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Replying To GreenandRed: "What issue do I have?" You clearly have an issue with GAA clubs giving priority to their own members.
oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 08/03/2022 11:07:57
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I can't believe some of the arguments expressed on here. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot. Like it or no women have contributed just as much to the GAA and society than any man. Do you think that in every household men make all the decisions and the only ones who look after the kids, take them to training, wash their kit - the pictures of jerseys hanging out on the line, I assume all the lads on here would do all that themselves. You guys want to be the same lads that want to tell your wife that your daughter cannot train because she - your wife, had done nothing for the GAA. I wonder how many boys would be playing if the mom decided they didn't want to support them but did their daughter?
Honestly it's embarrassing.
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Replying To oneoff: "You clearly have an issue with GAA clubs giving priority to their own members." Have I? What other theories have you? This is just my opinion now, not stating it as a fact you understand, but your reading skills need to be improved.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7344 - 08/03/2022 12:36:43
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Replying To zinny: "I can't believe some of the arguments expressed on here. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot. Like it or no women have contributed just as much to the GAA and society than any man. Do you think that in every household men make all the decisions and the only ones who look after the kids, take them to training, wash their kit - the pictures of jerseys hanging out on the line, I assume all the lads on here would do all that themselves. You guys want to be the same lads that want to tell your wife that your daughter cannot train because she - your wife, had done nothing for the GAA. I wonder how many boys would be playing if the mom decided they didn't want to support them but did their daughter?
Honestly it's embarrassing." Zinny, it's not hard to believe. It's a Hoganstand forum! There's give and take on both sides but I don't think 'integration' will make much difference, nor should it. LGFA and Camogie teams will continue to share pitches with GAA clubs. And in some cases all three with share facilities with other sporting organisations. Proper order. The organisation owning the grounds will continue prioritise usage for their own teams, proper order. Plenty of non-playing female members of GAA clubs, involved in volunteering, fundraising, social media, catering, washing kits etc. Clubs would struggle without them.
The GPA trying to spin it as an 'equality' issue is a load of bolli#. Looking for a bit of publicity for themselves when they seem to be mainly concerned with elite players. Like top brass in the GAA, Camogie, LGFA, they seem out of touch with grassroots members and players and sharing resources to save money is a reality for them.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7344 - 08/03/2022 12:49:55
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Replying To GreenandRed: "Have I? What other theories have you? This is just my opinion now, not stating it as a fact you understand, but your reading skills need to be improved." "If the local GAA club pitches aren't available at their usual training times they could maybe try rescheduling at a different time. Maybe 6 in the morning before going to work. Alternatively 10 o'clock at night once the menfolk have completed their training."
What exactly are you saying here then?
oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 08/03/2022 13:09:39
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Replying To oneoff: ""If the local GAA club pitches aren't available at their usual training times they could maybe try rescheduling at a different time. Maybe 6 in the morning before going to work. Alternatively 10 o'clock at night once the menfolk have completed their training."
What exactly are you saying here then?" Let them rearrange a time that pitches are available within the club or if they don't like it make pitch arrangements elsewhere.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7344 - 08/03/2022 14:27:22
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Replying To oneoff: ""If the local GAA club pitches aren't available at their usual training times they could maybe try rescheduling at a different time. Maybe 6 in the morning before going to work. Alternatively 10 o'clock at night once the menfolk have completed their training."
What exactly are you saying here then?" Let them rearrange a time that pitches are available within the club or if they don't like it make pitch arrangements elsewhere.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7344 - 08/03/2022 14:47:57
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Replying To GreenandRed: "Zinny, it's not hard to believe. It's a Hoganstand forum! There's give and take on both sides but I don't think 'integration' will make much difference, nor should it. LGFA and Camogie teams will continue to share pitches with GAA clubs. And in some cases all three with share facilities with other sporting organisations. Proper order. The organisation owning the grounds will continue prioritise usage for their own teams, proper order. Plenty of non-playing female members of GAA clubs, involved in volunteering, fundraising, social media, catering, washing kits etc. Clubs would struggle without them.
The GPA trying to spin it as an 'equality' issue is a load of bolli#. Looking for a bit of publicity for themselves when they seem to be mainly concerned with elite players. Like top brass in the GAA, Camogie, LGFA, they seem out of touch with grassroots members and players and sharing resources to save money is a reality for them." What people miss however is there should never have been an LGFA in the first place. The only reason it was created was because there was no interest in the GAA for creating a women's gaelic football game. Some of those same attitudes still exist today. Let me as you this if it had been created under the GAA how many of the contributors here would today say they have the same rights as the men to the pitch? A lot of people hiding behind the fact they are a different organisation and just will not come out and say what they really believe. A lot of people ultimately believe that only men really play our national games, if they didn't what organisation they belong to wouldn't matter. I am not saying that there hasn't been idiots in the LGFA that haven't helped their cause and as you say, the top brass have been out of touch. However the past is the past, everone now needs to get on with it and make it work for the better of everyone.
zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1804 - 08/03/2022 16:36:52
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Whether the GPA or some other subsidiary put forward the successful motion is irrelevant.
The bottom line is that ladies football and camogie are not just emerging sports but mainstream sports and every club that has not woken up to that fact needs to cop on, or be left behind.
Many clubs have integrated ladies teams successfully and have had no problem with accessing pitches for all their teams - ladies as well.
Accessing pitches for so many teams for the future is going to mean either teams training in the mornings or extra land being developed by clubs. That to me is the clear effect of having so many more ladies teams involved.
Ladies want to play football and camogie and that demand has to be met.
At national level, the LGFA and Camogie Association need to enter MEANINGFUL discussions with a view to not just a sharing of facilities but actual and real full integration.
But, I fear that 'minor fears' of losing their independence may feature in the minds of some representatives from both the LGFA and the Camogie Association and prevent real progress being made and discussions being put on the long finger.
So, for me, 2 things are needed, 1 - clubs need to provide and be helped to provide much more pitches and 2- the ladies associations need to move into discussions with an open mind.
carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1821 - 08/03/2022 17:25:32
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Replying To oneoff: "The men foke? You mean the members of the association who actually own the grounds?
If a Camogie club was using a Rugby clubs ground for training and they were told they couldn't use it because one of the Rugby teams needed it would you have the same issue?
The LGFA and Camogie association have been around for long enough at this point to be able to get their own grounds etc but it's just easier for them to piggy back on the GAA and then claim to be discriminated against when they don't get their way." "The men foke? You mean the members of the association who actually own the grounds?
Women are also members of 'the association'. Didn't you know that?
Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2460 - 08/03/2022 19:58:06
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GAA under pressure now after the veiled threat of action by GPA members over expenses, will they take strike action ?
GPA are now the chief power brokers in the GAA, not the GAA or Central Council or the Provincial Councils & the GPA have the GAA over a barrel now since they introduced expenses & gave them a percentage of all commercial GAA revenues. You reap what you sow & the GAA deserve everything they get over this. How long before players start demanding more reward for their image rights, particularly with more TV Rights money coming in. Tom Parsons is now the man dictating the future of the GAA. The caving in by the GAA to the GPA over the years is in stark contrast to the way they dealt with the CPA & now 2% of the membership of the Association are in control. It was also inevitable that players would look for more when the GAA are turning a blind eye to the huge sums of cash been paid to club & county managers & coaches & backroom teams. The plethora of ex Inter County players entering club & county management isn't for the love of the game or to give something back, it's because there is bundles of cash out there to be put in the back pocket & never declared. Players were never going to sit back & watch this or turn a blind eye as the GAA & Revenue are doing, so the threat of strike action has arrived & I predict the GAA will cave in to the GPA & pay them what they want as they won't want televised matches not going ahead because of strike action & possibly losing the TV contracts. Could the Kerry v Mayo match tonight be used as the rod to get their way ?
moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 1212 - 12/03/2022 12:25:37
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Replying To moc.dna: "GAA under pressure now after the veiled threat of action by GPA members over expenses, will they take strike action ?
GPA are now the chief power brokers in the GAA, not the GAA or Central Council or the Provincial Councils & the GPA have the GAA over a barrel now since they introduced expenses & gave them a percentage of all commercial GAA revenues. You reap what you sow & the GAA deserve everything they get over this. How long before players start demanding more reward for their image rights, particularly with more TV Rights money coming in. Tom Parsons is now the man dictating the future of the GAA. The caving in by the GAA to the GPA over the years is in stark contrast to the way they dealt with the CPA & now 2% of the membership of the Association are in control. It was also inevitable that players would look for more when the GAA are turning a blind eye to the huge sums of cash been paid to club & county managers & coaches & backroom teams. The plethora of ex Inter County players entering club & county management isn't for the love of the game or to give something back, it's because there is bundles of cash out there to be put in the back pocket & never declared. Players were never going to sit back & watch this or turn a blind eye as the GAA & Revenue are doing, so the threat of strike action has arrived & I predict the GAA will cave in to the GPA & pay them what they want as they won't want televised matches not going ahead because of strike action & possibly losing the TV contracts. Could the Kerry v Mayo match tonight be used as the rod to get their way ?" GPA are far from the chief power brokers in the GAA as theyre a small body not even speaking for all of the players at inter county level.
and they far from have the GAA over a barrell.
CPA was never going to get anything as it represents far too many people with far too divergent views across the areas they want impprovements in
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Replying To KillingFields: "GPA are far from the chief power brokers in the GAA as theyre a small body not even speaking for all of the players at inter county level.
and they far from have the GAA over a barrell.
CPA was never going to get anything as it represents far too many people with far too divergent views across the areas they want impprovements in" Yes, the GPA are a small body, approx 2% of GAA membership, I am not aware of any Inter County set up not represented by them. They also now have many LGFA & Camogie members on board to give them more gender balance & giving them more scope to say they are all inclusive (if only for inter county players) They have been very shrewd in the whole integration debate. Their size has no relevance to the debate, as their media profile far outweighs their size compared to all others within the GAA membership.
You, are incorrect on the fact that they are not the chief power brokers. What other branch of the Association from Rounders, Scór, Handball, Clubs do you see getting expenses for its members & collecting a percentage of all commercial GAA Revenue, the answer is none.
They do have the GAA over a barrel, if the players decide to remove their services, the TV Rights money is in jeopardy.
What action do you think the GAA will take over the managers & players not doing pre & post match interviews in the Kerry/Mayo game, none as they would be afraid it would escalate the possibility of further strike action.
In that regard as the GAA have now started a level of expenses & annual payment of a percentage of all commercial revenues, every time the GPA want to increase those figures they just have to issue the veiled threat of players removing their services. Do you think that they won't look for more & more or stand by as their image rights are used to sell the TV Rights packages ?
The CPA never had a wide range of divergent issues, it was very simply about fixtures & is still relevant today. That 98% of GAA membership couldn't have a defined fixture list that was adhered to is the main reason for the massive dropout rate. Fixture Schedules that were published were complete works of fiction, Players unable to plan work, holidays, weddings it is a joke. The CPA did their best to highlight this. They also highlighted one of the most glaring issues at Congress, the lack of Transparency around voting, an organisation that deems itself as one of the most democratic sporting bodies around & they didn't want transparency. What was there to hide, you have to ask ?That motion by the CPA was unanimously defeated & publicly ridiculed by Congress, to teach the CPA a lesson. The people fronting the CPA were very honourable people with huge inputs at all levels of the Association, yet they were in my opinion, treated abysmally by those in charge. It was no surprise as the Association is a two tiered Association & the club players are the least important element now.
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Replying To moc.dna: "Yes, the GPA are a small body, approx 2% of GAA membership, I am not aware of any Inter County set up not represented by them. They also now have many LGFA & Camogie members on board to give them more gender balance & giving them more scope to say they are all inclusive (if only for inter county players) They have been very shrewd in the whole integration debate. Their size has no relevance to the debate, as their media profile far outweighs their size compared to all others within the GAA membership.
You, are incorrect on the fact that they are not the chief power brokers. What other branch of the Association from Rounders, Scór, Handball, Clubs do you see getting expenses for its members & collecting a percentage of all commercial GAA Revenue, the answer is none.
They do have the GAA over a barrel, if the players decide to remove their services, the TV Rights money is in jeopardy.
What action do you think the GAA will take over the managers & players not doing pre & post match interviews in the Kerry/Mayo game, none as they would be afraid it would escalate the possibility of further strike action.
In that regard as the GAA have now started a level of expenses & annual payment of a percentage of all commercial revenues, every time the GPA want to increase those figures they just have to issue the veiled threat of players removing their services. Do you think that they won't look for more & more or stand by as their image rights are used to sell the TV Rights packages ?
The CPA never had a wide range of divergent issues, it was very simply about fixtures & is still relevant today. That 98% of GAA membership couldn't have a defined fixture list that was adhered to is the main reason for the massive dropout rate. Fixture Schedules that were published were complete works of fiction, Players unable to plan work, holidays, weddings it is a joke. The CPA did their best to highlight this. They also highlighted one of the most glaring issues at Congress, the lack of Transparency around voting, an organisation that deems itself as one of the most democratic sporting bodies around & they didn't want transparency. What was there to hide, you have to ask ?That motion by the CPA was unanimously defeated & publicly ridiculed by Congress, to teach the CPA a lesson. The people fronting the CPA were very honourable people with huge inputs at all levels of the Association, yet they were in my opinion, treated abysmally by those in charge. It was no surprise as the Association is a two tiered Association & the club players are the least important element now." Theyre not chief power brokers because of the fact they just represent current county players, a tiny percent of the GAA and none of the voting members at likes of congress. none of the other sectors should be getting percentage of commercial revenue when they dont bring in any significant percentage of it
rounders, handball, scor brings in very little commercial revenue so why would anyone look for a percentage of nothing?
the GPA arent going to withdraw services because theyre ultimately amateurs and its not like they have professional contracts worth much to fight for any way.
tv rights money isnt at jeopardy if current county players involved with GPA withdrew their services
The CPA does have a wide range of divergent issues because when you are made up of so many different groups of people from so many different counties you will of course have very different viewpoints even if you share a few aims/goals you would like to achieve.
use paragraphs next time. moc. makes your post easier to read
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CPA disbanded when the split season was adopted.
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