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The blanket defence revolutionised the goalkeeping game. Next you'll be saying Sean Cavanagh is responsible for the black card. The other lazy incorrect line repeatedly thrown out by the so called experts. cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 4977 - 15/12/2020 13:09:33 2322596 Link 9 |
Well posted Joxer. The problem with a Goalie though is unlike a forward you can only pick one and the one that catches the eye the most often gets it although if you did the stats they might not have. Years ago a great Goalie was a great shot stopper. Nowadays it's much more. Even if they never make a save they have huge influence now with kickouts and none better than Cluxton at that. Watching some old footage some goalies did nt even take kickouts. The full back did. I always say he greatest keeper of all time not cos if his medals but by the way he has defined the game. He s no spring chicken and yet still one of the top (if not 1) goalies still. As I've also said one of his greatest strengths is even if he errs he comes back stronger. Is he perfect? No.Others maybe a little better under high ball. The perfect Keeper has not yet been created but Cluxton is as close as you ll get. I lost faith in the all stars years ago. As you pointed out Scully never comes near an all star but crucial to Dublin the last few years.
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3625 - 15/12/2020 13:26:12 2322605 Link 0 |
Seán Kavanagh was not responsible persaid for the black card. It was decided to bring it in before his infamous rugby tackle anyway. However it was fouls like that and similar to it being the reason for its introduction. The hurling fraternity are proud not to have a black card but from watching this year's hurling I won't be surprised if one is introduced in hurling as well soon.
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3625 - 15/12/2020 13:32:34 2322610 Link 1 |
Exactly, it was already coming in. Likewise, once the blanket defence became so fashionable (poor teams copying Donegal 2011 style but not evolving like Donegal did) the goalkeeper's role changed. Now cluxton was already fond of short kickouts to a running teammate rather than a long 50/50 ball to midfield. But nobody copied him. Kerry for example still won plenty of all irelands because they could kick to the likes of Darragh O'Shea. But when the blanket defence left 2 or 3 backs unmarked, every keeper started to play short kickoits to them. But not before then. cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 4977 - 15/12/2020 13:51:16 2322617 Link 10 |
So what you mean is that the blanket defence created a problem that was overcome by Cluxton adapting the traditional goalkeeper distribution methods, of short kick-outs and hoofing aimlessly long balls to midfield, to instead pinpoint his own players 45 yards+ up the field with placed balls into their open arms. Other keepers, such as Niall Morgan, have concentrated on this particular skill and have developed it into an art form.
Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4698 - 15/12/2020 15:37:03 2322658 Link 10 |
No. The blanket defence gifted free possession to the stronger team. So good kickouts weren't exactly a benefit. The blanket defence that weaker teams put out was overcome due to a lack of ability of those teams to hurt strong opposition at the other end. So they'd eventually be beaten 0-12 to 0-07 etc. In 2017, the best example of a strong team picking apart the blanket defence of another strong team was Dublin v Tyrone. It was done by holding the ball outside the defensive zone patiently and working an eventual opening. cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 4977 - 15/12/2020 19:59:38 2322724 Link 10 |
Most teams play an exhausting high press/blanket retreat game these days. Kerry normally do it, but abandoned it versus Cork and decided to gift Cork possession, paying the price for it. Mayo generally press and retreat. Cluxton has the ability to bypass the press very effectively. His range is astounding. Morgan isn't far behind. Great weapon to have in the arsenal.
Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4698 - 16/12/2020 10:46:32 2322824 Link 6 |
Cluxton no goals conceeded in 6 games. Wow. Dublin defence, wow. daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 19/12/2020 19:04:40 2323937 Link 2 |
His kickouts were all Mayo had to cling onto today really. Very very poor. Raymond Galligan will be right to feel very aggrieved if he's overlooked this year. cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 4977 - 19/12/2020 20:49:58 2324094 Link 9 |
I think Galligan will get it. But its tokenism. That's all. Cluxton has been the best goalie this year.
daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 19/12/2020 21:39:41 2324169 Link 2 |
Ah sure give all 15 to the dubs and let's be done with it....does anyone really care anymore? mayotyroneman (Tyrone) - Posts: 1821 - 19/12/2020 21:43:59 2324176 Link 0 |
No. He hasn't. He's had little to do. And of the, what, 10 kickouts he's been under pressure for all championship, he's kicked away about 8 of those. cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 4977 - 19/12/2020 23:14:10 2324250 Link 10 |
Yes he has , no goals conceded ,do you have links to the what 10 kickouts bla bla . hes kicked away about 8 ?? Pure bitter nonsense . superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 20/12/2020 00:46:52 2324308 Link 3 |
Taught the Sunday Game team was fairly on the money, probably would have picked Mcdaid ahead of Murchan, Eoghan McLaughlin not far away too, footballer of the year is tough, the 3 mentioned would all be worthy winners. bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 20/12/2020 01:02:07 2324317 Link 0 |
Links? The first half tonight, he went long 6 times. Mayo won all 6. It kept them in the game for far longer than they should've been. He failed to get another past the 21 and it was thrown up. He didn't have a good game tonight, and in terms of the all star, he needed one to overtake Galligan. He won't worry. He has his 8th celtic cross. But he doesn't deserve the all star this year. cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 4977 - 20/12/2020 01:12:45 2324322 Link 9 |
Oh and for what it's worth, the Sunday game chose Galligan on their team of the year. cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 4977 - 20/12/2020 01:21:03 2324324 Link 8 |
Dublin would have won with Dustin the Turkey in goals. Cluxton has had nothing to do this year, again. Gallighan has undoubtedly been the most influential goalkeeper this year.
IamADragon (Cavan) - Posts: 302 - 20/12/2020 03:19:20 2324343 Link 0 |
14 dubs and cillian O'Connor???? royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 20/12/2020 08:06:46 2324355 Link 0 |
He didn't have a save to make against Cavan or Mayo. That's more down to the defence then Cluxton. No need for the hysterics.
FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2752 - 20/12/2020 08:59:30 2324365 Link 0 |
No question but the dubs should be well represented. But this business of 12 players from all ireland finalists should stop. We need to recognise the league as well . Niall scully is a super player but would kerry swap sos or dc for him. Not a chance in hell. In Galway we wouldnt swap shane walsh for him either. Dublin are a super team but that doesnt mean they should all deserve individual awards. anotheralias (Galway) - Posts: 830 - 20/12/2020 14:43:24 2324584 Link 0 |