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Replying To beano: "I know it's commendable to blood all the young lads and to at least try to move away from the previous regime in terms of set up, but tonight (however inconsequential I regard the tournament itself) shows how much the sweeper benefited us. We threw away a healthy lead vs Kilkenny last week, and got cut open through the middle time and time again tonight. Ryan was a busy man. I shudder to think what Limerick will do to us even if they show up at 70%. Our shooting is still an ongoing concern, which is unfathomable." That prospect was frightening enough even before tonight Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 2656 - 29/01/2022 19:10:56 2397039 Link
Replying To realdub: "Ah now there's no need for that :D" Apologies. Dublin were excellent tonight. The hurling snob in me is extremely bitter right now Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 2656 - 29/01/2022 19:11:40 2397040 Link
Replying To beano: "I know it's commendable to blood all the young lads and to at least try to move away from the previous regime in terms of set up, but tonight (however inconsequential I regard the tournament itself) shows how much the sweeper benefited us. We threw away a healthy lead vs Kilkenny last week, and got cut open through the middle time and time again tonight. Ryan was a busy man. I shudder to think what Limerick will do to us even if they show up at 70%. Our shooting is still an ongoing concern, which is unfathomable." Absolutely disgraceful display. The guys you would expect to be leaders on the pitch were total liabilities. Yellow (Wexford) - Posts: 549 - 29/01/2022 19:14:00 2397041 Link
Replying To Doylerwex: "Regardless of the time of year losing to Dublin like this is absolutely pathetic." The only pathetic thing is the arrogance of your comment. Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2458 - 29/01/2022 19:17:45 2397044 Link
Dublin played a great match looked alot like we did in the games we played well in in the last 5 years. Great intensity and sharp running and passing with a couple of lads back covering to help out the fullback line when we attacked inside. At the other end we were light in numbers when Dublin played the ball inside and lacked shape around the middle. We looked a yard off the pace while Dublin looked very sharp. The grass on the pitch looked to have been cut short for the football though that would have been true for both teams. Too many wides and shots dropping short. And too many long puck outs that I think we only won a couple of cleanly in the whole 70 minutes. Dunbar and Pepper looked good off the bench as did Mcguckian. Will have been an experience for all the 20 year olds to get a run out but surely not good for their confidence. Not sure what management would have learnt from the game tbh. Only consolation might be that when we peaked early in the season during Davys 1st couple of years we couldn't keep it going through to the championship so hopefully we will do better against Dublin come the Round Robin . Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11827 - 29/01/2022 19:20:16 2397045 Link
Weak in the tackle. Weak in the air. Casual. One handed flicks to nobody. Soft challenges. Bad hand passes. Poor ball into the forwards. Loose loose marking. Shapeless. No toughness. Apart from Liam Ryan and D Reck and Paudie Foley occasionally everyone else was at sea Injuries to Kevin and Oisin Foley The same forwards who always start and can never win possession- and who can't blame being outnumbered now - were totally out hurled. How could we not push up on the Dublin short puck out?? People will say there were new inexperienced lads on the team but these were the better ones. I'd rather start 7 new lads vs Limerick because half that team are not good enough and in decline. Yellow (Wexford) - Posts: 549 - 29/01/2022 19:32:22 2397049 Link
Replying To Doylerwex: "Apologies. Dublin were excellent tonight. The hurling snob in me is extremely bitter right now" Only ribbin' you, carry on :D realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8589 - 29/01/2022 19:38:30 2397051 Link
Replying To munsterchamps: "im not so sure limerick will be hell bent on winning the league will prob start 3 or 4 of our first 15 so if wexford start a strong team close to first 15 it might be close." I'd doubt it. That result tonight was the last thing we needed. Confidence will be very low heading into next week. Thank god the match is not in the Gaelic Grounds. Purpleandgold72 (Wexford) - Posts: 190 - 29/01/2022 19:54:16 2397052 Link
Replying To munsterchamps: "im not so sure limerick will be hell bent on winning the league will prob start 3 or 4 of our first 15 so if wexford start a strong team close to first 15 it might be close." Half our 1st 15 is injured at the moment! Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11827 - 29/01/2022 19:58:11 2397053 Link
Very worrying….hard to believe the likes of Morris, McGovern and O'Hanlon are still starting. Morris was very poor in 2020 and 21….too slow and lacks physicality. Seamus Casey should have stayed as sub goalie and taken over from Fanning eventually. Limerick will win at their ease next week Purpleandgold72 (Wexford) - Posts: 190 - 29/01/2022 20:03:51 2397055 Link
Replying To Cockney_Cat: "The only pathetic thing is the arrogance of your comment." Agree Cockney Cat. Just because we havent lost to them in a good few years doesnt mean we can expect to turn up with half our 1st team missing and the other half looking like they didnt want to be there and win. Dwyer, Devitt and Reck looked OK and Pepper, Mcguckin and Dunbar looked fairly sharp when they came on too. Fanning looked up for the game but I dont get why he kept pucking it out long when we won so few long puckouts. I also cant understand why we let them have their short puckouts without pushing up on them. Obviously we on the sidelines dont know that our lads weren't running all week but our shooting, 1st touch, passing hand or stick, positional awareness especially around the middle 3rd, support play and intensity seemed a long way off Dublins. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11827 - 29/01/2022 20:08:59 2397056 Link
Replying To Cockney_Cat: "The only pathetic thing is the arrogance of your comment." Agree Cockney Cat. Just because we havent lost to them in a good few years doesnt mean we can expect to turn up with half our 1st team missing and the other half looking like they didnt want to be there and win. Dwyer, Devitt and Reck looked OK and Pepper, Mcguckin and Dunbar looked fairly sharp when they came on too. Fanning looked up for the game but I dont get why he kept pucking it out long when we won so few long puckouts. I also cant understand why we let them have their short puckouts without pushing up on them. Obviously we on the sidelines dont know that our lads weren't running all week but our shooting, 1st touch, passing hand or stick, positional awareness especially around the middle 3rd, support play and intensity seemed a long way off Dublins. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11827 - 29/01/2022 20:09:28 2397057 Link
Replying To beano: "Am I the only one scratching their head about the hype this is generating in Wexford? I know it's probably as much to do with the euphoria around being able to go to games again without restrictions, but I think some of it is a bit overboard. Like I was talking to a fella during the week who was saying he has a box up in Croker for the match (you'd swear it was the All-Ireland final), yet he couldn't tell me who Wexford were kicking football against tomorrow. I know of some pubs showing the match live. I happened to be in Kilkenny last Saturday, and there was no mention of the match! Yes it would be great to get a win ahead of the league starting, especially for the younger lads' confidence levels, but I would rather lose today and pick up one win or a draw in our two forthcoming league games than win today and lose the next two. It's far more imperative for our development to be competitive in the league than win a fourth priority competition (which Davy won recently too)." Was there really that much hype pre game? maybe cause I'm working from home I don't see much of it, I think people like you said were energised by lifting of restrictions and naturally there will be some interest with a new manager and the exciting rollercoaster game against Kilkenny brought this up a notch. To be fair you can't make someone like or be interested in a sport, personal opinion hurling is my favourite spectator sport but that doesn't make anti football in any way, I'll be in the park today for the Sligo game. Different strokes for different folks, I've no interest in American Football but a few of friends are big fans and we're all comfortable with that. As for the pubs it was clearly the most appealing option to a pub in Wexford at 5 yesterday with the other options being Kilmacud v Pearses, Zebre v Munster or maybe a AFCON or English championship soccer game on Sky. I think that's a far healthier scenario than the last time we played Dublin in the Leinster hurling championship in Croke Park in 2016 when the bar of a well known hotel decided to show the FA Cup final instead of our game. bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 30/01/2022 09:03:07 2397091 Link
Very early in the season yet to get too despondent. There's no real point in peaking early as a previous poster has said. There ll be no excuse next week if there isn't a big performance against Limerick. The game against Limerick has taken on a bigger significance for sure because even though its early season ,no one wants two hammerings back to back. bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1710 - 30/01/2022 09:58:43 2397099 Link
Replying To Viking66: "Agree Cockney Cat. Just because we havent lost to them in a good few years doesnt mean we can expect to turn up with half our 1st team missing and the other half looking like they didnt want to be there and win. Dwyer, Devitt and Reck looked OK and Pepper, Mcguckin and Dunbar looked fairly sharp when they came on too. Fanning looked up for the game but I dont get why he kept pucking it out long when we won so few long puckouts. I also cant understand why we let them have their short puckouts without pushing up on them. Obviously we on the sidelines dont know that our lads weren't running all week but our shooting, 1st touch, passing hand or stick, positional awareness especially around the middle 3rd, support play and intensity seemed a long way off Dublins." I didn't really mean it like that. What I mean is, the way a team gets to the top is by finding a way to stay in games when you aren't going well, or turning things around by rallying. Kilkenny demonsted this last week. We've been able to do this in recent years. There was no sign of it at all yesterday which is extremely worrying. We started the game very well but with excessive wides. Dublin grew while we shrank. At half time yesterday, I expected us to come out all guns blazing and stage some manner of comeback. Instead, we put up a white flag. That's what's unacceptable. Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 2656 - 30/01/2022 10:03:29 2397100 Link
Replying To Doylerwex: "I didn't really mean it like that. What I mean is, the way a team gets to the top is by finding a way to stay in games when you aren't going well, or turning things around by rallying. Kilkenny demonsted this last week. We've been able to do this in recent years. There was no sign of it at all yesterday which is extremely worrying. We started the game very well but with excessive wides. Dublin grew while we shrank. At half time yesterday, I expected us to come out all guns blazing and stage some manner of comeback. Instead, we put up a white flag. That's what's unacceptable." 100% correct. HurlingBuzz (Wexford) - Posts: 471 - 30/01/2022 10:32:40 2397105 Link
Replying To beano: "Bitter!! It was just an observation that I don't remember such fanfare over a pre-season competition, even in Davy's first season. Believe me, I will be delighted as the next man if a win today sparks a succesful run, it's just not something I would normally pay much heed to. Nothing 'bitter' about that. The irony being, you call yourself a fan despite admiting you don't care for football. That's perverse." You probably don't do yourself any favours by being alot more vocal after a poor performance rather than a good performance, unfortunately i just think that's a general symptom of modern society a general enjoyment to complain, BTW I do get the since you like to see Wexford teams do well in both codes. bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 30/01/2022 10:41:26 2397109 Link
Replying To Doylerwex: "I didn't really mean it like that. What I mean is, the way a team gets to the top is by finding a way to stay in games when you aren't going well, or turning things around by rallying. Kilkenny demonsted this last week. We've been able to do this in recent years. There was no sign of it at all yesterday which is extremely worrying. We started the game very well but with excessive wides. Dublin grew while we shrank. At half time yesterday, I expected us to come out all guns blazing and stage some manner of comeback. Instead, we put up a white flag. That's what's unacceptable." Not sure we had the players to come out all guns blazing. And maybe we are still doing alot of physical fitness training the squad is only back collective training a little over a month. It was noticeable how much space they had around the middle 3rd and how much more pressure they were putting on our lads in possession than we did when they had the ball. The more established lads in particular looked a little lacking in energy and our forwards were either not told to press up on their defenders on their puckouts or just didn't have the energy to do it. We gave a possession based team free possession every time we scored or hit a wide and they worked most of their scores from this. More worrying is the abject lack of ball winners in our forwards. That coupled with the continuous stream of long puckouts made us look worse than maybe we were. That and the numerous wides some of which were very poor. If we had of had the same amount of wides as they did we would only have been 3 or 4 points down at half time despite conceding 2 soft goals. And then maybe it would have been easier to find that little extra to come out all guns blazing. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11827 - 30/01/2022 10:45:34 2397110 Link
Dublin went about their business efficiently and in same manner as the previous three games. If he can sort out the slow starts, we'll be flying! Early days obviously and Walsh Cup is little more than a straw in the wind. From Dublin perspective it is encouraging that for the first time since he came in that Mattie has a panel with a bit of depth. He has hit upon a "system" if you like that seems to be working and it was noticeable that even when the game was won and bench was being emptied that they kept that pattern. As old fogey, the short game puts the heart across me every puckout but I can see where he is coming from. Miles off Limerick but trying to apply the same template. It does not have a good track record against them boys as Cork discovered last year! From Wexford perspective, only positive I would see is that the full back line was well on top before Hayes and Trolier were put in. Dublin need that big physical presence and dependence on Hayes is easily enough dealt with when he is either missing - as in the Leinster final last year - or well policed as in Cork game. Next weekend will be better picture of where everyone is at. BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2551 - 30/01/2022 11:01:34 2397118 Link
Replying To Viking66: "Not sure we had the players to come out all guns blazing. And maybe we are still doing alot of physical fitness training the squad is only back collective training a little over a month. It was noticeable how much space they had around the middle 3rd and how much more pressure they were putting on our lads in possession than we did when they had the ball. The more established lads in particular looked a little lacking in energy and our forwards were either not told to press up on their defenders on their puckouts or just didn't have the energy to do it. We gave a possession based team free possession every time we scored or hit a wide and they worked most of their scores from this. More worrying is the abject lack of ball winners in our forwards. That coupled with the continuous stream of long puckouts made us look worse than maybe we were. That and the numerous wides some of which were very poor. If we had of had the same amount of wides as they did we would only have been 3 or 4 points down at half time despite conceding 2 soft goals. And then maybe it would have been easier to find that little extra to come out all guns blazing." But hey, at least we mark up man on man now, go long for puck-outs and hit long ball into forwards that can't win it. The traditionalists who hated the sweeper system must be pleased. beano (Wexford) - Posts: 1416 - 30/01/2022 11:06:46 2397120 Link