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Tyrone for Sam 2017

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Replying To TakeyourPoint.:  "That is easier said than done though jimbodub.

Tyrones defense is incredibly patient. They wont commit to the tackle in areas where there is no danger. An example of this was the first two minutes of the Monaghan game. Tyrone didnt touch the ball for the first two minutes, then Monaghan got impatient, the player on the ball got isolated and Tyrone pounced and got a turnover and it resulted in a score i believe.

The referee is important in any game Tyrone play this year. Tyrones tackling is right on the edge of being a foul and if a particular referee deems these tackles as fouls then Tyrone are in trouble."
It has been though

Numerous times, and by all the teams who are gunning to win the AI this year

The question is have Tyrone improved?

From what I can see so far this year, it looks like you have the same problems.

You know what's coming when you play Tyrone, a very tough game indeed but not to the same degree as the 00's team

That team were capable of wiping you out at both ends of the pitch

But you better be tuned into what's coming and be prepared for what's coming.

There's a proven tactic now that very much negates Tyrone's style of play and the top teams are very good at deploying it

Dublin are especially versed in such now

jimbodub (Dublin) - 13/03/2017 16:28:41    1966767

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Replying To jimbodub:  "It has been though

Numerous times, and by all the teams who are gunning to win the AI this year

The question is have Tyrone improved?

From what I can see so far this year, it looks like you have the same problems.

You know what's coming when you play Tyrone, a very tough game indeed but not to the same degree as the 00's team

That team were capable of wiping you out at both ends of the pitch

But you better be tuned into what's coming and be prepared for what's coming.

There's a proven tactic now that very much negates Tyrone's style of play and the top teams are very good at deploying it

Dublin are especially versed in such now"
I think Tyrone have improved slightly, probably not sufficiently. Playing better quality opposition will stand to us later in the year. Last year we looked naive against Mayo, that game was there for the taking but maybe because we had only played one Division 1 team before that, hurt us.

We will learn a lot about Tyrone in the next 3 weeks when we go to Ballybofey and Killarney.

Tyrones discipline and finishing will be key. If we can limit the frees we concede in scoring positions and If we can convert our chances, particularly going for goal, then we wont be far away.

TakeyourPoint. (Tyrone) - 13/03/2017 16:49:03    1966776

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Replying To redhanddefender:  "What nonsense.

a) At the very minimum they are 4/5 best team in the country, ulster champions and on top of div 1. That means little for the summer but to say a surprise is nonsense, they just drew with Dub in croke park.

b) SC being relied on, his influence decreasing. In the ulster final he pulled us over the line last year, his sending off v mayo probably cost us the game. again on sunday he was key to the come back.

c) a winter team, they have consistently got to the business end of the season over the last 10 years through a tough transition from one of the greatest teams ever played the game.

teams need 10 top class forwards to win an AI? Do you actually watch football? I doubt very much you know anything about tyrones current crop of forwards. Its obvious they need 1 or 2 corner forwards to emerge but they have talent in abundance in the half forward line.

We may not do it this year but it certainly would not surprise me if they did"
Since 2008 Tyrone have got to a few semi finals etc but in reality so have so many weak teams. Can you honestly say they have shown anything in the big games to suggest they are Al contenders?! The answer is no, they bored Mayo last year with an awful brand of football, but Mayo still found a way past them. This was because Tyrone no longer have a forward unit to challenge for the big prize. MH has always put so much into every competition, I am not sure other counties do the same, hence why they are always successful from Jan to June. You will see I will be right in that Tyrone may win an Ulster title but that will be it. They drew with a Dublin team who have just won back to back Al's, a Dublin set up that would be completly different come August or September. Your right Tyrone may be the 4th or 5th best team in the country however the top three are a long way ahead, and the All Ireland will not go outside of Mayo, Kerry or Dublin.

sam1884 (UK) - 13/03/2017 21:31:23    1966846

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Replying To sam1884:  "Since 2008 Tyrone have got to a few semi finals etc but in reality so have so many weak teams. Can you honestly say they have shown anything in the big games to suggest they are Al contenders?! The answer is no, they bored Mayo last year with an awful brand of football, but Mayo still found a way past them. This was because Tyrone no longer have a forward unit to challenge for the big prize. MH has always put so much into every competition, I am not sure other counties do the same, hence why they are always successful from Jan to June. You will see I will be right in that Tyrone may win an Ulster title but that will be it. They drew with a Dublin team who have just won back to back Al's, a Dublin set up that would be completly different come August or September. Your right Tyrone may be the 4th or 5th best team in the country however the top three are a long way ahead, and the All Ireland will not go outside of Mayo, Kerry or Dublin."
Well it has a bigger chance of going to Tyrone than it has of going to mayo or kerry. I think it's Dublins to Loose.

border Gael (Monaghan) - 13/03/2017 22:48:06    1966857

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jimbodub reads it well; 100% correct. well-prepared team who maximise what talent we have; we just don't have enough of it. unlike the 00 team, there are not enough bloody-minded players who can stamp their authority on a game that is going away from the team. we're also not aggressive enough. frustrating team to follow as they're close enough to give us hope; but they're not the finished article and won't be until they find a couple of forwards with the right attitude - and a freetaker. that's the plain truth of it. stranger things have happened of course, but it'd be close to a miracle and Dublin, Kerry and Mayo would either have to take each other out or screw up for us to have a serious chance. the 00s team, I always felt we had a chance, unless we were unfortunate. in this decade, I only feel we have a chance if we're fortunate - and that's the difference.

essmac (Tyrone) - 13/03/2017 22:50:27    1966858

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Replying To TakeyourPoint.:  "I think Tyrone have improved slightly, probably not sufficiently. Playing better quality opposition will stand to us later in the year. Last year we looked naive against Mayo, that game was there for the taking but maybe because we had only played one Division 1 team before that, hurt us.

We will learn a lot about Tyrone in the next 3 weeks when we go to Ballybofey and Killarney.

Tyrones discipline and finishing will be key. If we can limit the frees we concede in scoring positions and If we can convert our chances, particularly going for goal, then we wont be far away."
Tyrone are difficult to play against and will always keep the score against quite low. It doesn't matter what team they play against, the concession of a low score will give them a chance of winning. All their players are comfortable on the ball, they break at speed and, even though they are not the biggest, they are very strong on the ball and difficult to dispossess without fouling. Free kicking may be seen as a problem but they still convert a high percentage of their chances. (Mattie Donnelly is a power-house driving through from half-back or deep wing forward and should not be 'penned-in' in the corner)

neverright (Roscommon) - 13/03/2017 23:22:53    1966867

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Replying To essmac:  "jimbodub reads it well; 100% correct. well-prepared team who maximise what talent we have; we just don't have enough of it. unlike the 00 team, there are not enough bloody-minded players who can stamp their authority on a game that is going away from the team. we're also not aggressive enough. frustrating team to follow as they're close enough to give us hope; but they're not the finished article and won't be until they find a couple of forwards with the right attitude - and a freetaker. that's the plain truth of it. stranger things have happened of course, but it'd be close to a miracle and Dublin, Kerry and Mayo would either have to take each other out or screw up for us to have a serious chance. the 00s team, I always felt we had a chance, unless we were unfortunate. in this decade, I only feel we have a chance if we're fortunate - and that's the difference."
Just my opinion

Tyrone are capable of winning it all this year

And if they do, it would be some accomplishment considering their limited options

jimbodub (Dublin) - 14/03/2017 15:14:24    1966988

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Tyrone seem to be the best placed of our rural brethren to mount a challenge for the All-Ireland.

legendzxix (Kerry) - 15/03/2017 17:27:11    1967348

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Replying To neverright:  "Tyrone are difficult to play against and will always keep the score against quite low. It doesn't matter what team they play against, the concession of a low score will give them a chance of winning. All their players are comfortable on the ball, they break at speed and, even though they are not the biggest, they are very strong on the ball and difficult to dispossess without fouling. Free kicking may be seen as a problem but they still convert a high percentage of their chances. (Mattie Donnelly is a power-house driving through from half-back or deep wing forward and should not be 'penned-in' in the corner)"
Very much agree about Mattie Donnelly.

The_Fridge (Tyrone) - 15/03/2017 18:33:32    1967367

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I think Tyrone are very clever the way they defend. They don't foul and are very patient. they wait for you to lose patience and have a potshot.
they also have immensely talented players like Tiernan McCann, peter Harte, Matty Donnelly, The Cavanaghs, Mark Bradly, Justin Mcmahon, among others. I don't think they need worry about free-taking when Sean Cavanagh is around. I don't know why they just don't let him take them all.
It will be an interesting all-Ireland series this year. Donegal have improved a lot since 2015 and 2016 and will also have a say. Kerry and Mayo have not gone away. Of the others I fancy Galway and Tipp again to be in the mix ant the quarter-final stage.

s goldrick (Cavan) - 15/03/2017 18:45:59    1967371

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Tyrone for SAM? You must be joking, never in a month of Sundays. The last 2 games have shown how poor Tyrone really are at the minute. Donegal beat them by double scores and a Mayo side playing at about 60% beat them today.
While Tyrone keep playing that awful defensive backwards and sideways possession nonsense they are going nowhere. Look at how many times Mayo turned them over. From the midfield onwards Tyrone are brutally poor. Over the past decade they have forgotten that to beat sides you have to outscore them.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - 26/03/2017 16:39:11    1971189

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Lord Tyrone are shocking poor esp from midfield up. How they couldn't put Mayo away with all the chances they had...

Belclare1 (Galway) - 26/03/2017 16:45:58    1971197

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Tyrone are brutal at this minute. They just cannot score. They need another plan as the present one just isn't working. Not a chance have they of winning anything this year.

border Gael (Monaghan) - 26/03/2017 16:49:40    1971200

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Replying To Belclare1:  "Lord Tyrone are shocking poor esp from midfield up. How they couldn't put Mayo away with all the chances they had..."
Have to agree out of tyrones forward 6 there's about 2 decent footballers and the best one was black carded after 20 mins. Brutal to watch the possession they had and no one could take a shot and when they did it was a miss. Mickey Harte has to take responsibility for selection and preparation - also he has Aidan McCrory playing week after week - my friends up in Tyrone tell me he's an average club player at best so why is he starting games - is he from same club as MH?

IrishGael3 (USA) - 26/03/2017 16:55:16    1971211

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The Tyrone mindset is ALL wrong. It's one borne out of fear, negativity, backwards, sidewards, possession, men behind the ball and forgetting how to put the bloody ball over the sticks and in the net. It's the Armagh mindset of 2000 - 2010 only with worse players.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - 26/03/2017 17:05:26    1971235

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is it any wonder Dublin are so long unbeaten
the forward play from mayo n tyrone was shocking bad
I believe Kerry forwards were bad today as well
v cavan

rhudson (Galway) - 26/03/2017 17:10:21    1971240

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Tyrone have not progressed in the past 3 years. Same old problems of no free taker and no top quality forwards apart from Bradley. Think its time mickey went. He has been great for Tyrone but every year he stays he does his legacy more harm. We are too afraid of losing by more than1 point. How many times have we been a point or 2 down in last few minutes and all we have focused on I defending. Just not good enough.

kevin03 (Tyrone) - 26/03/2017 20:13:48    1971414

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Tyrone's utter incompetence in shooting with 16 wides and 6/7 short shows they have not got the mental or physical strength to win Sam in the near future (ie. next 5 years anyway)

cjx (Tyrone) - 26/03/2017 20:38:03    1971438

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Replying To kevin03:  "Tyrone have not progressed in the past 3 years. Same old problems of no free taker and no top quality forwards apart from Bradley. Think its time mickey went. He has been great for Tyrone but every year he stays he does his legacy more harm. We are too afraid of losing by more than1 point. How many times have we been a point or 2 down in last few minutes and all we have focused on I defending. Just not good enough."
There's one at thing you have to say about Kerry. They DO adapt their game to eras and styles of play. Kerry can mix it, play ball, get men behind the ball, hand pass, kick long, use the dark arts etc. Tyrone are very one dimensional and predictable. They go backwards, sideways, hand pass to death and hold on to the ball.......until they are crowded out and dispossessed. They could have got away with this 10 years ago with good players. Their lack of talent is currently being badly, and embarrassingly, exposed.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - 26/03/2017 20:47:39    1971448

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Tyrone were simply awful today, relentless aimless hand passing, inviting the opposition onto them. Terrible kicking, bereft of ideas, cannot see them get next to near last 4 of AI championship.

arock (Dublin) - 26/03/2017 21:55:32    1971493

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