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"The people who are living in a place , whether it's inner city Dublin or rural Leitrim or Galway ought to have precedence over anyone else.
No one there has any objections to matches or a reasonable number of concerts. It's the constantly changing terms that worry people.
GAA people should also be wondering if maybe all these concerts are not too conveniently being facilitated by a reduced season."
People are entitled to feel a 'sense of precedence' in their community so to speak but not at the detriment of progress or others. The residents around Croke Park aren't the only people who live in this city. There's been no concerts in Croke Park since 2018 so I'm not sure what you're referring to when you state its 'constantly changing terms that worry people'?
Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 844 - 03/12/2021 16:24:10
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Replying To supersub15: "# Square B,
The minority of people you are referring to numbers at least 1000 this number does not include business people so with that in mind they are very much entitled to voice their objections and take it from there.
Because you yourself are very much in the minority you are not at all entitled to stop the progress those people are making however slowly in trying to live out their lives in the comfort of their own homes with the very minimum of disruption, inconveniencs, etc, etc, etc, and unnecessary noise levels." Even if we're to believe your figure of one thousand (what's your source for this?), it's very clear it's a minority in the local area.
Not sure what you're trying to say in your next point... it doesn't make much sence to be honest however as I've said thank god we have a planning process that cuts through all the bull and adjudicates on issues like this. People are free to move out of the area if it doesnt suit their lives. Croke Park isn't going to be moving anywhere anytime soon. Whilst being a 'good' neighbour is very important, it's not at the detriment of the wishes of the minority.
Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 844 - 03/12/2021 16:34:18
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BarneyGrant, your last paragraph sums it up. Get the GAA season over to free up more time. All these ideas about player welfare and breaks in season are made with other things in mind.
Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2006 - 03/12/2021 17:28:13
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Replying To supersub15: "# Square B,
The minority of people you are referring to numbers at least 1000 this number does not include business people so with that in mind they are very much entitled to voice their objections and take it from there.
Because you yourself are very much in the minority you are not at all entitled to stop the progress those people are making however slowly in trying to live out their lives in the comfort of their own homes with the very minimum of disruption, inconveniencs, etc, etc, etc, and unnecessary noise levels." Maybe we should stop all the traffic going thru that part of our city as well and I'm sure you will also get 1000 signatures. for that project, maybe more ! - traffic all year round generating high noise levels. You will find (in the real world ) that the 1000 is made up by a couple of individuals who went around canvassing signatures as happens in all these cases. Your idea of progress is different than mine obviously! I have no problem with anyone objecting but do not expect everything to be closed down for 1000 signatures.
browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 03/12/2021 18:45:42
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Replying To Saynothing: "BarneyGrant, your last paragraph sums it up. Get the GAA season over to free up more time. All these ideas about player welfare and breaks in season are made with other things in mind." You do realise that the money earned from these concerts fund the GAA or do you think the money magically appears from somewhere? Are you suggesting that the GAA should not utilise the asset it has? Not sure what player welfare has to do with this.... these games are outside the championship season... are you suggesting that the championship should be extended or something? The overall GAA season is practically all year round so I'm not sure what you're really talking about to be honest. You'd be probably better 'Talk to Joe' let's be honest because you'd make as much sense.
Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 844 - 03/12/2021 19:32:20
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Replying To browncows: "Maybe we should stop all the traffic going thru that part of our city as well and I'm sure you will also get 1000 signatures. for that project, maybe more ! - traffic all year round generating high noise levels. You will find (in the real world ) that the 1000 is made up by a couple of individuals who went around canvassing signatures as happens in all these cases. Your idea of progress is different than mine obviously! I have no problem with anyone objecting but do not expect everything to be closed down for 1000 signatures." Stopping traffic from outside the area would certainly help would stop people coming into the area when events are taking place and abandoning cars anywhere they see a space because the Garda manning barriers certainly doesn't work. I can never understand why people insist on driving to Croke Park. Nobody drives to Annfield or Old Trafford.
All this talk about just move if you don't like it. As I have stated previously my mother is 86 has alzheimers born and bred in Ballybough inherited the house from her mother. Where do you suggest we move her to. Suppose we could just sell up and put her in a nursing home and that would be one less resident to be considered
Liffeylad (Dublin) - Posts: 74 - 03/12/2021 21:05:29
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Replying To Liffeylad: "Stopping traffic from outside the area would certainly help would stop people coming into the area when events are taking place and abandoning cars anywhere they see a space because the Garda manning barriers certainly doesn't work. I can never understand why people insist on driving to Croke Park. Nobody drives to Annfield or Old Trafford.
All this talk about just move if you don't like it. As I have stated previously my mother is 86 has alzheimers born and bred in Ballybough inherited the house from her mother. Where do you suggest we move her to. Suppose we could just sell up and put her in a nursing home and that would be one less resident to be considered" There's more residents in Ballybough than you and your mother to consider. And as sad as it is that she has alzheimers, that really doesn't have anything to do with how Croke Park conduct their affairs. In an ideal world the area should be closed to traffic but If the cars 'abandoned' are legally parked what's the issue? The clampers will deal with the rest as they regularly do. As I've said there's more people living in this city than the residents around Croke Park and they exclusively are not entitled to halt progress. The reality is that people are free to go where they want if they want to avoid activity around Croke Park; your mother included. You don't live in a dictatorship where the needs of one person trumps that of the wider community.
Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 844 - 04/12/2021 09:55:47
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Replying To Liffeylad: "Stopping traffic from outside the area would certainly help would stop people coming into the area when events are taking place and abandoning cars anywhere they see a space because the Garda manning barriers certainly doesn't work. I can never understand why people insist on driving to Croke Park. Nobody drives to Annfield or Old Trafford.
All this talk about just move if you don't like it. As I have stated previously my mother is 86 has alzheimers born and bred in Ballybough inherited the house from her mother. Where do you suggest we move her to. Suppose we could just sell up and put her in a nursing home and that would be one less resident to be considered" That seems to be the attitude now. Older Irish people just an inconvenience amidst all the wonderful diversity.
BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2521 - 04/12/2021 10:39:59
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Replying To Square_B: "There's more residents in Ballybough than you and your mother to consider. And as sad as it is that she has alzheimers, that really doesn't have anything to do with how Croke Park conduct their affairs. In an ideal world the area should be closed to traffic but If the cars 'abandoned' are legally parked what's the issue? The clampers will deal with the rest as they regularly do. As I've said there's more people living in this city than the residents around Croke Park and they exclusively are not entitled to halt progress. The reality is that people are free to go where they want if they want to avoid activity around Croke Park; your mother included. You don't live in a dictatorship where the needs of one person trumps that of the wider community." We need no longer ask why so many elderly people were forgotten and died during this pandemic because your post has just answered it. Hope you feel very proud of yourself.
Liffeylad (Dublin) - Posts: 74 - 04/12/2021 12:28:15
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Replying To Liffeylad: "We need no longer ask why so many elderly people were forgotten and died during this pandemic because your post has just answered it. Hope you feel very proud of yourself." What a ridiculous comment. People will progress on without the likes of you and your friend Barney holding them back.
Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 844 - 04/12/2021 13:08:48
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Liffeylad (Dublin)
If it's any consolation let me say I'm saddened and aggrieved that you have been subjected to such insensitive posting however anonymous it may be, I'm far from being perfect myself but I know my limits.
Good health to you and your dear Mother from here on in.
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Replying To BarneyGrant: "That seems to be the attitude now. Older Irish people just an inconvenience amidst all the wonderful diversity." What's wrong with diversity Barney? We know you're not fond of the hotels being used for the 'undocumented'...
Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 844 - 04/12/2021 13:24:29
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Replying To Liffeylad: "We need no longer ask why so many elderly people were forgotten and died during this pandemic because your post has just answered it. Hope you feel very proud of yourself." Forgotten about? For the last 2 years every generation below the elderly have sacrificed their jobs, social life, doctor/dental care, travel and everything else in between for the elderly and vulnerable. This isn't a dig at the elderly but a bit of overall perspective wouldn't be out of line here!
SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2385 - 04/12/2021 14:35:46
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If it's any consolation let me say I'm saddened and aggrieved that you have been subjected to such insensitive posting however anonymous it may be, I'm far from being perfect myself but I know my limits.
Good health to you and your dear Mother from here on in." Thank you.
Liffeylad (Dublin) - Posts: 74 - 04/12/2021 14:55:38
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Replying To Square_B: "What's wrong with diversity Barney? We know you're not fond of the hotels being used for the 'undocumented'..." Spend a weekend in Rotherham or St. Denis or Charleroi and find out for yourself.
BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2521 - 04/12/2021 17:38:58
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Replying To BarneyGrant: "Spend a weekend in Rotherham or St. Denis or Charleroi and find out for yourself." Good man Barney, least we know where you stand. People with attitudes like you sicken me. Thank God people like you are a dying breed.
Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 844 - 04/12/2021 20:26:26
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Replying To Square_B: "Good man Barney, least we know where you stand. People with attitudes like you sicken me. Thank God people like you are a dying breed." Really?
Do you honestly think that Ireland is going to turn out any better than the places i mentioned?
I hope for all our sakes you are right, but there is no evidence to suggest that you are.
BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2521 - 05/12/2021 12:10:44
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All big outdoor gigs are rubbish anyway, regardkless of who's playing. Performer miles away. Sound disappears into the air. You watch them on a big screen. Thick necked bouncers and crush gates everywhere. I grew up on largely unsupervised small indoors gigs during the punk era, and they were great crack. It's all very soulless and bourgeois now. Small intimate gig beats a big and boring money-spinning event any day.
essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 1141 - 05/12/2021 12:37:35
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Am not a Garth Brooks fan by any stretch of the imagination, but let's face it....under the new master fixtures calendar, Croke Park is only going to be used for championship action between mid-April and end of July any year. In the earlier part of year, will probably only be used for Dublin's "home" NFL games, despite how it's apparently actually a neutral venue since Dublin's "home" ground is Parnell Park....yadda yadda yadda :)
So realistically, having such an asset stand empty for large parts of the year would make no sense whatsoever, and the sensible thing to do is to use it for other events such as concerts. I'd even expect to see more of them there in the future, around August/September each year.
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 756 - 25/11/2021 10:30:45
Croke Park isnt empty for large parts of the year though. Its used year round with the meetings and events and then the museum every day getting loads in the doors making money.
The Garth Brooks thing is a side issue.
Compressing the championship into 10/11 weeks is a disgrace. the biggest sporting events in Irish culture and it's almost as though they are a bit of an embarrassment to be gotten out of the way before Sky Super sundays and rugby friendlies take over again.
And before anyone starts, making sure that the Junior Ds are not denied a place in the sun has nothing whatsoever to do with senior inter county.
BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 312 - 25/11/2021 11:31:53 Compressing the championship isnt a bad thing but the championship and league should be combined or move the league so that the league isnt played to completion before the championship even starts. nobody has said that the all irelands are an embarrassment or that theyve to be gotten out of the way and dont be so dismissive of the soccer or rugby(and theyre not simply friendlies by the way...)
I think it's a case of, get it over with. I know Croke Park has to make money but to bend over backwards for a man who huffed when he only got 2 concerts the last time is what bugs me. No replays, condensed season wasn't brought in for player welfare, more like have a period of time when there was no chance of it been affected by running over time. Good luck to whoever wants to go . I'm not a resident living beside Croke Park but you have to think about them.
Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 990 - 25/11/2021 17:13:07
brooks in 2014 didnt get in a huff when he only got 2 concerts. he announced 2 originally and then due to demand for them he got 3 more announced and croke park hadnt got permission for the extras and brooks said he would only go with the 5 or none at all. no replays and a condensed season is about player welfare.
I love how easy people make it sound. If you don't like it sell up and move. My home has been in the family for over 90 years and has been passed down through generations. Croke Park was originally built as a sports stadium not a concert arena. Local people objected to the redevelopment because they knew what would happen. It should never have built in a residential area
Liffeylad (Dublin) - Posts: 49 - 27/11/2021 19:40:21 croke park was in existence before that. it was built as a sports stadium but all modern stadiums are much more than match day venues these days as they have museums, tours, conference centres etc as if they relied on match day revenue only they would be loss making and stadiums would close.
Concerts are a lot more disruptive than matches. I've been involved in clean ups both after matches and after concerts. Community clean ups after concerts are, quite frankly, disgusting. Vomit and human excrement to be found right outside people's front door
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13404 - 28/11/2021 10:00:00 same can be said after matches as well and having worked concerts and matches in hospitality and event management roles they are as bad as each other. fai cup final in aviva between bohs and pats last week was disgusting the amount of bodily fluids etc left in the stands and then vomit as well was disgusting....
For me I think some people have a over hostile attitude when it comes to Croke Park actually being used. It's a stadium so it's going to be used as a stadium which automatically involves many people coming into and out of the area. Of course when it's in use it should be managed well so as to mitigate disruption to locals and minimise safety risks for people going to/ from the stadium.
What happens in Croke park in terms of its use has a fairly mild impact compared to some other stadiums in other countries. In England a lot of the Premier League grounds are located in residential areas. For example in Liverpool one area has 2 club stadiums (Anfield and Goodison). The amount of games that are held there, which would bring big crowds into the area on working/ school nights would be huge. The same situation would exist in many other cities cross channel and in Europe.
bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 999 - 03/12/2021 11:23:14and many of those stadiums in europe used lot more than croke park is every year for matches....
All big outdoor gigs are rubbish anyway, regardkless of who's playing. Performer miles away. Sound disappears into the air. You watch them on a big screen. Thick necked bouncers and crush gates everywhere. I grew up on largely unsupervised small indoors gigs during the punk era, and they were great crack. It's all very soulless and bourgeois now. Small intimate gig beats a big and boring money-spinning event any day.
essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 1070 - 05/12/2021 12:37:35 nonsense.
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Do you honestly think that Ireland is going to turn out any better than the places i mentioned?
I hope for all our sakes you are right, but there is no evidence to suggest that you are." Stick to the GAA Barney... we don't need xenophobia round here.
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