Has the time come for Terry Hyland to step down? He has achieved a fair bit in fairness but the whole thing seems a bit stale. Looks like a freshening up is needed.

darbec (Cavan) - Posts: 61 - 13/07/2014 13:48:39    1618207

Yes, completely agree with that statement.

Achieved a lot, but a fresh approach required. Lots of talent brought into the set-up to work with and, the last 3.5 games aside, a very good tenure.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5017 - 13/07/2014 14:16:22    1618218

A lot of people will say yes he has and a lot will say no he shouldn't for me I think he should go he has brought us on a lot from the team we where few years ago but after the last few performances who will want to pay Into watch this system the play like a poster said on another form it was like trapattoni when he took over the Irish team wouldn't let them play football only kicking the ball back to the keeper and hopeless balls up to the strikers they where hard to beat but that system Dosnt last Forever start to loose support from the fans etc need someone that's very attack minded to bring this team forward cause at the min where going backwards and of terry stays on do I think he will make that big of an improvement to make these lads compete in divison 2 I don't think so we will b straight back down we need new faces new style of football let them go express themselves not this left right and backwards stuff and 20-30 hand pass to score a point. I just don't think there's hope in future under this management and system not being bad terry has done mighty work but time for a revamp

Cavan_COYBIB (Cavan) - Posts: 62 - 13/07/2014 14:28:35    1618225

I think the time has come for a change in management and selectors, I think a new fresh approach and new ideas is needed, in fairness to management and co they have done well to bring us to a certain level and put a lot of work and time into developing the team they deserve credit for that, but unfortunately there system of play they believe in doesnt work and I don't think they could change it, I believe we do have the quality footballers in the county we just need a new fresh approach and style of play.

goonie (Cavan) - Posts: 308 - 13/07/2014 16:01:05    1618298

No , he deserves another shot and has earned the right to compete in Division 2 . He'll sink or swim in the league next year . Some of his decisions this year were poor but it was a difficult year in fairness and preparations for championship were disrupted with injuries and players leaving the panel . The teams we met were very good as well . It's laughable that people on here were congratulating players for leaving the panel and are now calling for management's head! But it's true to form I suppose , the general bed wetting and self loathing that goes on here is cringe worthy at times .
We are in crisis I would say regarding our inside line . Our forwards' movement is poor and we have no one to turn a defender and take a man on . It's too predicable and easy for defenders . Mackey needs to be put inside and left there in my opinion . He offers a lot outfield but he's a marked man and it's taking too much of a toll on him . He'll be better protected in there . It will stop teams targeting him for tactical fouling , having different players pick up yellows trying to take him out . He knows where the posts are and loves to run at people . Martin Reilly should be kept closer to goal as well . At this stage Terry has to accept that what he has stuck to religiously in the forward line just does not work and it's killing us . He has to take the bull by the horns now , we won't survive Division 2 otherwise .

Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 14/07/2014 13:09:24    1618903

There a lot more problems than the old one liner of "sack the manager " when things go pear shaped.
Last year our claim to fame in the championship was beating Derry away. Good result but Longford beat them away this year too and look what happened to them against Tipp.
The CB have a lot to answer to here No championship football being played while the County team in the qualifiers so how does Management judge current form?
How can they draft someone in if there very little club football being played?
I cant understand why Hyland didnt bring some experience into his backroom staff when he got the job.
Yes we all agree he was entitled to a crack at it but its a big step up and he should have tried to get Boylan or McEniff or Banty or someone with experience with him
After all he is only learning too and needs some experienced help
I havent seen any u21 manager make the step up without some experienced help in the backroom.
If he is prepared to look for help of that kind then i think he should stay on another year
The CB ALSO NEED TO REALISE THAT THE CLUBS CANT BE CONTINUALLY PUSHED INTO THE BACKGROUND AT THE EXPENSE OF THE SENIOR TEAM.A HAPPY MEDIUM NEEDS TO BE FOUND

dirtybag (Cavan) - Posts: 242 - 14/07/2014 14:21:54    1618991

Terry I feel, came in and steadied a very shaky ship, and did unbelievable considering the morale of the county when he did take the job. As a lot of people said its his style of play that we the supporters are disillusioned with. We just got by in a lot of games against poor opposition by playing this 13 man defence. It worked for Donegal and Tyrone and Armagh when you have All Ireland All stars in your full forward line. We don't have that. Paul O'Connor and Enda Reilly got 0 minutes of senior football this year, and where is Kevin Tierney gone? With Dunnie out, who did he go with? Jack Brady! What happened to the extra defender and 5 forwards, or 4 forwards? or even 3. Keating and Jack Brady alone in the Roscommon 45. If we had Kevin Tierney he could have at least won the ball and hold it up. Terry comes out and says our guys lack experience? against Roscommon? a Div 3 team and U21 footballers who won their provincial championship!!! Same as us. The inexperience is on the sideline. Why did niall murray and mossie corr and mckeever come on when we obviously needed scoring forwards on? I agree Division 2 is sink or swim.

cavan97 (Cavan) - Posts: 369 - 14/07/2014 14:57:44    1619025

Question is, if Terry was to step down, who would we get to replace him?

EatMyFish (Cavan) - Posts: 205 - 14/07/2014 15:19:17    1619054

we need someone who can take us to the next level. terry has taken us to this far but were not going any further. someone like tony mcentee from crossmaglen or kevin mcstay. they should be the kind were looking at. its important we act because ive seen it before what could potentially happen next year if management stay on is things cold go very stale and we could undo are good work because that freshness is gone that terry initially brought. terrys done a good job but i think its time for a fresh voice a change. look at down and tyrone initially the managers done brilliant but things went stale very quick.

blueskies (Cavan) - Posts: 194 - 14/07/2014 15:52:16    1619088

The CB ALSO NEED TO REALISE THAT THE CLUBS CANT BE CONTINUALLY PUSHED INTO THE BACKGROUND AT THE EXPENSE OF THE SENIOR TEAM.A HAPPY MEDIUM NEEDS TO BE FOUND

here here

ramor101 (Cavan) - Posts: 289 - 14/07/2014 15:52:20    1619089

A few things, allthough we played badly early on in first half, so did Roscommon and going in at half time we were in the game.
Why could the management not see the problems were up front in the forward line, they knew Dunne and Tierney was injured why as another poster said did they not play Reilly or O'Connor? Why given that the backs were doing ok did they make the substitutions in the backs, it was Roscommon's number 11 turned the game for them and they never looked back. Decision making on the line was poor, and the rot began to set in when players started leaving the panel, and the message coming out was sure why wouldn't players leave, no big deal, well it turned out to be a big deal, what does that say about discipline or commitment? No point blaming the players that were there, I suspect Hyland will stay, but the time for exscuses about building a team are well past, the under 21s of 2011 will be 25 next year

shannon414 (Cavan) - Posts: 228 - 14/07/2014 16:17:24    1619117

Very dissapointing championship but not a bad year in all.. I say give Terry one more year at the helm. Lets hope the lads can stay healthy, the other lads have the bit of travelling out of their system (didnt help preperations the younger lads leaving but thats another debate)get focused for devision 2 football and really give the championship a better run next year. There is no point dwelling on the past but we must learn from the mistakes and improve. Absolutely detest the style of football Cavan play at the moment but its gonna change.I am a proud Cavan man and Iv seen a lot worse days in the past. I'll support them anyway and I'll enjoy the ups and downs of it all too because at the end of the day its only a game.. CAVAN ABU!

joeybartonIII (Cavan) - Posts: 26 - 14/07/2014 16:37:31    1619134

Terry I feel, came in and steadied a very shaky ship, and did unbelievable considering the morale of the county when he did take the job. As a lot of people said its his style of play that we the supporters are disillusioned with. We just got by in a lot of games against poor opposition by playing this 13 man defence. It worked for Donegal and Tyrone and Armagh when you have All Ireland All stars in your full forward line. We don't have that. Paul O'Connor and Enda Reilly got 0 minutes of senior football this year, and where is Kevin Tierney gone? With Dunnie out, who did he go with? Jack Brady! What happened to the extra defender and 5 forwards, or 4 forwards? or even 3. Keating and Jack Brady alone in the Roscommon 45. If we had Kevin Tierney he could have at least won the ball and hold it up. Terry comes out and says our guys lack experience? against Roscommon? a Div 3 team and U21 footballers who won their provincial championship!!! Same as us. The inexperience is on the sideline. Why did niall murray and mossie corr and mckeever come on when we obviously needed scoring forwards on? I agree Division 2 is sink or swim.


Kevin Tierney is injured and won't feature again this year for club or county.

BreffniGuide (Cavan) - Posts: 474 - 14/07/2014 16:59:13    1619147

Great to see the keyboard warriors at it again. Let's change the manager. That really worked for us between 06 and 12 when we'd five or six managers.

BreffniGuide (Cavan) - Posts: 474 - 14/07/2014 17:37:38    1619189

Let's change the system. This one is not working and is easy to play against as we've found out in the last 3 big games.
The football is dire and will put young gifted players off the game as they're not being allowed express themselves.

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 14/07/2014 20:02:11    1619309

What do you suggest BreffniGuide leaving them in charge, do you honestly want to spend another year watching that tripe football, it wasn't just a one off bad display, that poor performances has been building up, each game getting progressively worst with no action taking to improve the situation, We have a good run of players coming from next years u21 team and this years , we need someone who is willing to incorporate them into a new proactive style of football , players needs to be picked on form not just if they were on the u21 team of 4/5 years ago, we need someone who will build the confidences in the players to take a shot on, this thing of having players afraid to shoot in case of turning over possession is ridiculous ,having forwards spending the majority of the game in our own full back line doesn't work. my fear is if the change doesn't come we are going to loose players, and supporters alike,

goonie (Cavan) - Posts: 308 - 14/07/2014 20:10:35    1619317

When Terry Hyland took over the U-21 team in 2010 Cavan football was in a shocking state. The list of what he achieved since then is impressive - the best since Martin McHugh in 1994-1997.

From 1997 - 2010 all the managers of Cavan teams won NOTHING. He must have done something right. So why not wait and see if he will push out the boat and take in someone new as was suggested by another post - and see if he can move the team up to the next level. There are no benefits from sacking him - it's not fair on him OR the players - who have shown great discipline since he came in. Just remember how it was before that. IF he opts to resign that's his choice - and players and supporters would respect that. But this talk of getting rid of him is misguided. We have the nucleus of a good team. The system we've been using is past its sell-by date and he must know that. Division 2 gives us a great opportunity to develop our game to the required standard. That may require bringing in a new face - and there are some good people around. The last thing we need in this county is a panic button response.

RoyalBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 198 - 14/07/2014 20:56:17    1619356

i would have to say that this was singularly the most horrible shocking performance from any Cavan team i have ever witnessed. But make no mistake this was coming.It has got to the stage where no player has a clue what he is supposed to do.Good players have their natural brain numbed by this so called system.Dont blame the forwards because they are not allowed function as forwards. Eugene Keating - a top class player - had to run out to the sideline every time to try to get possession and then with no support had to shoot from impossible angles - why not play the ball low into the full forward position to give him a chance and then get players up in support.All the other forwards spent their time around or behind midfield causing congestion and confusion.Where are the the scores supposed to come from ? As regards the management the should accept that this nonsense has to stop otherwise they should be thanked for their tremendous efforts over the last few years and relieved of their duties.

tenyearplan (Cavan) - Posts: 147 - 14/07/2014 21:32:37    1619381

Our clubs are sending in the best players they have to get the football trained out of them, what do we do wait until a farce of a division 2 campaign next year which will happen and then sack him 6 weeks before the championship , there is a bigger picture here , he has done well but enough is enough , Cavan support has severly declined in last 12 months is it any wonder watching this crap week in week out , i fully believe that our panel of players are way better than they are allowed to play at the minute

darbec (Cavan) - Posts: 61 - 15/07/2014 09:56:54    1619444

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i would have to say that this was singularly the most horrible shocking performance from any Cavan team i have ever witnessed. But make no mistake this was coming.It has got to the stage where no player has a clue what he is supposed to do.Good players have their natural brain numbed by this so called system.Dont blame the forwards because they are not allowed function as forwards. Eugene Keating - a top class player - had to run out to the sideline every time to try to get possession and then with no support had to shoot from impossible angles - why not play the ball low into the full forward position to give him a chance and then get players up in support.All the other forwards spent their time around or behind midfield causing congestion and confusion.Where are the the scores supposed to come from ? As regards the management the should accept that this nonsense has to stop otherwise they should be thanked for their tremendous efforts over the last few years and relieved of their duties.


Well said. +1

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 15/07/2014 10:37:47    1619468