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Planning? Well given that they conceded four goals to the Dubs in Killarney only a matter of weeks ago, perhaps some adjustments should be made to their plans. Kerry have a class forward line (as is usually the case with the Kingdom) but IMO they still haven't learned to defend. Maybe they can fix this over the next few months but I'm sceptical that they'll beat the Dubs this year. Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 13/07/2021 13:26:54 2359380 Link 0 |
You really are setting yourself up to fail here. We won the one that mattered the most in 2012. We then lifted Sam in front of you. We then proceeded to take Sam back to the Hills. We then kept Sam in the hills for 12 months. Sam travelled all over Donegal. The Donegal people got to witness something 99% of Mayo folk haven't yet witnessed and may never witness. But yes, that one hurt that one day in Ballybofey in 2018.
MurphBalls (Donegal) - Posts: 178 - 13/07/2021 13:32:27 2359383 Link 1 |
"The one that matters most?" They all matter; that's the nature of knockout championship football. I'm sure Donegal took all of those subsequent games as seriously as Mayo did in 2012. Would you believe that I actually travelled to that final (2012) with a good friend of mine from Ballyshannon, we were both based abroad at the time and got the two tickets issued to our GAA club abroad. He asked if I'd swap a ticket with him so that he could sit and watch the game with his father, no problem. I was actually somewhat glad of that decision in the first ten minutes of the game! At the end of the game, I shook hands with him and went out for the evening. No issue with Donegal folk enjoying their win back then, which was fully deserved. Although you had a couple of guys with Mayo roots in that side (Papa Durcan and Murphy) now that I think of it... What I reiterate is that one or two trolls on here are a little cheeky with some of the anti-Mayo slagging. To a certain point we have to accept jibes from the Dublins and Kerrys of this world, who are regularly lifting Sam. But if you come from a county that's actually won less than us than you have to expect some crossfire back in your direction. As for eternity...it's a long time. I'm sure people once thought that Armagh and Tyrone might never win an All-Ireland, that Limerick or Galway wouldn't win Liam again, that Tipp or Clare wouldn't win a Munster SFC title. And I don't really worry about what people might say on here too much, it's not too big a deal in the great scheme of things. Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 13/07/2021 14:04:14 2359405 Link 1 |
Cheeky? You brought up the times you beat Donegal in a league game and Championship quarter finals. The fact of the matter is we beat you in 2012 FINAL when Sam was on the line. Donegal got over the line quite emphatically, on the day, where the scoreline actually flattered Mayo. You go on as if you have won Sam recently. You may have won more than Donegal the last 130 years or so but you haven't won it in an age. So come off your high horse where you think you are entitled to be labelled as something you're not. Also, cool story. MurphBalls (Donegal) - Posts: 178 - 13/07/2021 14:56:26 2359430 Link 1 |
I mean overall , not head to head, including club etc, women's game , the lot.
AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 13/07/2021 15:17:31 2359440 Link 0 |
I don't bring it up unless some galoot from your county goes on an anti-Mayo rant, which unfortunately happens on a regular basis from one particular poster. In those circumstances, I'm perfectly entitled to draw attention to it. Would you take sh*t from someone slagging your county? Your response here suggests not. And you mightn't like it, but the fact that Mayo have won more across the board is still true, and won't be false til Donegal go on a winning spree through the grades. So fair play to you on winning in 2012, it was fully deserved as I've said. But that was almost a decade ago at this point and we've beaten ye three times in championship action since. I'm sceptical that anyone other than Dublin will be winning Sam in the near future, but let's see. I'd also disagree that four points is emphatic (SOS also missed a goal chance in the last few minutes that would have made it a lot more interesting), but that's by the by. Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 13/07/2021 16:01:39 2359455 Link 1 |
I mean overall , not head to head, including club etc, women's game , the lot."]I'm not going to do your research for you. But Wikipedia has all the relevant info if you want to check it out, across all the grades. What county are you from, btw? Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 13/07/2021 16:12:03 2359461 Link 0 |
I re-watched the full match to try and understand or focus on mistakes by Donegal, and made the following key notes. - The four Donegal subs (Murphy, MacNiallais, Brennan, McCole) introduced on the 48th minute resulted in a 5 point score turn around, proving that we finished the game with far stronger team. If management do that against Tyrone, we will be out on our arses next week. - Donegal gave possession away easily 7 times (Non tackle/turnover), which combined with a couple of goalkeeping mistakes, resulted in 4 or 5 Derry points, which ordinarily should have resulted in a few Donegal points. - The three easy Donegal wides in the first 10-15 minutes combined with a number of very sloppy passes, allowed Derry to take an early lead and implemented their defensive counter attacking game, and at no point did they have to chase the game until the 70th minute when Michael Murphy free finally gave us the lead. - Derry half forwards were able to out muscle or get away from our defenders in the half back line a few times which resulted in scores, I believe this has been a common theme, leaves our full back line exposed and swamped, which has seen them take criticism for defensive lapses. - Derry team has a strong spine the full length of the pitch, McGuigan, McFaul, Bradley/Glass, McKinless, Rogers and McKaigue are serious players by any standard. This quality enabled them to efficiently take full advantage of Donegal's mistakes and they were so close to winning it. The were the better team for 60-70% of the match. In summary Donegal management got many of the match-ups wrong, underestimated the physical strength of Derry and fielded a weakened side for 47 minutes. Commodore (Donegal) - Posts: 1106 - 13/07/2021 16:41:59 2359469 Link 1 |
I re-watched the full match to try and understand or focus on mistakes by Donegal, and made the following key notes. - The four Donegal subs (Murphy, MacNiallais, Brennan, McCole) introduced on the 48th minute resulted in a 5 point score turn around, proving that we finished the game with far stronger team. If management do that against Tyrone, we will be out on our arses next week. - Donegal gave possession away easily 7 times (Non tackle/turnover), which combined with a couple of goalkeeping mistakes, resulted in 4 or 5 Derry points, which ordinarily should have resulted in a few Donegal points. - The three easy Donegal wides in the first 10-15 minutes combined with a number of very sloppy passes, allowed Derry to take an early lead and implemented their defensive counter attacking game, and at no point did they have to chase the game until the 70th minute when Michael Murphy free finally gave us the lead. - Derry half forwards were able to out muscle or get away from our defenders in the half back line a few times which resulted in scores, I believe this has been a common theme, leaves our full back line exposed and swamped, which has seen them take criticism for defensive lapses. - Derry team has a strong spine the full length of the pitch, McGuigan, McFaul, Bradley/Glass, McKinless, Rogers and McKaigue are serious players by any standard. This quality enabled them to efficiently take full advantage of Donegal's mistakes and they were so close to winning it. The were the better team for 60-70% of the match. In summary Donegal management got many of the match-ups wrong, underestimated the physical strength of Derry and fielded a weakened side for 47 minutes."]There were people crying about Murphy starting against down. He was rested last week because he obviously not fit to last a game. Brennan was deemed a liability last year as was Mc Cole all of a sudden now they are better players than the team that started. As for Mc niallas listening to bonner he was only back training since the Tuesday after the down game so maybe management felt he hadn't a full game in him. The way I look at it the subs made a big difference and maybe bonner and rochford deserve a bit of praise for that itself. Hindsight is a great thing. So in other Words I don't agree with anything you say . A lot of teams tend to finish with a stronger side so in my eyes that was the winning of last Sunday's game. Another point that wasn't mentioned if Donegal lost last Sunday bonner and rochford would have been slated for not substituting Mc brearty but now because he scored that wonderful point it wasn't mentioned as the saying goes football is a funny old game. Last Sunday is over look ahead to next Sunday we all know last Sunday's display won't get us past Tyrone but we live in hope. rorysboys (Donegal) - Posts: 2391 - 13/07/2021 19:10:26 2359506 Link 1 |
Excellent analysis lads .. sure was a game of close margins… best of luck in the semi final. Curlew66 (Roscommon) - Posts: 504 - 13/07/2021 21:16:18 2359557 Link 0 |
Your a great man for the stats Gleebo, those All Ireland final losses are well remembered by a man like yourself, I can appreciate that, I can't rem them all tbh but you seem to have a great memory for games from years ago, I rem the 92 and 2012 finals very well though, I suppose certain games just stand out in the memory, Murphy's goal in 2012 was a fantastic moment, I think the Mayo crowd knew right then they were going to lose again that day. I think we beat Mayo in semi final in '92 as well? I suppose we haven't met that many times in Championship. won't happen again this year anyway, we'll look forward to meeting ye in the league next season anyway, plenty Ulster teams in div 1 to test ye out. Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2739 - 13/07/2021 23:35:15 2359619 Link 1 |