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Replying To Royal.Legend:  "Very funny coming from someone that calls themselves sam1996"
Yes imagine someone calling themselves after their earliest memory...hilarious

sam1996 (Meath) - Posts: 436 - 20/02/2019 15:35:47    2166596

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Replying To sam1996:  "Yes imagine someone calling themselves after their earliest memory...hilarious"
I think the irony of your earlier post is lost on you.

Royal.Legend (Meath) - Posts: 666 - 20/02/2019 18:01:42    2166636

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Is this a thread about the upcoming game against Cork or another paean for glory days in the distant past?

bert09 (Meath) - Posts: 1792 - 20/02/2019 20:40:51    2166675

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did James Mac play for UCC tonight

seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2149 - 20/02/2019 21:30:17    2166687

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I see mcentee wasnt playing in sigerson cup. Won't be playing against cork. Thought lynch played well the last day when he got his shot.

Who replaces mcentee?

bert09 (Meath) - Posts: 1792 - 20/02/2019 21:31:51    2166688

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Replying To seadog54:  "did James Mac play for UCC tonight"
No, out for the cork game.

Who replaces him?

bert09 (Meath) - Posts: 1792 - 20/02/2019 22:05:22    2166691

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Replying To seadog54:  "did James Mac play for UCC tonight"
No ,he wasn't involved

bobjaffacake (Meath) - Posts: 1400 - 20/02/2019 22:08:36    2166692

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Replying To bert09:  "No, out for the cork game.

Who replaces him?"
It probably depends on who might come back into contention from the likes of Harnan, Flanagan and Tobin.

If Harnan is back available then he might slot in at 5.

If Tobin or Flanagan are fit again then they could come in at midfield with Shane McEntee dropping back.

Eoin Lynch did well when he came in against Armagh so he is another option. That would probably mean Keogan slipping across to 5.

Another half back on the panel is Gavin McCoy and there's not much between him and Lynch.

Niall Hickey who has been used as a wing forward in his appearances to date is usually a back or midfielder for his club so if he is back fit he might be a left field choice to replace James.

Of course the reigning player of the year while a completely different style of player is also an option.

jackhackett (Meath) - Posts: 773 - 20/02/2019 22:18:45    2166698

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A pity about James, he's flying at the minute. Flood probably deserves a shot at some point in the league after his exploits with UCC.

UsernameInvalid (Meath) - Posts: 355 - 20/02/2019 22:25:47    2166699

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Thats a big loss, he is the type of player not easily replaced. really brings game to opposition.

seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2149 - 20/02/2019 22:28:31    2166702

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Replying To bert09:  "Is this a thread about the upcoming game against Cork or another paean for glory days in the distant past?"
Thats my fault. I took the thread of in a different direction. I take full responsibility for that. I wouldnt mention the past anymore on this thread in any great detail. This is my last message on Cork match.

Last word on match. J McEntee is a massive loss. He has become our most important player. Move keoghan to wing back or Harnan or Lynch at center back. Keoghan best position is wing back. He moved there v Armagh in second half and played there v Roscommon in league last year. And on both occasions had a big impact. We need two modern attacking wing backs. All the top teams have quality wing backs. So 5 Keoghan 6 Harnan/ Lynch 7 Kane half back line wud be best .

Hopefully J McEntee is not a long term injury. Since he moved to wing back v Down last year he has played 8 games there and in about 7 of them he has been contender for man of the match. All the top teams have strong half backs. Half backs who can attack defend win breaking ball and play consistently well. This is what lee Keegan James Mcarthy Tomas O Se Jordan have done. McEntee is not at that level. But Colm Boyle or Andrew Thompson or John Small , McEntee is getting to that level. And I know this might seem like an over the top thing to say. But for me not since Martin O Connell I have seen a Meath wing back have such impact on Meath team. We have had good man marking defensive half backs in the last few years , but attacking wing back who have played consistently well , there has-been very few. I have felt half back line has been a problem area for twenty years. Not that we havent had some good half backs. But we havent really had three half backs in the same position year in year out. The last time we did was P Reynold jnr E McManus C Coyle / H Traynor between 96 to 99. The two greatest half back lines in Meath football history were K Foley L Harnan M O Connell between 86 and 91 and P Collier B Cunningham P Reynlods Snr 1966 -67. For me J McEntee Keoghan Kane as an attacking unit is as good as I have seen play for Meath in last twenty years. Only class of 86 and 91 were better overall.

We need to play these three guys in every game in those three positions for next 2 to 3 years. They will improve, the team will improve. The half back line is the most important line in modern football. So many of the best footballers play in the half backs now. Players like Keegan and Dublins Mcarthy would have been half forwards in the 90s.

The best footballers in the 60s and 70s and 80s played in full forward line. There was just three back against 3 forwards. Many of the backs were more concentrating on knocking the head of the defender then defending. Best players in full forward line then eg Sheedy Sean O Neill J Keaveny C O Rourke F McGuigan B Rock M Connor.

In the 90s you had better man markers in full back kine eg O Malley Fay Lochart Scullion M Reilly . So there was less room in the full forward line. So best players were in half forwards in 90s eg Giles Donnellan Geraghty Blaney McHugh Fallon Farrell NcNichol Ciaran McDonald. In 00s players like Declan Sullivan B McGuigan and O McConville continued that thread.

In this decade the half forward line is full of players. You have two sweepers maybe two or three forwards and two midfielders funnelling back meaning the half forward line, it is hard to create space when team is attacking. The space is in the half back line when a team is attacking. You need fast quick attacking runners in ur half back line now. Twenty years ago you needed man markers in ur your half back line. Thr odd players like Paul Curran and Sean Og de Paor attacked. But that is all change. Now all half backs must attack. Meaths half forward line in 90s of Dowd Giles Geraghty , if playing now would be a half back line . And if Dublins Mcarthy Sullivan and Mcccaffrey were playing in 90s they would be a half forward line.

Of course in every era midfielders and full backs are hugely important. And quality inside forwards were and are always hugely important. The point Im making half backs in 80s and 90s didnt pass the half line. They main job was to defend. The best player on a team in 80s and 90s was rarely a wing back. Now half back line is where attacks begin it where you break the opponents first line of defence. If u dont have quality half back line u wouldnt become a top team. We have a good one now. Thats why hopefully McEntee who has been over best half back , actually has been our best player since last April , thats why it so important he is only out for a short term. If he is long term injury we might be ok on Saturday but overall it cud really effect our season in a negative way. It wud probaly mean that Keoghan wud have move to 5 and we then need to find a quality centre back to replace the great Donal keoghan.

Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 1067 - 21/02/2019 00:17:12    2166711

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Replying To jackhackett:  "It probably depends on who might come back into contention from the likes of Harnan, Flanagan and Tobin.

If Harnan is back available then he might slot in at 5.

If Tobin or Flanagan are fit again then they could come in at midfield with Shane McEntee dropping back.

Eoin Lynch did well when he came in against Armagh so he is another option. That would probably mean Keogan slipping across to 5.

Another half back on the panel is Gavin McCoy and there's not much between him and Lynch.

Niall Hickey who has been used as a wing forward in his appearances to date is usually a back or midfielder for his club so if he is back fit he might be a left field choice to replace James.

Of course the reigning player of the year while a completely different style of player is also an option."
Yeah, its a big loss if James is out, But on the other hand we have solid options here Eoin Lynch and Gavin McCoy is two that could slot in. I was impressed we these so far this year.

bobkarlgees (Meath) - Posts: 1263 - 21/02/2019 10:02:06    2166724

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Huge loss if James is out. Our best player this year imo. Not easily replaced , but we have both mccoy and lynch who could fill the role for cork game.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 21/02/2019 10:51:16    2166742

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Huge loss if James is out. Our best player this year imo. Not easily replaced , but we have both mccoy and lynch who could fill the role for cork game."
Absolute disaster if he's out IMO. Yes we have solid options like lynch and McCoy to come in but neither of them or anyone else available to fill that roll possess the ball carrying ability of mcentee. That part of his game has been phenomenonal so far in the league and I don't have the stats of course but I'd imagine he's been the source of a hell of a lot of our attacking moves and scores we've got from him carrying the ball forward. He draws defenders in and creates space for others with those piercing runs thru the middle. Hopefully he makes it.

Aloblack (Meath) - Posts: 265 - 21/02/2019 12:10:01    2166760

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Replying To Aloblack:  "Absolute disaster if he's out IMO. Yes we have solid options like lynch and McCoy to come in but neither of them or anyone else available to fill that roll possess the ball carrying ability of mcentee. That part of his game has been phenomenonal so far in the league and I don't have the stats of course but I'd imagine he's been the source of a hell of a lot of our attacking moves and scores we've got from him carrying the ball forward. He draws defenders in and creates space for others with those piercing runs thru the middle. Hopefully he makes it."
Yep the running role is where he will be missed most. Let's hope he is back for Kildare game

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 21/02/2019 13:14:57    2166770

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Replying To Furlong1949:  "Thanks Royaldunne I appreciate it. When I go off on one of my long winded messages I always hope I make sense as I have tendency to cover 16 points in 1 paragraph. Thanks for the comments.
Regards Ollie he knows his stuff. A great louth supporter. And always fair towards Meath.

Just a short point ( which means 16 paragraphs). I think Nally has been a great appointment. The role of a coach has increased dramatically in recent years. Galvin is manager , Sherlock is coach. Eamon Fitz Maurice had Cian O Neill as coach. Donie Buckley has been coach for kerry then Mayo and back to kerry again this year. Tony McEntee has been coach to Mayo in 2016 and 2017. Lally was coach for Galway last year when they had their best year since 18 years. He was also Tyrone coach when they won Sam in 03. Harte has always being manager with lally coach in 03 and Donnelly coach in 05 and 08. And Stephen O Neill is currently coaching Tyone. Look at hurling limerick coach last year who coached limerick to Liam , he was coaching Clare when they won All Ireland in 2013. All the top teams have quality coachs.

Sean Boylan and Mick Dwyer were man managers. They werent really coachs. Boylan was man manager genius. But he did very few tactics. The same with Dwyer . Susposedly this year Andy has done allot of one to one talking with players.

Im not certain but I d say Nally has done most of coaching. Nally does seem.to be out and out coach. We have being falling between two stools in recent years with a possession and kicking game. This year we look much more direct attacking. The key now is to keep Nally. There are very few quality coachs in thr country. If u find one u need to keep him. And while coachs don't always make good managers. If Meath were to make real progress over the next few year under McEntee and Nally , Nally as a future Meath manager is a runner. It seems to me he cud one best coachs in leinster. And if Meath progress in next few years with Nally aboard Nallys reputation will sore. Look at how Donie Buckley is so highly thought of.

As I said if we get promotion and keep improving over this year and next year. It is essential to keep Nally part of the set up. Rodgers also seems to be great choice. Our kickout strategy and breaking ball has improved this year. We are far from the finished article, but we r going in the right direction and we are seen real progress and real improvement. Promotion this spring could be pivotal. For me the three most important things for Meath football this year are the seniors to gain promotion. The minors to win leinster. And the under 20s to at least reach leinster final and then hopefully go on to win leinster. The minor and under 20 leinster championship are so important . We should be winning another minor title seen our players won Gerry Reilly cup and Dublin minors were in recent months annihilated by kerry. Of course you never know with young lads. But it those seem we have strong minor team this year

And with players with leinster minor medals in their pocket , we should definately sud be contenders at under 20. As I said I know u never know with young lads. But we need a under 20 title so badly. We need to start to see provicial sucess at under 20 titles soon. To build on our minor sucess.

For the seniors. Carlow will be tricky. But it does seem to me we cud looking at Meath v laois leinster semi final. Laois are our bogey team. And our flying at the moment. Winning game after game in last 2 years and I expect to see them in div 2 next year. That cud be a massive game. But we should beat Offaly. Carlow cud be another longford but if we continue our early season form we wud be capable of beating Carlow. But whoever win v Laois and Westmeath I think that will our big game in championship. Win and we r in leinster final for the first time in 5 years and reach leinster final we r one win away from super 8. My gut feeling is we will.win promtion reach leinster final but be beaten in back door. Overall that wouldnt be a bad season. Under Super 8 format , a young up and coming team cud be destroyed by playing possibly three top division 1 teams in 1 month. look at what happened to Roscommon last year. Reaching the super 8 next year after hopefully a spring in division 1 wud be the ideal preparation for super 8. But still if we got to Super 8 and won promotion I think we wud all agree that wud be a great season and a huge improvement.

Beating Cork is so important. Cork always up their game v Meath. They never forgave for beaten them in 4 All-Ireland finals in 50 years. We were their bogey team up to 2000. But since 2000 as far as I can see we have failed to beat them. There was 2007 semi final. Two league game recently. There was at least two league games in 00s which were all.Cork wins. And even in 99 they defeated us in national league div 1 semi final when in the worst game I ever saw Cork beat Meath by 0-6 to 0-3. By the end of the year both teams were in an All Ireland semi final.

If the score is Meath 0-2 Cork 0-1 on Saturday I wouldnt really care. The result is paramount. But if Cork again are not firing on all.cyclinders then Meath should make sure to go full throttle and really hit Cork early and make sure their confidence stays low. A big Meath win could be a possibility. A Meath loss cud also happen. But if we r improving and Cork are in disarray we should really go for a comprehensive Meath win. I hope that doesnt jinx us and I wud take 1 point win. But this is what a team that whats to play in Division 1 wud do to Cork. Look at what Kerry Tyrone and Clare have done to Cork recently.

If we see something like that from Meath it would set us up for basically a promotion decider in Navan versus the old rivals kildare. Whoever wins that cud have one foot in div 1. We r improving and going in right direction. But we need to finish the league the way we started it. If we do we have a mighty chance of promotion.

Heres hoping Dublin will be Navan and we will be going to Castlebar and Tralee and Clones next spring. That would be brilliant for this young team. And for the Meath supporters. I can safely say without a doubt everyone here would agree with this. Meath football is sick to the teeth of division 2 football. 1 year in divsion 1 you wud learn more about ur team and ur players wud learn more in 1 year in.divsion one then ten years in division 2. Hopefully the 13 year long wait since we were promoted to div 1 and 21 year long wait since we played in 8 team division 1 is nearly at an end. Meath Division 2 champions 2019. I would celebrate that. We all.wud. Heres hoping it will become reality. It is 20 years since we won a national title. The year 9 is always good one for Meath. All Ireland champions in 1949 and 99. And our last All Ireland semi final was in 2009. Hopefully 2019 will be another great year for Meath football with the number ending with 9."
Well said should have been done years ago hopefully it's a long term project now.

Reco (Meath) - Posts: 419 - 21/02/2019 13:23:49    2166775

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I see there was a Micheal Flood playing for UCC last night. Has he ever played underage or Junior for Meath. Anybody know anything about him. I have to admit I know 0 about him. He must be decent enough to start for a Sigerson winner though

LeitrimRoyal99 (Meath) - Posts: 1462 - 21/02/2019 15:38:11    2166799

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Played on the juniors the last couple of years I am nearly sure. Good player

sam1996 (Meath) - Posts: 436 - 21/02/2019 16:19:35    2166806

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Huge loss if James is out. Our best player this year imo. Not easily replaced , but we have both mccoy and lynch who could fill the role for cork game."
He is a very good player but our best player is the centre back and the guy who against Armagh carried the ball into easy scoring range before being fouled for the two frees that changed the game in the second half, when is was beginning to slip away.

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 21/02/2019 19:35:12    2166831

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Replying To browncows:  "He is a very good player but our best player is the centre back and the guy who against Armagh carried the ball into easy scoring range before being fouled for the two frees that changed the game in the second half, when is was beginning to slip away."
Great player to no doubt, but mcentee has been more influential this year imo.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 21/02/2019 20:26:15    2166839

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