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Well my point is over the last few years on a number of times opponents have tried to exploit a perceived aerial problem in Dublin's defence by posting a big man on the edge of the square and firing long ball on top of him, it has yielded very poor results, so this perceived susceptibility is exactly that, perceived, not real. In contrast Donaghy done serious damage to Mayo when put in front of goal.
sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 677 - 20/02/2021 21:01:06 2332203 Link 2 |
Well my point is over the last few years on a number of times opponents have tried to exploit a perceived aerial problem in Dublin's defence by posting a big man on the edge of the square and firing long ball on top of him, it has yielded very poor results, so this perceived susceptibility is exactly that, perceived, not real. In contrast Donaghy done serious damage to Mayo when put in front of goal. As regards Dublin setting up defensively I think you have inadvertently figured that one out yourself, if Michael Murphy wearing no.14 spends nearly all his time behind his own 45, Dublin are not going to press fwd and leave themselves vulnerable, we learned that lesson and we know where the defensive set ups started.
sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 677 - 20/02/2021 21:07:28 2332205 Link 1 |
Yes Joe but the reason they did it is because it was one chink in Cluxton armour. However it became hard to expose with a sweeper and double marking. I remember in 14 also he got caught for a goal v Donegal high ball and v Cork in league semi final i think 14 also where he was caught badly under high ball. He did improve over time and also had plenty of help at the back. On Donaghy he was unlucky not to get a penalty in 15 final with high ball but that was nt Cluxton fault. Even the greatest have faults. No one is perfect but as a keeper he is a close as you get.
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3675 - 20/02/2021 21:43:24 2332215 Link 0 |
The Damien Comer goal in the semi final. The ball he dropped into the net unchallenged v Down up in Newry. Geaney's goal in the semi final. The list is longer than Dublin fans care to admit.
cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5012 - 20/02/2021 22:19:32 2332219 Link 8 |
I'm sure you can get a few more, you've 20 years to go back through.
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13707 - 20/02/2021 23:31:52 2332225 Link 3 |
In 2014 Cluxton goes up with Murphy and the ball breaks away from the Donegal man. Rory O'Carroll drops the ball and McHugh buries it. The fact that it routinely goes down as a Cluxton error says a lot imo. Not that he hasn't made errors, plenty over the 20 years of League and Championship football he has played. High balls are dangerous to all defences. Dublin cope much better than most from aerial bombardment. Dublin's defence, over the last decade, has been at its most vulverable whe teams ran at it in numbers. Most Dubs are quite happy when we see a team decide to lump it in long for awhile as we know there is minimal threat. The opposition may score but they'll waste a good few possessions to get that score. MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13707 - 20/02/2021 23:39:29 2332227 Link 5 |
This really i was delighted when Kerry started knocking the ball in high for the first 20 mins in the second game in 19, i couldn't get my head around it . In a way i think it contributed to them loosing the game as they missed getting that early momentum and the best chance for any team is the first 20 mins vs Dublin, Dublin the past couple of years dont really start games well. I think its a good way to beat Dublin in the league, but Champo forget about it. I believe its modeled in traiingng if you are coming up against a Comer, Murphy McShane, or Aido, on the balance of probabilities you always get a break but its not a consistent method of scoring enough to beat Dublin. Believe we also play play 20 Vs 15 in our A vs B games if we are coming up against a blanket defense. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 21/02/2021 09:23:03 2332244 Link 5 |
It isnt the same thing though. They done well when they stuck extra men back there because they were aware of their own weakness. You are right, donaghy done damage against mayo, but that was when they didnt adapt their gameplan. When they did a few years later they stopped him. Does that mean that mayo are therefore good in the air at the back? I would say no, the same way dublin are not good in the air at the back. The fact that both teams needed such extreme moves to counteract it shows that the weakness is more than perceived, in their own managers eyes at least. Actually I would argue dublin set up defensively to counteract goals for the most part, as they know that if they dont concede them, they probably outscore most teams. HardCase (USA) - Posts: 64 - 21/02/2021 09:45:18 2332246 Link 1 |
Bias from Marty and RTE , DEan Rock introduced as Dublin's leading scorer in the Championship yet no word about C O Connor the leading scorer of all times in the Championship . jacktheboy (Donegal) - Posts: 405 - 21/02/2021 09:53:49 2332248 Link 2 |
Sean Quigley scored 2 goals against Dublin in 15 from high balls. Sligo Joe only sees what he wants to see.
FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2763 - 21/02/2021 10:32:45 2332251 Link 2 |
Make more than one save in a year. Also I thought some of his kickouts this year not to the same high standards as other years.
MillerX (Meath) - Posts: 1062 - 21/02/2021 11:49:22 2332260 Link 0 |
And you see what you want to see ! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVRg_UBgXSw superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 21/02/2021 11:54:31 2332262 Link 1 |
Yea was goodnight to see Quigley testing Cluxton
FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2763 - 21/02/2021 13:16:36 2332275 Link 0 |
This video shows Fermanagh scoring two goals does it not?
oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 21/02/2021 13:18:51 2332276 Link 0 |
"Sean Quigley scored 2 goals against Dublin in 15 from high balls. Sligo Joe only sees what he wants to see."
superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 21/02/2021 13:53:06 2332281 Link 1 |
Testing ? Have another look -:)
superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 21/02/2021 14:10:19 2332284 Link 3 |