Cav01 aka multinumpty asked a series of generic, just add water questions which no serious football follower would take seriously. It's not surprising therefore that his disciples are all excited in supporting him.

The reality is that a team develops it's own style and on a game by game and half by half basis will tweak and change depending on conditions.
The problem with the three Tenors or the princess tippy toe trio is that they are unerringly right in hindsight they love pointing out faults backed up by half truths and innuendo.

The reality us that they castigated Hyland until he sickened them by winning Ulster, cav01 and by extension his disciples lambasted Johnston(cue denials)
Let me explain that last point you support cav01 he sneakingly had a pop at Johnston so your support of him shows agreement

It's a pity you didn't support the jersey with the same fervour, if you are even Cavan men at all

Hateful spiteful and hurtful posting by you is not talking football it's just nasty generic innanenquestions to pretend to get a football debate going is pathetic
Go back to tour own counties and annoy your own posters

ochonlir (Cavan) - Posts: 4343 - 29/11/2011 18:37:36    1077426

I don't know who is on the panel. From games i have seen etc this year i would have the following in at the minute, provided they can committ & are willing to committ to the present management.
Here's a few - johnston, lyng, alan clarke, john mcutcheon, joey jordan, other guy from lavey (wing forward), maloney derham, kevin meehan, nial mcdermot, packie leddy, chesty, enda king, sean reilly, mckeever, fergal & ronan flanagan, sean brady, tomas wakely, pierson, bud fitz, gaynor, oisin minagh, sean brady, gaels corner forward ( top scorer last two years )...
Work on basic's first, get our passing both kick & fist perfected. Look at crossmaglen, they are banned from fist passing in training in order to improve & make them kick more often in games & if you watch any of their ulster games, their kick passing is unreal & cut's teams open. No player can run quicker than the ball if it's let on quick, we need this, as we have sharp tricky forwards. Why slow the play up.
If a player is good enough, no matter what age or size or club, they should be in training when the collective action begins again. We have a small player base & cannot be picky or fussy or hold grudges if a player is from a certain club.

tony.montana (Cavan) - Posts: 179 - 29/11/2011 18:51:35    1077438

ochonlir
County: Cavan
Posts: 3565

The reality is that a team develops it's own style and on a game by game and half by half basis will tweak and change depending on conditions.

Really, thats the best you can do...
So Donegal (Ulster Champions 2011) developed it style game by game half by half...

You don't develop style and systems of play on the game pitch, you build them on the practice pitch, with a belief in how the game should be played, knowing what the players need to do to be able to play that way, designing training sessions to develop the needed skills, selecting players that then fit best into your system, and then you impliment the systen/style in games. Systems of play take time to develop to be implimented effectively...

You are of the school of belief that you play 2 sweepers against the most defensive team in the country, for if it doesn't work sure we will revert to bombing in the high ball to a mid-fielder in the square, and if that doesn't work sure we will try something else. no wonder you are a staunch supporter of the way things are.

cav01 (Cavan) - Posts: 325 - 29/11/2011 19:09:51    1077461

ochonlir
County: Cavan
Posts: 3565

Go back to tour own counties and annoy your own posters

so now you are saying that we are not from Cavan and that people who are not from Cavan shouldn't be posting on this forum.

poor Seanorinn, does that mean you don't want him having an opinion on football matters in Cavan, just because he is from Cork.

cav01 (Cavan) - Posts: 325 - 29/11/2011 19:13:53    1077467

See not only do you not understand your own posts you don't understand mine, develop a style then tweak and change when conditions dictate. Had Donegal done that they would have beaten Dublin

On the contrary, Sean is an honest man and his views are honest unlike cavOhnumpty

Soundbites and blaming and whineing that's your lot

Cav01 or should that be cavangaafan, eitherway you and the numphettes are nasty

ochonlir (Cavan) - Posts: 4343 - 29/11/2011 19:36:17    1077485

ochonlir
County: Cavan
Posts: 3565

The reality is that a team develops it's own style and on a game by game ...

....develop a style then tweak and change when conditions dictate.

perhaps it is you who doesn't understand his own posts, contradicted yourself there

cav01 (Cavan) - Posts: 325 - 29/11/2011 19:58:08    1077502

ochonlir
County: Cavan
Posts: 3566

On the contrary, Sean is an honest man and his views are honest unlike cavOhnumpty.
I post what I know is true, post what I believe to be the way forward.
I post my thoughts, my opinion and include fact and proof when I feel it is needed.

The conditions I spoke about last year have been shown to be correct (when I posted them you accused me of bitterness, and nastiness...yet I spoke the truth), when I mention things in the past, you accuse me of Hindsight...can't seem to win.

Keep calling me names, keep questioning my integrity, keep using smoke and mirrors.
Spend your time accusing me of all manner of vindictiveness, for your smoke and mirrors, divide and concur approach, will not take away the facts.
Val Andrews lead our Cavan to a record of just 3 wins in 9 competitive games, and lead our Cavan to a combined 20 point loss in our two championship games.
we won 1 game fewer in the league then the year before
we finished with 1 point fewer then the privious year
we conceeded 16 points more in the league
we scored 6 points less.
we were beaten at home by 11 points by a division 4 team.

facts not nastiness, facts not vendettas, facts not smoke and mirrors, facts not finger pointing... facts

where are your facts?

cav01 (Cavan) - Posts: 325 - 29/11/2011 20:09:42    1077515

uncle clir,
I am cav01, the scarlett pimpernel, jack ruby, the man on the grassy knoll, shergar, the lock ness monster, the holy grail, the yeti, perhaps I am also seanorinn, and richiej, or cavan-slasher or tony montana, maybe I am actual you and that I am really ochnoclir....

I notice that still no football answers...still just pointing fingers...

cav01 (Cavan) - Posts: 325 - 29/11/2011 20:21:14    1077528

Do you guys think it might be possible to shake hands and move on.
Is it not time to forget what has happened over the last 12 years in Cavan football and maybe hope that things will improve for 2012. I know most of us would like to discuss where we think things have gone wrong both in management and with certain players. Unfortunately we just cannot name players who really have under performed over these years and were kept on the panel for one reason or another. Many players I would have moved on and many who were moved on I would have kept. As we are not in a position to make these decisions we have to accept them for what they are.
People keep mentioning names as to why they are not on the panel or why they have been dropped from the panel but if we were in a position of the KNOW I am sure that many on here would not be shouting as to why they are not on the panel and so on.
Now as most know I back the management for they have a hard job to do and not many on here if in fact anyone on here would do this thankless job for you are dammed if you do or don't.
I would like to ask you all please dispel with the negatives and try and be positive for it's the only way forward.
I have seen many managers come and go I have seen very bad fair and good but they all had their own way of doing things it's the same everywhere.
Get behind Val Andrews and his management and who knows what will come from it. Stop harping on about the last two matches we played against Donegal and Longford for if the truth was to be told many players need to stand up and be counted and say yes I did not try for I had lost interest for it appeared to me that many were in that boat.
Lets be positive for 2012 and if we do well you can all shout the positives and if we fail you can do what you like for I will not log on to read the same rhetoric that has been going on here day after day

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4602 - 30/11/2011 09:01:25    1077644

Great post Sean

cav01 (Cavan) - Posts: 325 - 30/11/2011 09:29:56    1077653

Sean o Rinn . Every poster here gets behind the management every year. But we are entitled to ask questions about the Donegal and Longford games, tactics and player selection. The management never bothered to explain any of their actions in those two games. He haven't produced any performances with passion, guts, determination since our 2nd half performance against Wicklow . Surely it's the managements job to send a team out with "fire in the belly" for all competitive games????? And when this doesn't happen well management are going to be questioned. It's not the defeats it's the manner of the defeats. And that's down to management. End of. Now paddy power is quoting us as 14/1 outsiders for div3. 50/1 for ulster so I suggest seann o Rinn you take a bit of that . I certainly won't.. It seems paddy power knows Cavan football better than most .

richiej (UK) - Posts: 1430 - 30/11/2011 09:50:14    1077662

Sean o Rinn . Every poster here gets behind the management every year. But we are entitled to ask questions about the Donegal and Longford games, tactics and player selection. The management never bothered to explain any of their actions in those two games. He haven't produced any performances with passion, guts, determination since our 2nd half performance against Wicklow . Surely it's the managements job to send a team out with "fire in the belly" for all competitive games????? And when this doesn't happen well management are going to be questioned. It's not the defeats it's the manner of the defeats. And that's down to management. End of. Now paddy power is quoting us as 14/1 outsiders for div3. 50/1 for ulster so I suggest seann o Rinn you take a bit of that . I certainly won't.. It seems paddy power knows Cavan football better than most .
richiej , 30/11/2011 at 09:50


Sean o Rinn . Every poster here gets behind the management every year Not True Not True Not True

Surely it's the managements job to send a team out with "fire in the belly" for all competitive games?????
Are you for real when you have players who decide they know more than management? they the management are in big crap. (Just as well names cannot be named it would open your eyes.)


14/1 for promotion or to win division 3. I will be placing no bet on Ulster for Donegal will win Ulster again next year.

The problem here with the Wicklow match it had nothing to do with passion what so ever it was down to Miko making a very bad tactical error,(Martin Cahill Mark McKeever took over the middle of the park and several players started to play off their passion these were the only two with passion) if you were at the match you would have seen it. 3 Players on Johnston come on did he need to do that, all he had to do was place the extra men across the middle it would have been game set and match. If you and others think that this match was magical its no wonder we are where we are. Thankfully I can look at every match I watch with no blinkers on and I watch all the players on the pitch from both sides this way I can give an unbiased opinion after each match. I just don't see the Blue and White or the Red and White when I watch ??? Blinkers Off

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4602 - 30/11/2011 10:31:52    1077687

Seann o Rinn you do give a very biased opinion. You were asked a few weeks ago did you think Seanie Johnstone deserved to be dropped and you said yes his form had dropped. When did that form drop ? Because CAvan haven't had a competitive game since last June. And actually Johnstone scored 1/3 of Cavans scores in lastyears 9 competitive games. So for you to come up with that assessment was very biased towards the current management who rumour has dropped Johnstone. With regard to the Wicklow game it was a passion driven 2nd half that kickstarted an amazing comback. Your quick to point out Mick o dwyers tactical mistake but nit so quick to admit Andrews tactical mistakeS against Donegal.. More biased . It's all very well talking about this new underage talent . But they have to be used right. As I said previously it was ridiculous the way Andrews used niall Murray in his first round match . Then went totaly the opposite with the same player in the qualifier and took him off after 18 minutes. Sean remember one thing. It's not been close to breffni park that counts, nor is it the amount of football you watch that counts either.. It's the way you read the game. And what I've read in your posts, you struggle to read a game with blinkers

richiej (UK) - Posts: 1430 - 30/11/2011 11:49:32    1077745

richiej
County: UK
Posts: 930

1077745
Seann o Rinn you do give a very biased opinion. You were asked a few weeks ago did you think Seanie Johnstone deserved to be dropped and you said yes his form had dropped. When did that form drop ? Because CAvan haven't had a competitive game since last June. And actually Johnstone scored 1/3 of Cavans scores in lastyears 9 competitive games. So for you to come up with that assessment was very biased towards the current management who rumour has dropped Johnstone. With regard to the Wicklow game it was a passion driven 2nd half that kickstarted an amazing comback. Your quick to point out Mick o dwyers tactical mistake but nit so quick to admit Andrews tactical mistakeS against Donegal.. More biased . It's all very well talking about this new underage talent . But they have to be used right. As I said previously it was ridiculous the way Andrews used niall Murray in his first round match . Then went totaly the opposite with the same player in the qualifier and took him off after 18 minutes. Sean remember one thing. It's not been close to breffni park that counts, nor is it the amount of football you watch that counts either.. It's the way you read the game. And what I've read in your posts, you struggle to read a game with blinkers

I was asked a question for my honest opinion should he have been dropped now remember its all hear say about anyone being dropped but my reply was honest as well you know and it was on his current form YES no more no less and by the way until told otherwise he is still part of the set up.

I cannot say how I felt about the Donegal match or the Longford match for that matter I am sure you understand this. But when I spoke with certain people one on one they knew my feelings this I can guarantee you is facts.
Now take a bit of advise if you can get good odds on Cavan getting promoted take it and if the price is good I will place a ton on them.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4602 - 30/11/2011 12:01:56    1077758

Sean O'Rinn and ochonlir,

So gentlemen, what has changed from the past 3 seasons within Cavan football that is giving you lads such cause for optimism?

Sergeant_Slash (Cavan) - Posts: 2182 - 30/11/2011 16:12:03    1077961

Sean O'Rinn and ochonlir,

So gentlemen, what has changed from the past 3 seasons within Cavan football that is giving you lads such cause for optimism?
Sergeant_Slash , 30/11/2011 at 16:12


I will reply to this post in a few weeks time when its appropriate to do so.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4602 - 30/11/2011 16:50:49    1077993

I cannot support this current setup.. disallusioned with andrews actions and the county boards decision to keep him at the helm.. The good times are a long way away!

natureboy.woo (Cavan) - Posts: 73 - 30/11/2011 17:13:02    1078016

Sorry mate I'm not optimistic in my posts, I just feel that whining is a poor basis on which to build for the future. It's easy to look back at the stats in isolation and rehash them and shout FACT.

What is really difficult is to take a team and train it and change the system all the while having people howling abuse at you.

We are a div 3 side and have been for a few years, we didn't look like we would be anything but Div3. So how do we go about changing the situation?

One way is to complain
Another is to change totally
Or do the same as we have been doing ie drifting

The co board through Val chose to change and as you know change is difficult. The change has brought painful defeats but it has brought learnings.we have several young players who know the standard required for example.

Some people on here have admitted that they couldn't support our county what does that say about them? Last year or at the start of this year people on here were howling against Hyland and at the end of the year they were howling for him??

Perhaps it's therapeutic to use these forum to express your angst and if so good luck to you.
Just remember that when you attack a named individual, whilst we ourselves are anonymous, can be pretty hurtful to that person.

On terms of optimism, the underage structure is cause for hope.

ochonlir (Cavan) - Posts: 4343 - 30/11/2011 20:09:53    1078166

fine words ochnoclir,

but just remember, scores, points and victories, are the final measure of any team
quoting these facts is not an excerise in selective recall, they are not taken in isolation, they show what actually happened.
I know we all want what best for Cavan football some like me are quicker to see things that are wrong, some like yourself see signs of hope and silver linings. Time I hope sees results and that your silver linings are the sign of a bright new dawn.
However, it would be remiss of me to not point out that which i think is wrong.

cav01 (Cavan) - Posts: 325 - 30/11/2011 21:06:23    1078218

seanorinn
County: Cavan
Posts: 1407

1077993
Sean O'Rinn and ochonlir,

So gentlemen, what has changed from the past 3 seasons within Cavan football that is giving you lads such cause for optimism?
Sergeant_Slash , 30/11/2011 at 16:12


I will reply to this post in a few weeks time when its appropriate to do so.

Seanoroinn,

Do you like mystery stories ? There is always a sense of mystery and intrigue about your posts. Its like you are waiting for some factor unknown to the rest of us to kick in. Were you talking to Val again and giving him the low-down on what is being said here?

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 30/11/2011 21:50:47    1078270