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Why Cork Cant Win More All Irelands In Football

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Replying To Rolo2010:  "And you boys still managed to kill it off despite this. Good. Football is the superior game anyway."
Stop Rolo. You're contributing nothing at this stage, I'm beginning to suspect you're a wum.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1698 - 26/09/2021 14:40:12    2383001

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Replying To Greengrass:  "Oh dear !!!!"
Sorry Greengrass that was a little tongue in cheek . Only a little though.

UtahBlaine (Galway) - Posts: 145 - 26/09/2021 14:52:57    2383007

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Replying To Rolo2010:  "And you boys still managed to kill it off despite this. Good. Football is the superior game anyway."
Have another rolo there, good ladeen yourself!

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1785 - 26/09/2021 15:21:45    2383013

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Replying To UtahBlaine:  "Sorry Greengrass that was a little tongue in cheek . Only a little though."
No bother Utah . I was taken in by it. Only a little though.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 26/09/2021 15:32:52    2383015

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Replying To Galway9801:  "Stop Rolo. You're contributing nothing at this stage, I'm beginning to suspect you're a wum."
You are correct. Completely clueless on pretty much everything.

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 26/09/2021 17:39:45    2383038

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "I fail to see any logic in this statement, no matter how hard I try.

Let's say for argument's sake that you did indeed have a popular game that was distinct from hurling in "the south". How exactly would interest in "the south" in the evolving new form of hurling kill off the game that was played in your own part of the country, if there was still sufficient interest in that game in your own part of the country to keep it alive?

Surely it was fading interest in your own part of the country in that particular game that killed it off?

Would be a bit like if road bowling in Cork died off over the next few years, and they blamed people in Leinster or Connacht for it, because of how they never bought into in the first place.

Or the sort of outdoor skittles game that's still played in a pub league around North Wexford most summers. Would be like if that died off, and the few involved in it blamed people in Donegal for its demise, because of how those Donegal people never developed or promoted a similar game.

Frankly ridiculous all round."
Outdoor skittles still popular around South Wexford too Pikeman!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11725 - 27/09/2021 19:02:44    2383226

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Replying To Viking66:  "Outdoor skittles still popular around South Wexford too Pikeman!"
It's nice to hear that Wexford has a sport in which they're probably better than any other county. Just like Cork with the road bowling.

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 1903 - 29/09/2021 16:22:42    2383558

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Replying To bennybunny:  "You are correct. Completely clueless on pretty much everything."
Just like a few other delusional posters on here.

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 1903 - 29/09/2021 16:56:14    2383566

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while it is deviating away from the topic abit (why caork cant win more All Irelands in football) I seen a poster said that hurling was kind of the posh game and football was secondary (badly paraphrased but that was the gist) I remember back in 1998/99 around in Bridge House in Tullamore, Offaly footballers were there being presented with either 1997 Leinster Medals or 1998 League medals (either or and not sure of exact date) but Offaly hurlers at the time had a meal or something (could have been 1998 AI medal presentation maybe) in the Bridge house same night, and while hurling stock myself, I noticed a distinct "uppedyness" about the footballers and their WAGS, suited and booted as they say but were keeping in their own little cliques with not even an nod out of them to anyone,, the hurlers, were very more down to earth, and while it wasnt regular patrons place to be crowding either party out, the hurlers were all very friendly and acknowledged anyone who passed by with a greeting, footballers were very closed circle and a member of staff was telling me the hurlers were very easy to deal with etc...that was then I know and possibly unfair on all footballers present I know..just saying the perception could be seen clearly, one group were very..Im sure every county with both codes will make arguments of same (or not) but I see some of them same footballers retired now and they think their own you know what doesnt smell...all cliques and what have you...

Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 1034 - 30/09/2021 17:10:18    2383817

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I searched for my original post again to look at this issue again, and not only win All Irelands in football is the question but to be competitive again even in the current National Football league 2022..its alarming to see a county with such pedigree stuck in the bottom of Division 2 with very very real possibility of being relegated to Division 3...can things be so bad in this sleeping giant??

Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 1034 - 16/03/2022 11:04:19    2405668

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Replying To Fairplayalways:  "I searched for my original post again to look at this issue again, and not only win All Irelands in football is the question but to be competitive again even in the current National Football league 2022..its alarming to see a county with such pedigree stuck in the bottom of Division 2 with very very real possibility of being relegated to Division 3...can things be so bad in this sleeping giant??"
Hurling is always going to be number one in Cork and nothing will ever change that. Even when Cork actually won the All Ireland it still wasn't enough for some. I've always felt the hurlers get off very lightly and there's always an excuse for the hurlers when they underperformed it's always either the management, they're rebuilding etc

Some of the all time great footballers have come from Cork problem is they were also great hurlers so the football side of their career is forgotten about.

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 16/03/2022 12:41:33    2405700

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Replying To oneoff:  "Hurling is always going to be number one in Cork and nothing will ever change that. Even when Cork actually won the All Ireland it still wasn't enough for some. I've always felt the hurlers get off very lightly and there's always an excuse for the hurlers when they underperformed it's always either the management, they're rebuilding etc

Some of the all time great footballers have come from Cork problem is they were also great hurlers so the football side of their career is forgotten about."
It doesn't seem to be the problem these days. Cork is producing neither hurlers or footballers that are good even. The dual issue is sorted out at minor level; managers don't allow it anymore. So, a lad that is equally good has to decide at 17/18, and that's par for the course in almost all counties. So, it's no longer a line of jargon that Cork ppl can rely on, that one sport is thriving at the expense of the other.

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 1903 - 16/03/2022 13:15:14    2405711

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I think ir most unfair making any young person chose ome above the other at underage..whatever about Senior level..common sense has to prevail, ime involved in another code and ask lads to come training when they can and before a big game the problem is our GAA counterparts dont reciprocate...its all take take take..and the lads we have actually have privately said they prefer the code of sport we do but for fear of been banished are afraid to make that known or they will be banished almost...gifted players can play both..it may not be fair on players who commit full time but we all know the scenarios of lads being flew back to play in county finals and even relegation play offs and even inter county games and finals...so you cant have it both ways..now i will admit its not as prevalent in recent times but still does happen..the GAA wonder then why lads on the panel drop off...and i hear the counter argument coming already "its a team thing and everyone is united" that always comes from management and never number 27 or 28 on the panel...

Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 1034 - 16/03/2022 16:45:52    2405759

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Replying To Viking66:  "That's nonsense down here anyway. Which hurling counties are you talking about?"
I think to be fair most counties try to promote both codes. Its only natural that each county has a level of bias towards the code where they have the best chance of elite success. In Galway at county level I think things are fair enough and I guess thats reflected in the AI count of 9 and 5 , with the hurling successes more recent.
I cant say the same thing about the club scene as geographically , Galway is very polarised and very few , if any, strong dual clubs.
There have been a small number of clubs who have made efforts to squeeze out the minority code, but to be fair these are the exceptions rather than the rule

anotheralias (Galway) - Posts: 839 - 16/03/2022 17:03:41    2405763

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Hurling in counties like Louth, Monaghan, Longford etc is in an awful state.

3 or 4 hurling clubs in most of these counties and they are hurling clubs in football villages and are struggling more than ever to keep young lads interested.

The likes of Louth wouldn't win the Kilkenny or Cork junior club hurling championship.

Past hurler (None) - Posts: 714 - 19/03/2022 07:48:10    2405776

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "I'd just like to add to the above that there is no real interest in football in Cork or indeed Limerick. In the oughties Limerick and Cork had two two relatively good teams and had some great battles. Yet at the the end of the decade, in '09, when they met in the Munster Final in Cork ,there was only 9,000 people at it. When they meet in a Munster Hurling there will always be close to 50, 000 and thousands of would be attenders will be unable to attend, because of lack of space."
I'd agree. I worked with people from Cork, and they'd have a picture of the hurling team on their desk, but could hardly tell you anything about the football team. I felt sorry for their footballers. Some top players - Nemo! - and not enough people care.

Mind you, boot is on the other foot for Tyrone hurlers, God love them - I remember being embarrassed, years ago, there was a double header at home, Tyrone football team playing first and the Tyrone hurling team playing immediately afterwards. Pretty much all the Tyrone fans left after the football game was over!

The Tyrone hurlers came out onto the pitch to be greeted by the sight of thousands of Tyrone fans streaming out the gate.

Even when we were already in our seats, and our ticket covered the hurling match too, we still got up and left, rather than watch the hurling.

I left too, but I did at least feel embarrassed ...

essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 1141 - 20/03/2022 14:56:09    2405922

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