole game. Boyle cleared pulled a meath player down on the way into goal and ref never gave a black and cops out and gives a yellow. Yet hw was quiet prepared to nail Colgan. So I have sympathy for Andy with regards this. Easy target for the ref.

bobkarlgees (Meath) - Posts: 1263 - 01/02/2020 18:53:11    2264227

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Replying To TheRock2121:  "Hi lads. Travelling up. Where's the best view point? Stand? What time would I need to be in there for? Whats the terrace like?Parking easy?"
The best view is probably from the stand or the terrace, be there early enough as it will be busy. Park in omahonys car park adjacent. The stand is in poor condition , but lovely hotdogs at the rear. Enjoy and safe trip.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 01/02/2020 19:06:27    2264233

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