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There is a certain type of game where Reilly thrives, we've seen that down through the years. Open games against the likes of Wicklow and Carlow where Meath are certain to dominate possession and have the majority of the attacking play. I could see Andy's thinking in starting him against Dublin - a calm head among a young group in this team's first big day out in a Leinster final - but it didn't work, just the same way as most things we tried in the forward division didn't work. I wasn't impressed with his contributions off the bench against Carlow and Laois but if the game on Sunday is in the balance with 20 minutes to he is the man Andy will turn to. For me he is running out of chances this year but this young team needs his experience around them.

Anyway, moving on to the big game on Sunday. As the week has progressed I've become more confident of our chances. It goes without saying that our forwards can't have an off day to the same scale again and hopefully their confidence hasn't taken too much of a battering as we know they are capable of doing it. Our backs were heroic against Dublin and it is vital that they maintain those high standards.

I'd like to see Harnan (if fit) coming in to the team in the half back line. His presence should allow Keogan more opportunity to drive forward which he has been excellent at this year. The forwards needs to be freshened up - no particular preference but probably two of Dardis/Tobin/O'Reilly will come in to start with Brennan dropping out.

men_of_49 (Meath) - Posts: 1962 - 05/07/2019 10:50:52    2205797

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Classy. From a guy who thinks those that turned their back on county should be groveled to to come back. And make a classless attack on a man who has given everything to his county. Very classy of you."
Never suggested begging anyone to play, no point in going begging after alienating them in the first place. As for classless attacks, show me where i attacked the man ?? You are still regularly slating the management team of a few years ago including the great Trevor Giles, a man that can handle himself in a manner befitting county management. Good luck to all on Sunday, a win will see us in bonus territory this year. We owe Colm Nally a lot

Analyst (Meath) - Posts: 1208 - 05/07/2019 11:46:22    2205837

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Do you take the risk and play harnan if hes not 100% knowing that Ronan Ryan isn't available or do you hope we can get a win without him and have him 100% for super 8s, hes one of only a few class players on this meath team

redser123 (Meath) - Posts: 293 - 05/07/2019 14:21:23    2205916

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Replying To Analyst:  "Never suggested begging anyone to play, no point in going begging after alienating them in the first place. As for classless attacks, show me where i attacked the man ?? You are still regularly slating the management team of a few years ago including the great Trevor Giles, a man that can handle himself in a manner befitting county management. Good luck to all on Sunday, a win will see us in bonus territory this year. We owe Colm Nally a lot"
I think Graham has been ok at best ,but not outstanding from a meath point of view for the last few seasons . Would not start him on Sunday. but it is Clare we are playing ,so expect to see him introduced at some stage . I expect we should win by 8-10 points ,but it's after that that the manager will have to make the big calls . I think there are only a few senior football clubs in Clare so we should be nailed on .

noluso (Meath) - Posts: 120 - 05/07/2019 14:40:26    2205922

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Replying To noluso:  "I think Graham has been ok at best ,but not outstanding from a meath point of view for the last few seasons . Would not start him on Sunday. but it is Clare we are playing ,so expect to see him introduced at some stage . I expect we should win by 8-10 points ,but it's after that that the manager will have to make the big calls . I think there are only a few senior football clubs in Clare so we should be nailed on ."
If we were living in the 90s id agree we would win by 8 or 9 but fact is we have been very poor this championship. Don't forget offaly had us on the rails, we were muck against laois (two menton goals putting a gloss on it), and our forward play against dublin was the worst i have ever saw.

Forward play was generally woeful in early season too with our amazing backline manging to get the scores or assists helping us getting ver the line to division 1. Remember we couldn't even score penalties in the O'Byrne against Dublin!

Don't get me wrong - we have improved this year but unless we take down a division 1 team i wouldn't call this year a big success.

bert09 (Meath) - Posts: 1602 - 05/07/2019 17:17:23    2205975

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Replying To Analyst:  "Never suggested begging anyone to play, no point in going begging after alienating them in the first place. As for classless attacks, show me where i attacked the man ?? You are still regularly slating the management team of a few years ago including the great Trevor Giles, a man that can handle himself in a manner befitting county management. Good luck to all on Sunday, a win will see us in bonus territory this year. We owe Colm Nally a lot"
Show me one post where I said anything about Trevor?? One

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 16067 - 05/07/2019 17:30:11    2205979

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Shane mc entee and James mc entee are injured for this one so they are out mc govern has a great chance of starting as he has been outstanding in training also harnan will start as is deemed fit. This will mean harnan will take o the task of Brennan if he goes to half forward as he likes to do. Mc gill showed his class against dublin so he should nullify tubridy. My starting 15 would be
Colgan
Lavin
Mc gill
Gallagher
Keoghan
Harnan
Mc Coy / Ryan if fit
Menton
Flanagan
Brennan
Sullivan
Mc mahon
O reilly
Newman
Conlon
With Sean tobin daire champion Ethan Devine and Graham reilly to make impact if needed

thebigjoeshow (Meath) - Posts: 63 - 05/07/2019 23:34:14    2206075

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Show me one post where I said anything about Trevor?? One"
This one

Analyst (Meath) - Posts: 1208 - 06/07/2019 01:01:47    2206095

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The odds are stacked against us beating Clare on Sunday

1 There has being 76 provicial final losers in the backdoor and only 26 have won their next game in the qualifiers. There has being 46 losers with leinster and Connacht being the worst.
2 Leinster havent had a winner since 2009 and only 4 from 18 attempts overall. Connacht have 5 winners from 18 attempts.
3 Only 4 teams have ever lost leinster final and won their next game
kildare beat Wicklow in 2009 . Wicklow were in div 4.
4 Only kildare in 2009 , Wexford in 2008 , laois in 2005 and Dublin in 2001 have lost leinster finals and won their next qualifier game.
5 No leinster team in the qualifiers has beaten a team from.top 2 divisions after losing leinster final
6 leinster teams have 22% winning ratio after losing leinster finals , Connacht teams have 28% winning ratio after losing Connacht finals
7 last year 3 out of the 4 teams that lost their provicial finals lost their next qualifier game.
8. The year beforehand in 2017 also 3 of the 4 teams that lost their provicial final lost their next qualifier game.
9 In the last 4 years , 11 of the 16 teams that lost their provicial final lost their next game in the qualifiers.
10 In this decade also
In 2010 all 4 provicial losers lost their next game
In 2011 3 of the 4 provicisl.losers lost their next game
In 2012 3 of the 4 provicial losers lost their next game
In 2013 2 of the 4 provicial losers lost their next game
In 2014 1 of the 4 provicial losers lost their next game
In 2015 3 of the 4 provicial losers lost their next game
In 2016 2 of the 4 provicial loser lost their next game
In 2017 3 of the 4 provicial losers lost their next game
In 2018 3 of the 4 provicial losers lost their next game.

So if Meath win on Sunday it will be bucking the thrend especially for leinster teams in round 4 of the qualifiers.

The positives for Meath r in the last 3 games v Clare Meath have won comprehensivly. 2 years ago Meath beat Clare by 11 points in Ennis. last year Meath beat Clare by 14 points and this year Meath beat Clare by 5 points in Ennis.

And Meath have a brillant record v Clare. In league or championship Clare have only ever beaten Meath one time.

And it must be said Meath suffered two demoralising defeats in last 2 years in leinster v kildare in 2017 and longford in 2018 and did follow up with their best performances of the season afterwards eg Donegal 2017 and Tyrone 2018. Meath played Sligo before Donegal game , but Donegal was Meaths best performance of 2017. Along with victory over Galway.

And McEntee with Meath minors in 2012 ( 5 of starting 15 were part of that Meath team ) suffered a demoralising defeat v Dublin in leinster. And defeated a highly fancied Tyrone team in quater finals and highly fancied Mayo team in semi finals. To show how strong that Tyrone team was players from that team won under 21 All Ireland for Tyrone.

So this is McEntees 4th attempt to produce a strong performance after defeat in leinster. Three last times he was able to motivate teams to produce an old fashioned gaa backlash. Will.we see that on Sunday. Time will tell.

I was at the three game Meath beat Clare. Clare are strong in the centre with Brennan and I think O Connor and Turbridy is a class act. But I felt why Meath did so well v Clare was Clare lacked pace and Meath pace caused Clare massive problems especially Cillian Sullivan, Graham Reilly and especially Bryan McMahon whose father is from.Clare. If these players have big games it will be massive positive for Meath. It must be said Clare are proper good football team play attacking football and have a very shrewd manager who has done a great job keeping Clare in div 2. They caused kerry problems in the first half this year. And kieran Donaghy all year long for Clare to reach Super 8.

Finallly Hopefully this will be a good sign for Meath when Meath last reached last 8 through the backdoor they defeated Limerick in Portlaoise in 2009 and Galway in Portlaoise in 2007. Will it be a hat trick of Meath victories in Portlaoise in 4th round of the qualifiers on Sunday. Finger crossed it is.

Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 860 - 06/07/2019 07:31:11    2206111

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Surprised re the team selection I would have thought at least one forward line change. But maybe plan is to give those guys a chance to put things right. Great Harnan is back. Didn't realize J McEntee was injured that's a loss!

cabbage (Meath) - Posts: 137 - 06/07/2019 08:05:41    2206116

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Team announced. Might be a change or two to that. But only two changes.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 16067 - 06/07/2019 08:14:18    2206122

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Replying To bert09:  "If we were living in the 90s id agree we would win by 8 or 9 but fact is we have been very poor this championship. Don't forget offaly had us on the rails, we were muck against laois (two menton goals putting a gloss on it), and our forward play against dublin was the worst i have ever saw.

Forward play was generally woeful in early season too with our amazing backline manging to get the scores or assists helping us getting ver the line to division 1. Remember we couldn't even score penalties in the O'Byrne against Dublin!

Don't get me wrong - we have improved this year but unless we take down a division 1 team i wouldn't call this year a big success."
I agree with you totally . I cannot see improvement in this team so far ...however we are getting the softest run imaginable ...but when we came up against the dubs we were embarrassed beyond belief . When you talk to some of our old stalwarts they say we " haven't a stitch of a forward " . Too many underage games which are eating up coaching time are at the root of our forward problems ....I see kids running around cones and doing drills in our clubs ,but very little shooting catching or kicking . We are doomed by the cult of management who all think they are Sean Boylan or Alex Ferguson !

noluso (Meath) - Posts: 120 - 06/07/2019 08:21:15    2206125

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Replying To bert09:  "If we were living in the 90s id agree we would win by 8 or 9 but fact is we have been very poor this championship. Don't forget offaly had us on the rails, we were muck against laois (two menton goals putting a gloss on it), and our forward play against dublin was the worst i have ever saw.

Forward play was generally woeful in early season too with our amazing backline manging to get the scores or assists helping us getting ver the line to division 1. Remember we couldn't even score penalties in the O'Byrne against Dublin!

Don't get me wrong - we have improved this year but unless we take down a division 1 team i wouldn't call this year a big success."
I agree with you totally . I cannot see improvement in this team so far ...however we are getting the softest run imaginable ...but when we came up against the dubs we were embarrassed beyond belief . When you talk to some of our old stalwarts they say we " haven't a stitch of a forward " . Too many underage games which are eating up coaching time are at the root of our forward problems ....I see kids running around cones and doing drills in our clubs ,but very little shooting catching or kicking . We are doomed by the cult of management who all think they are Sean Boylan or Alex Ferguson !

noluso (Meath) - Posts: 120 - 06/07/2019 08:32:07    2206128

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Padraic Harnan and Gavin McCoy in for Ronan Ryan and James McEntee.

David (Meath) - Posts: 525 - 06/07/2019 08:33:16    2206129

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Replying To Analyst:  "This one"
Ah here.

cabbage (Meath) - Posts: 137 - 06/07/2019 09:08:28    2206135

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At beginning of year. 3 goals were announced
1, promotion to division one. Achieved
2, reach Leinster final. Achieved
3. Reach super 8s, 70* mins away.

It is not anyone's fault that we haven't beat a division one team and to say it won't be a successful year until we do is not looking at the full picture
First of all there is only one division one team in Leinster, Dublin, so on way to Leinster final we could not play any division one sides.
Secondly we played in division 2, so that a kinda says it all.
3, the draw meant we played a winning qualifier again not our fault.
Win on Sunday and we will have 3 division one teams to play. So relax. It's all about progress which we have definitely done this year.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 16067 - 06/07/2019 09:29:39    2206141

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I'd be very surprised if the 15 named take to the field at the start on Sunday.

men_of_49 (Meath) - Posts: 1962 - 06/07/2019 09:59:33    2206153

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Replying To men_of_49:  "I'd be very surprised if the 15 named take to the field at the start on Sunday."
I agree that team announcement tells us very little Harnan and Mc Coy will probably start ok. But the forwards I would be surprised if Brennan and Reilly start.

bobkarlgees (Meath) - Posts: 1113 - 06/07/2019 10:34:44    2206170

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Replying To cabbage:  "Surprised re the team selection I would have thought at least one forward line change. But maybe plan is to give those guys a chance to put things right. Great Harnan is back. Didn't realize J McEntee was injured that's a loss!"
I don't know why they bother releasing a team as come throwcin this is never the team. I think teams that do this all the time should be sanctioned. Dis respectful to supporters

Analyst (Meath) - Posts: 1208 - 06/07/2019 11:11:59    2206180

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Replying To bobkarlgees:  "I agree that team announcement tells us very little Harnan and Mc Coy will probably start ok. But the forwards I would be surprised if Brennan and Reilly start."
Maybe. Don't know. Perhaps it's a case of Andy saying, now is your chance to prove them wrong. Brennan had a very good league, not so good championship, and is better than what he has shown in Leinster final. Also think he was singled out by many for criticizing that could have been labeled at every forward that started and the subs that came on too. Biggie I don't think will start as he will be introduced in second half.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 16067 - 06/07/2019 11:12:47    2206181

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