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Leinster Club Championship - Carlow Still Rising

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Great achievement to get St Mullins and Eire og in Finals
Both will be underdogs but don't discount an upset

Blackbog (Carlow) - Posts: 704 - 23/11/2019 20:37:38    2251027

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Éire Óg are a in with some serious pedigree in Leinster to be fair and Mount Leinster Rangers showed that Carlow clubs have the ability to compete in Leinster.

Well done all.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13705 - 23/11/2019 21:03:52    2251032

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Replying To Blackbog:  "Great achievement to get St Mullins and Eire og in Finals
Both will be underdogs but don't discount an upset"
I sincerely hope the decision makers in Croke Park never introduce the Back Door system to the senior provincial club championships, the positive difference it makes to the weaker counties in div. 4 counties to play without that Back Door, well done to St. Mullins ( Senior Hurling) and Eire Og (Senior Football) in reaching their respective Leinster Finals.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2907 - 23/11/2019 21:26:29    2251034

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Hope you are right supersub. It won't happen as the GAA don't really care about clubs anyway.. They want those games just played off and out od the way..

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 23/11/2019 22:27:36    2251046

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Replying To supersub15:  "I sincerely hope the decision makers in Croke Park never introduce the Back Door system to the senior provincial club championships, the positive difference it makes to the weaker counties in div. 4 counties to play without that Back Door, well done to St. Mullins ( Senior Hurling) and Eire Og (Senior Football) in reaching their respective Leinster Finals."
Congratulation to all connected with both clubs. Great to see a county with such a small population having teams in both codes doing so well.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4317 - 23/11/2019 22:44:56    2251049

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Replying To Blackbog:  "Great achievement to get St Mullins and Eire og in Finals
Both will be underdogs but don't discount an upset"
I'm not sure that Eire Og will be underdogs. They were very impressive tonight and neither Ballyboden nor Garrycastle will take them lightly.

midlands (Westmeath) - Posts: 541 - 23/11/2019 22:53:04    2251053

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Replying To supersub15:  "I sincerely hope the decision makers in Croke Park never introduce the Back Door system to the senior provincial club championships, the positive difference it makes to the weaker counties in div. 4 counties to play without that Back Door, well done to St. Mullins ( Senior Hurling) and Eire Og (Senior Football) in reaching their respective Leinster Finals."
Fair play to both. The beauty of the club championship is seeing teams from so many counties achieving at provincial level. We've had clubs from Antrim winning both football and hurling All-Irelands, not to mention countless other provincial champions from different counties.
The justification for the back door at intercounty level was to ensure teams got more than one championship game. There was a definite argument for that.
It would make no sense at provincial club level, as clubs have already had a number of games to win their own county title. There's also the condensing of the championship into the calendar year, so it definitely won't be happening.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2037 - 24/11/2019 10:19:06    2251076

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If there was any justice for clubs the club all Ireland's would be in time to be played on the Halloween bank holiday weekend. At junior, intermediate and senior level, both codes. It would be an amazing weekend and still reasonably good weather.

Stooker (Leitrim) - Posts: 63 - 24/11/2019 10:47:46    2251079

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Replying To midlands:  "I'm not sure that Eire Og will be underdogs. They were very impressive tonight and neither Ballyboden nor Garrycastle will take them lightly."
Fair point. But they were underdogs against Sarsfields and Portlaoise
I did tip them early in Carlow Championship .

Blackbog (Carlow) - Posts: 704 - 24/11/2019 11:11:34    2251084

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Replying To Stooker:  "If there was any justice for clubs the club all Ireland's would be in time to be played on the Halloween bank holiday weekend. At junior, intermediate and senior level, both codes. It would be an amazing weekend and still reasonably good weather."
Great idea stooker. It would make for a marvellous weekend. The current situation where we have loads of sundays in June/July with minimum club activity is unsustainable.

Semperfidelis (Carlow) - Posts: 131 - 24/11/2019 11:33:27    2251085

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its a remarkable achievement seeing as its a small county in area, big enough population mind but still to get to senior finals in both codes is outstanding. this is no flash in the pan either, Carlow have been always competitive in both codes.

preddan (Kildare) - Posts: 734 - 24/11/2019 12:58:45    2251095

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Replying To Semperfidelis:  "Great idea stooker. It would make for a marvellous weekend. The current situation where we have loads of sundays in June/July with minimum club activity is unsustainable."
Great results recently for Carlow GAA, with Eire Og winning last night, and St. Mullins the previous Sunday.
2 teams in Leinster provincial finals, fantastic achievement.

thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1735 - 24/11/2019 13:20:39    2251099

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Replying To thelongridge:  "Great results recently for Carlow GAA, with Eire Og winning last night, and St. Mullins the previous Sunday.
2 teams in Leinster provincial finals, fantastic achievement."
I imagine the same feat has been achieved by Dublin Offaly and possibly Laois in the past , is that correct ?

Blackbog (Carlow) - Posts: 704 - 24/11/2019 14:25:09    2251107

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Replying To preddan:  "its a remarkable achievement seeing as its a small county in area, big enough population mind but still to get to senior finals in both codes is outstanding. this is no flash in the pan either, Carlow have been always competitive in both codes."
CARLOW has the 3rd lowest population , just in front of Longford and Leitrim.
However Monaghan is similar population to Carlow and fight well above their weight in football if not Hurling
Population of course is not the full story. There are many other Varients .
Hurling is Carlow is a bit like in Offaly only on a smaller scale. It's very much the south of the county bordering Kilkenny and Wexford. THE hurling community all support the county champions as does the football community

Blackbog (Carlow) - Posts: 704 - 24/11/2019 14:32:52    2251109

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Replying To WanPintWin:  "
Replying To supersub15:  "I sincerely hope the decision makers in Croke Park never introduce the Back Door system to the senior provincial club championships, the positive difference it makes to the weaker counties in div. 4 counties to play without that Back Door, well done to St. Mullins ( Senior Hurling) and Eire Og (Senior Football) in reaching their respective Leinster Finals."
Fair play to both. The beauty of the club championship is seeing teams from so many counties achieving at provincial level. We've had clubs from Antrim winning both football and hurling All-Irelands, not to mention countless other provincial champions from different counties.
The justification for the back door at intercounty level was to ensure teams got more than one championship game. There was a definite argument for that.
It would make no sense at provincial club level, as clubs have already had a number of games to win their own county title. There's also the condensing of the championship into the calendar year, so it definitely won't be happening."
WanPintWin (Galway) With respect, imo, The beauty of the club championship is seeing teams from so many "weaker" counties achieving at provincial level and national level .ie - - -
Baltinglass - Wicklow, Leinster and All Ireland success
Eire Og - Carlow, Leinster champions (5) and 3 All Ireland apperances
O'Hanrahann's - Carlow, Leinster champions (1)
Mount Leinster Rangers - Carlow, Leinster champions senior hurling and All Ireland appearance. (1)
Mullinaughta - Longford, - Leinster champions - (1)

Massive success for the above div. 4 teams / counties. Back door not included.
Where as no success at inter county level, Back door included.
The justification for the back door at intercounty level was to ensure the turn stiles clicked not once but twice, anything after that was a bonus for whoever.
The introduction of the "Super 8's and with it came extra games and indirectly brought with it multiple Back Door's

At provincial level, teams are now playing, not club football but National club football, and so with most club game now going to be televised it's only a matter of time before the Back Door is part of it,.

PS. It's ironic to say that after the introduction of the Back Door system, your own beloved Galway was the first county to win the Sam Maguire.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2907 - 24/11/2019 21:27:19    2251191

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Despite our club champions getting to the leinster final, Carlow don't get to play in the leinster county championship.

I know it's not the same thing but it has to get people thinking of a way to get Carlow, Westmeath and others more games at the highest level.

I can't believe how good Carlow have got in the last 2 years.

carlovia (None) - Posts: 1517 - 25/11/2019 20:01:13    2251403

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Congrats Carlow & St. Mullens & Nearly got a heart attack in the Junior game. Big congrats to the Wex team too. ...and now the wait for morning. Hope it's not close tomorrow, can't handle it at 9am.

Gowran_Yank (Kilkenny) - Posts: 96 - 30/11/2019 15:05:05    2252265

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Replying To supersub15:  "
Replying To WanPintWin:  "[quote=supersub15:  "I sincerely hope the decision makers in Croke Park never introduce the Back Door system to the senior provincial club championships, the positive difference it makes to the weaker counties in div. 4 counties to play without that Back Door, well done to St. Mullins ( Senior Hurling) and Eire Og (Senior Football) in reaching their respective Leinster Finals."
Fair play to both. The beauty of the club championship is seeing teams from so many counties achieving at provincial level. We've had clubs from Antrim winning both football and hurling All-Irelands, not to mention countless other provincial champions from different counties.
The justification for the back door at intercounty level was to ensure teams got more than one championship game. There was a definite argument for that.
It would make no sense at provincial club level, as clubs have already had a number of games to win their own county title. There's also the condensing of the championship into the calendar year, so it definitely won't be happening."
WanPintWin (Galway) With respect, imo, The beauty of the club championship is seeing teams from so many "weaker" counties achieving at provincial level and national level .ie - - -
Baltinglass - Wicklow, Leinster and All Ireland success
Eire Og - Carlow, Leinster champions (5) and 3 All Ireland apperances
O'Hanrahann's - Carlow, Leinster champions (1)
Mount Leinster Rangers - Carlow, Leinster champions senior hurling and All Ireland appearance. (1)
Mullinaughta - Longford, - Leinster champions - (1)

Massive success for the above div. 4 teams / counties. Back door not included.
Where as no success at inter county level, Back door included.
The justification for the back door at intercounty level was to ensure the turn stiles clicked not once but twice, anything after that was a bonus for whoever.
The introduction of the "Super 8's and with it came extra games and indirectly brought with it multiple Back Door's

At provincial level, teams are now playing, not club football but National club football, and so with most club game now going to be televised it's only a matter of time before the Back Door is part of it,.

PS. It's ironic to say that after the introduction of the Back Door system, your own beloved Galway was the first county to win the Sam Maguire."]There's absolutely no logic for a backdoor in provincial club. I can think of multiple arguments against it. Teams have played multiple games already in their own county championship. There's pressure on the calendar as it is. It wouldn't even generate much more money due to the smaller attendances at club level.
You seem to be almost hoping it happens so you can give out about it. There's as much chance of it happening as Padraic Joyce calling me up to the county squad.
There was a definite argument for an extra game in the intercounty championship. You had teams training for months and then it was all over after one game for half the teams in the country.
The club championship is the best competition in my opinion. The wider spread of teams and stories of success of small communities are what the GAA is all about.
P.S. At the risk of being pedantic. It would be ironic if I thought the intercounty backdoor was a bad idea, given that Galway benefited from it in 2001. Since I think it was a good idea, it's most definitely not ironic.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2037 - 30/11/2019 21:54:32    2252387

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