Posters Crossing The Line - 18 Like(s)
The post you refer to was not a personal slight on a player.
The post was so obviously satirical. The David Clifford of the post bears next to no resemblance to the real David Clifford. The David Clifford of the post is a caricature and not even one of the real David Clifford.
There was nothing specifically targeted at Clifford in that post at all. The character could have been named after any Kerry player and still have worked exactly the same.
The target of the satire was categorically not David Clifford, the target of the satire was the Kerry posters who claim to be unable to compete with Dublin financially. The post was highlighting that Kerry players are hardly badly off themselves.
I mean my god. I'm far from being an anti pc zealot and believe in respect for all, but we have to be able to allow for good natured humour also. There was just nothing unsavory about that post whatsoever.
Whammo86 (National) - 05/06/2019 05:41:02
What Makes A Great Footballer - 18 Like(s)
Honestly this is just such complete rubbish.
Did you see Jack McCaffrey, Sean O'Shea, David Moran or Brian Howard in the first game?
Then there was Murchan, Fenton and Mannion in the replay.
Players take on their man all the time.
These players are pure class.
Murchan is a corner back who roasted a midfielder and slotted the ball into bottom corner with the outside of his foot after a 50 yard run.
Paddy Durcan, Con O'Callaghan, Peter Harte, Cathal McShane, Michael Murphy, Paddy McBrearty, Conor McManus, Eoin McHugh.
I actually pity people who can't appreciate these guys. I don't know what game you're watching if you can't see the skills on show.
They're proper ballers these lads and they're testing each other more than players ever did back in the day.
The decision making is at a level that wasn't even a consideration 20 years ago.
Whammo86 (National) - 27/09/2019 22:05:04
Analyst Claims Dubs 'Actually Being Underfunded' - 15 Like(s)
That's just not true.
I just believe that people aren't being sensible at all on this topic.
There's an idea out there that the GAA only care about Dublin GAA.
It's simply not true.
This a the development report for 2015 explaining all the work the GAA is doing all over the country.
All I'm saying is that I don't feel Dublin should be defunded with money redistributed to weaker counties.
Dublin needs coaches to deal with the sheer number of kids living in the country.
It's also not true that Dublin kids aren't playing the games.
The Blue Wave 2010-2017 proposal describes the numbers playing Go Games in 2010.
Out of of a total population of 38k for the 2 year Go Games age group in 2010 there were over 7k playing football and almost 5k playing hurling.
It's hard to know how many played both but those figures show that in 2010, before the start of Blue Wave, there was between 20-30% take up of our games by the children of Dublin.
That's boys and girls, includes all the kids with no interest in sport. 20-30% take up. It will only have grown since then.
To say that Dublin isn't getting kids participating is a myth.
Whammo86 (National) - 28/07/2019 21:48:09
Dublin's Success Not Down To Money - GAA President - 15 Like(s)
I just don't agree with that last part.
The GDF just isn't that inequitable.
Dublin also came up with the model and it's now being rolled out to Meath, Kildare, Wicklow, Louth and Belfast.
I just don't see how the current 1.23m of a total budget of 11m being spent on Dublin as all that out of step.
So outside of that Dublin money there's 3.5m spent development personnel, 1.5m spent on county projects.
There's then 2.3m being spent on hurling development.
18m overall spend on Dublin isn't actually that much also.
It's always referenced v say 1.2m as being distributed to the next county. That's not a fair comparison as I've tried to point out a number of times.
It's 18m of somewhere in the region of 120m total spend on development in the same time period.
It's 1/5 of the price of Páirc Ui Chaoimh. It's the going rate of about 4 centres of development. It's money efficiently spent and benefiting 10 of thousands of kids each year.
It's clearly getting more people playing Gaelic games in Dublin.
Imagine if say the FA implemented a games development initiative in London that was so successful and got the numbers playing soccer greatly increased. There would not be calls of it being a disgrace. There'd be no calls to defund it.
It's just because of the nature of the GAA's county system that the top teams are decided by geographic borders that this becomes an issue.
The GAA's remit is to promote the games. I think providing a proper coaching infrastructure in the clearly most populous area is part of that remit.
If you decide to do that, there's a cost associated with it and it just has to be paid.
If you ever budget a project in a business capacity there's ways to save around the edges at times, but to do a project there's a critical amount of money that is required to make it a success. It just has to be paid if the project is worth being done.
Whammo86 (National) - 26/07/2019 18:09:16
Dublin's Success Not Down To Money - GAA President - 13 Like(s)
Seriously though I am a real person and have been on the site a long time.
I'm originally from Antrim but have worked in Dublin for over 10 years and currently live in Dublin.
I have also been playing for a Meath club for over 10 years.
Up until I read the Irish Times article from 2017 I believed the likes of Ewan McKenna. There will definitely be posts of mine on here from pre 2017 where I'm critical of the money spent on Dublin.
I read the article and heard for the first time about how Provincial councils pay GDOs except in Dublin where they are paid by the county board.
That prompted me to look into things properly on my own.
I really do feel there's a lot of misinformation out there sensationalising the money spent on Dublin.
It also annoys me as an Antrim man to here say a Kerry person give out about unfairness now that they're not winning.
The money that has been invested by the GAA no doubt has helped Dublin GAA. No doubt.
I mean it has gotten more people playing GAA. Surely that is the key principle that is part of the GAA's mission statement to promote Gaelic Games.
The GAA still are doing great work all over the country promoting our games.
Anyone wanting to learn more, the most recent development report I can find from 2015, has information on what projects the association is doing all over the country to promote the games.
Whammo86 (National) - 27/07/2019 13:46:40
Analyst Claims Dubs 'Actually Being Underfunded' - 13 Like(s)
I'm not saying we provide based on birth rates.
There's no formula.
Money is distributed for projects not based on an exact formula.
All I'm saying is Dublin's piece of the pie is certainly not as out of step as Ewan McKenna would tell you.
There isn't financial doping going on.
I give birth rates because it indicates how much of a need for coaches there is in Dublin.
Whammo86 (National) - 28/07/2019 21:34:34
Joe Brolly Finished With RTE - 13 Like(s)
I will not miss him.
I never understood the Joe Brolly being "box office" (i'm cringing typing that phrase) description.
He's an average GAA pundit, with a bit of a colourful turn of phrase and with a sense that he's got free license to say whatever comes into his head.
He's hijacked so many conversations at times to discuss whatever it is that's of interest to him.
He goes off at all sorts of tangents. I think he views himself as some sort of saviour of the Association, he's more interested in the workings of the upper offices of the sport than he is in the games himself.
I actually just think he's not that good of a pundit either. I never feel he's said something new or enlightened.
I think it's funny how after the Mayo Dublin semi final we was praising himself for calling their kick outs, the weak link. At halftime of that game he was specifically questioning the short kickout strategy. Mayo in the second half got cleared out in midfield as they went long which was actually what Brolly was advocating they do.
His relationship with Joanne is toxic, and although the hurling coverage is far from perfect at least there is some flow to what they're doing. That has me thinking it's less Joanne's fault than Brolly's.
I'm glad to see the back of him.
Whammo86 (National) - 11/09/2019 18:23:44
Dublin's Success Not Down To Money - GAA President - 13 Like(s)
I hate these threads.
I hate responding to them because it gives them fuel to continue but I do have to try to get some perspective here.
Anyone who is against the GAA's €1.5m a year games development funding going to Dublin GAA is against trying to get as many Dublin born children playing Gaelic games.
That's it. That's what you are fighting.
There's a project in place to coach as many of the roughly 15k children a year born in Dublin as possible.
The cost of that project is currently about 3-3.5m per annum of which the GAA puts up half.
Why does the GAA not put that money into other counties?
It doesn't cost that amount to coach kids in other counties because there are 15k children being born in those counties each year.
Also any stat that compares the money going to Dublin versus say Cork isn't a fair comparison. Anyone using those stats are basing their arguments on a bad faith use of the funding breakdown.
Much of that information has been vociferously spread by the completely unbiased reporting from ... Ewan McKenna?
Most of the money being spent by the games development funds is being spent on GDO's. Dublin based GDO's are employed by the Dublin county board funded in part by GAA central council.
Cork GDO's are employed by Munster Council part funded by GAA central council. Cork children are still having coaching provided to them from funding provided by the GAA central council, it just never flows through the hands of the Cork county board.
Dublin GAA gets around €1.5m a year of a total games development budget of around €11m. It's a whole lot less sensational number there isn't it. That's because the story is a lot less sensational than some would have you believe.
Whammo86 (National) - 25/07/2019 05:44:38
CASEMENT, BELFAST AND ANTRIM - 13 Like(s)
I'm one person.
I don't red or green thumb myself and I preferred it when these weren't a feature to be honest.
I talk about the Dublin funding a lot because there are a lot of threads on it and a lot of it irritates me into discussing.
I discuss the competition structures a lot because I'm a bit of a geek. As someone from a weaker county, ways of improving the games as intercounty level is meaningful for me.
I don't have a lot to talk about with Antrim, unfortunately, If you don't know they're not that high profile, but during the NFL I will occasionally post.
I'm a bit removed from Antrim club football having moved to an East Meath club, I follow that club scene, although I don't post really on their own forum.
No real reason why I don't, just never have.
You got a lot more of a response out of me than you deserved there but I've nothing to hide.
Whammo86 (National) - 01/10/2019 17:30:51
Analyst Claims Dubs 'Actually Being Underfunded' - 13 Like(s)
That's a fair criticism. I was certainly presenting the numbers uncritically.
This is an Internet forum though and few others are ever held to the scrutiny that you're applying to me.
I will be more careful though because I do believe in the spirit of my arguments and don't want to undermine it.
I don't believe those Blue Wave numbers to be pulled from nowhere. They actually just can't be, it's illegal to be procuring money under false pretenses. The definitely could be loose in how they've been constructed though.
Some on here would have you believe that no one is playing GAA in Dublin. I don't think it's true, although it is a fair point, I don't know why the registered members numbers wouldn't be increasing.
Do you have stats for membership and how they've developed. I have struggled to find them.
It's becoming less true by the year as more people move from country areas to Dublin and have their kids playing.
I'm not employed by the GAA or in anyway associated with a Dublin club.
The club I joined since I moved to work in Dublin is based in East Meath, although I do now live in Dublin city.
Whammo86 (National) - 31/07/2019 10:02:40
Analyst Claims Dubs 'Actually Being Underfunded' - 12 Like(s)
I answered this on another thread and I've never hidden anything.
I am from Antrim, lived and played in Antrim until I began working in Dublin.
I played my football in Meath though, married a Meath woman. Whilst I now live in Dublin my allegiance would be Antrim first, Meath second.
Regardless of allegiance I can appreciate the job that Dublin county board have done.
I hope both Antrim and Meath can do similar.
I am less involved now in any shape or form with Antrim but I do think they are on the right track with Gaelfast.
It's putting a focus on getting strong links between schools and clubs and I hope it leads to a greater number of players coming through.
In Meath I think there's a lot of work to be done to get the most out of the playing talent.
It's less a case about getting numbers out and more about getting standards up.
I think over time things will improve.
The East Meath clubs are doing some excellent work.
Dunboyne, Rathoath, St Colmcille's seem to be going about things the right way.
I think there are still problems in North Meath, these clubs are struggling for numbers. Their underage teams are playing at low levels in the county leagues. I think there are too many clubs in Meath probably and too many levels for underage. A talented player in a weaker club is going to get fewer opportunities weak in weak out to develop themselves.
I think they've also put to much effort into development squads. For years you'll hear about the good team coming through in Meath.
They've tried to centralise their excellence but it's not spreading the development to a wide enough net.
I honestly don't understand your preoccupation with my allegiances anyway.
I have the capacity to think beyond the limits of what's good for my own teams.
Whammo86 (National) - 27/07/2019 17:09:17
"Why Should Anybody Have The God-Given Right To See All Games On Television?" - 12 Like(s)
It's less of a concern for me but I do really hate the overall sports right industry and media platforms in general in how their are fragmenting the market for tv.
Adding new players to the market has been about increasing competition and lower costs, it's been an industry wide tactic to extract most value out of an industry that doesn't have much room for natural expansion.
There is value add in that more live sport and good quality programming is being produced by my good are they really squeezing people.
In the past if you wanted to see a TV3 show instead of RTE you change the channel.
If you want to see an Amazon Prime show but you've already gotten Netflix and Sky do you fork out for more.
It's also the demographic that this strategy targets.
Lower socioeconomic classes watch more tv. They have access to fewer other leisure activities like going to dinner or seeing plays etc. It's specifically squeezing the poorer class and also rural areas.
The GAA are in bed with these guys.
Look also at the ads on Sky, decent amount for vice activities like gambling and drinking. Pub licensing is an ever growing an significant cut of the profit of the industry.
I drink and gamble, I don't have a huge problem with vice industries personally but they do make all their profits from addicts.
If it wasn't for addicts by and large drinks companies couldn't survive at their current costs of production.
It's not really in keeping with the GAA's healthy lives message.
Ah yeah we'll get rid of drink advertising directly but we will still have exposure to it through this middle man, who'll keep most of the profits anyway.
Whammo86 (National) - 06/08/2019 18:31:02
Case Study: Longford Football To Connaught? - 12 Like(s)
Admin can you stop this. It's getting tiresome, this guy is repeatedly claiming people are other users, when they are just not. None of these posts are on topic. I don't see how they need to get through.
Whammo86 (National) - 31/07/2019 05:45:34
Dublin's Success Not Down To Money - GAA President - 12 Like(s)
There are projects taking place to do those sorts of things over the country.
Look at the Sligo have a ball program.
Cork 'Monster' blitzes
Longford's initiative to get under 14 and under 16 players getting more 15 a side games.
Those initiatives are being funded by the GAA games development.
There are different challenges across the country and good work being done.
To be honest the negative publicity about Dublin's funding really is taking away from that good work elsewhere.
It's going to hurt volunteer rates probably.
Why should I help out coaching all the money goes to Dublin. No it doesn't, there's loads to be done wherever you are and there's support to do it.
Whammo86 (National) - 28/07/2019 11:08:00
Dublin's Success Not Down To Money - GAA President - 11 Like(s)
I think every thing you say is fair here.
I'd also like to add that I do agree there are problems with the competitiveness in football and that I'd be shocked if it turned out to be a flash in the pan.
I just disagree that it's because there's been "unfair" financial assistance to Dublin or certainly the extent of it is greatly exaggerated.
I think it's because Dublin were able to get themselves more organised and that the money from central council facilitated this process.
I think the GAA as an organisation with a mission to promote our games are duty bound to provide this assistance.
I think it's good that Dublin's funding has been scaled back, it's down about 15% but there are still large numbers of kids that should be coached in Dublin and the greatest opportunity for new growth is in Dublin, East Leinster and Belfast.
The preoccupation with money also fogs the other advantages Dublin have.
The population advantage that they have will only become more pronounced over time. There will likely be a growing percentage of their population participating in GAA.
I personally don't like the idea of a split of Dublin but I can understand the argument for it.
There's another huge advantage that Dublin has and that's the size of their clubs. The sheer weight of numbers creates such a competitive environment for players at club level.
Kilmacud have roughly 200 kids per 2 year age grade.
They could field 10 teams per age grade. The competition levels that exist there just to play for the top team in one club is going to be huge.
You have that competitive environment from that early age in Dublin it's going to necessitate players to get the most out of their abilities.
It's a wide net they have also. The Kilmacud Crokes story is replicated across the city to less extreme degrees. St Vincent's, Ballymun, Ballyboden, Na Fianna, Saint Brigids, Cuala and emerging clubs like Templelogue Synge Street and Castleknock will have huge numbers coming through also.
The underage environment in Dublin is just the perfect breeding ground for getting elite senior players.
Whammo86 (National) - 03/08/2019 13:15:01
Dublin V Louth - What A Farce - 11 Like(s)
I tried to read up on this as much as I could.
My perception is that there is not exact formula.
The money is used in a couple of different ways.
Some of it is for infrastructure development.
A large amount of it is for coaching initiatives.
In Dublin a lot is spent on paying GDOs. These guys are needed to organize the sheer number of kids that are coming down to the largest of clubs.
County boards and Provincial councils make a case as to what they require to promote their games.
Dublin GAA needs people on the ground.
Those saying give that money to other counties, how are they going to use that money. What works in Dublin a part of the country with a population density that completely exceeds every other area of the country will not work in a more rural county.
This is an interesting document on the work being done.
Dublin definitely have benefited from the money the GAA has put into them. I don't think anything should be done about it. In case people aren't aware there are new kids born in Dublin every year.
There's a cost associated with getting them out and playing our games. I think the association just have to pay it.
The county game does suffer as a result but I mean what can you do. If one county dwarfs the rest in population and have their act together they are going to be at the top table.
Inter county football is certainly high profile but it isn't the be all and end all of our games.
This idea that people need to be in counties that can compete for All Ireland's is rubbish. There are plenty of people like me from weak counties who get loads out of the game.
I really detest some of the moaning about Dublin on here. It's so resentful, it's petty, it's narrow minded and takes no consideration of all the good going into young children's lives in Dublin GAA clubs many of which are situated in some economically deprived parts of the country.
Whammo86 (National) - 28/05/2019 18:17:12
Analyst Claims Dubs 'Actually Being Underfunded' - 11 Like(s)
I'd be open to reading from other sources.
If I saw something to change my mind I would change my mind.
I did think on your points also. The numbers stated are for under 10s I think it likely many of these aren't registered members.
The numbers also fit a sense check. They are eminently believable. In Kilmacud Crokes for instance they are capping out their 4 year old nursery at 100 children.
Granted it's the largest club but that is still numbers for only 1 club.
On your point on naively swallowing something used to gain funding, I guess I'm just assuming that the Blue Wave was engaging in fraud.
On my interest in Dublin GAA.
I do now live and work in Dublin. It's something I've mentioned on here many times.
Mainly my interest in GDF comes from being on this site and being irritated by the number of these GAA are killing the game by funding Dublin threads.
The bug the hell out of me.
Most of the stuff goes unchecked.
People will say things like it's obvious that Dublin GAA are grossly overfunded.
Well that's not obvious to me at all.
Dublin get 1.23m out of a total GDF pot of 11m currently.
Ewan McKenna's analysis is rubbish because he neglects the fact that GDOs are paid for by Provincial councils in every other county outside of Dublin.
I'd be willing to listen to any argument moving beyond that but none have been forthcoming.
Whammo86 (National) - 30/07/2019 09:10:09
Playing "Keep Ball"... - 11 Like(s)
I agree with this.
'Lovely football' bores me.
Say Kerry v Mayo this year where there's acres of space.
There was nice scoring and passing but no intensity.
Nothing to get you excited.
I was well entertained for about 130 minutes of the 2 finals.
Loads of turnovers, good defending, good patient build up.
Kerry were out on their feet in the last 10 on Sunday trying to keep in touch with Dublin.
Sometimes teams have nothing left to give.
Dublin managed the game well, as they should when Sam is on the line.
It is bizarre to me that a very enjoyable game would be used to highlight something wrong with the game as a whole. I'd hold the finals up as an example of our game being in great shape when 2 teams try to win and are evenly enough matched.
Whammo86 (National) - 20/09/2019 11:40:32
CASEMENT, BELFAST AND ANTRIM - 11 Like(s)
I have often.
You never answer the fact that you only ever consider games development money going directly to counties and forget that outside of Dublin and now Belfast, it's the Provincial councils paying for development officers.
Dublin's spend in that regard comes right back in line once that's considered.
There can be arguments over whether Dublin deserve to be getting money close to being in line with their population numbers, since there's likely to be less take up in Dublin than say Kerry or Donegal.
That's a fair point, it doesn't tend to be the one you mostly make though.
I still disagree with it.
If you want to grow a business you'd want to invest in areas of greater potential growth. You have the demographics in Dublin changing such that the rural to urban migration is seeing a greater number of GAA oriented people living in Dublin.
There's displacement also in strong soccer playing strongholds.
Dublin is only going to be more GAA and those players need to be provided for.
The All Ireland is going to be less competitive but I think that's a less important concern than getting strong numbers out playing our games.
I actually feel that more focus should be made on the club game anyway and the county game scaled back hugely. That conversation is for another day.
Whammo86 (National) - 26/09/2019 12:24:36
CASEMENT, BELFAST AND ANTRIM - 11 Like(s)
I don't call them facts.
I'm very open about the sources of my information and I take criticism of them on board.
I don't agree with your assertion that I took something from a Dublin propaganda title.
It was the Blue Wave pitch. They do have to be taken with a pinch of salt. I wouldn't agree with your view that they were meaningless figures and you are very far from an unbiased authority on the topic.
I don't green or red thumb any posts. I am one poster.
The site went way downhill when those were added, long after I'd joined.
I don't want to dominate but these Dublin finance threads go around in circles, all the same arguments are put forward all the time.
The OP on this one is pretty ridiculous. How can you be discussing no funding for Antrim when you're not acknowledging Gaelfast.
Jack Goff gave out about no money for Louth and Sligo without mentioning that there is money for Louth.
Like I mean come on, just because you don't bother to look if it's there doesn't mean it isn't.
Your whole victim mentality is a bit weird also. You can have your opinion but if you voice on a public forum you're going to get feedback. That's the whole point, ffs.
As a guy who has no allegiance to Dublin, the defeatist attitude to their success is frustrating also.
If Kerry or Mayo a few years ago can compete with Dublin there's no reason why Galway, Meath, Tyrone, Donegal can't be.
If these counties just look for excuses, they'll never look for solutions.
Whammo86 (National) - 01/10/2019 15:53:29