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Those last 10 minutes - The hunger myth.

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When the game is in the melting pot, Tyrone's hunger to win will see them over the line against Dublin, They will want it more.

The gist of *some* comments from posters on here. The gist of comments from so called experts in the lead up to this game and probably Kerry v Mayo aswell.

Nonsense... A rubbish cliché. Drives me bananas.

IF Hunger/motivation was the difference between the winning and losing of a close, tight game, Surely to god Mayo's 66 year wait for an all Ireland would have ended ? They are ravenous. I've never seen a team want an all Ireland more than them, or their fans and yet, they haven't yet got over the line.

In the last 10 minutes of a close game the winning team will usually:

A) get a bit of luck in terms of a refereeing decision/break of a ball falling their way leading up to a score or two
B) produce a moment of class/produce a bit of skill that opens up the play resulting in a decisive score
C) Have that little bit more composure to see the game out when they get that score
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D) All of the above.

If you look at Dubins record in the last 10 minutes of games under JG excluding Donegal in 2014 as we were resoundingly beaten, We haven't lost any of the close games we've been involved in. (Kerry+Mayo 2013) (Mayo x2, Kerry 2015) (Kerry, Mayo x2 2016). Weve had to dig deep, Not once could our hunger/attitude be questioned and yet consistently, people claim Dublin may lack a bit of motivation because weve achieved a lot lately. Will we want it if its close in the dying stages, Well, the evidence is there. We haven't lost close games even if we've been blessed in a few.

A teams motivation/drive comes from within. Mayos motivation to get them over the line is winning it for the first time in 66 years. Tyrones will be to win it for the first in almost a decade. Kerry will always be motivated, theyre Kerry, Dublins will be to win a third in a row, To cement their place in history.

Winning teams across all sports are seriously driven to keep on achieving. Why are Dublin questioned ? They keep going to the well time and again. Same way Kilkenny have kept going to the well under Cody.

A time will come when the life cycle of a teams dominance will come to an end, but that's just a natural regression that happens. It absolutely does not represent a lack of hunger and frankly, I find it insulting on BOTH teams to suggest that it is.

Youre taking away from a winning teams efforts by saying the loser didn't have the motivation, and you are also questioning the character of the losers who've lost an epic battle cause of one or more of the reasons listed above. It doesn't come down to hunger. It just doesn't lads.

If Tyrone beat Dublin, If Mayo beat Kerry, Whoever wins sam from here, It wont be because of who wants it more. That's not how sport works. It comes down to who gets the breaks in a tight game. Who gets the bit of luck, what players stand up in the moment and make themselves legends.

Look at the reaction at the full time whistle on Sunday of Noel McGrath, Sprawled out devastated. A guy who has won the biggest battle of his life. A guy who has won multiple all Irelands, And don't tell me he wasn't hungry to win that game. He was devastated.

So, over to you Tyrone, Your turn to try knock us off our pearch, which youre more than capable of doing. If youre going to beat us, and it may well happen (I'm confident it wont, but wouldn't shock me if you did), It wont be down to a lack of hunger on our part, itll have to be an outstanding effort from an excellent team.

waynoI (Dublin) - 08/08/2017 13:40:16    2031010

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"Nonsense... A rubbish cliché."---may as well just say "I've never played any sport in my life."

Iamlegion666 (Monaghan) - 08/08/2017 14:09:34    2031030

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Replying To waynoI:  "When the game is in the melting pot, Tyrone's hunger to win will see them over the line against Dublin, They will want it more.

The gist of *some* comments from posters on here. The gist of comments from so called experts in the lead up to this game and probably Kerry v Mayo aswell.

Nonsense... A rubbish cliché. Drives me bananas.

IF Hunger/motivation was the difference between the winning and losing of a close, tight game, Surely to god Mayo's 66 year wait for an all Ireland would have ended ? They are ravenous. I've never seen a team want an all Ireland more than them, or their fans and yet, they haven't yet got over the line.

In the last 10 minutes of a close game the winning team will usually:

A) get a bit of luck in terms of a refereeing decision/break of a ball falling their way leading up to a score or two
B) produce a moment of class/produce a bit of skill that opens up the play resulting in a decisive score
C) Have that little bit more composure to see the game out when they get that score
or
D) All of the above.

If you look at Dubins record in the last 10 minutes of games under JG excluding Donegal in 2014 as we were resoundingly beaten, We haven't lost any of the close games we've been involved in. (Kerry+Mayo 2013) (Mayo x2, Kerry 2015) (Kerry, Mayo x2 2016). Weve had to dig deep, Not once could our hunger/attitude be questioned and yet consistently, people claim Dublin may lack a bit of motivation because weve achieved a lot lately. Will we want it if its close in the dying stages, Well, the evidence is there. We haven't lost close games even if we've been blessed in a few.

A teams motivation/drive comes from within. Mayos motivation to get them over the line is winning it for the first time in 66 years. Tyrones will be to win it for the first in almost a decade. Kerry will always be motivated, theyre Kerry, Dublins will be to win a third in a row, To cement their place in history.

Winning teams across all sports are seriously driven to keep on achieving. Why are Dublin questioned ? They keep going to the well time and again. Same way Kilkenny have kept going to the well under Cody.

A time will come when the life cycle of a teams dominance will come to an end, but that's just a natural regression that happens. It absolutely does not represent a lack of hunger and frankly, I find it insulting on BOTH teams to suggest that it is.

Youre taking away from a winning teams efforts by saying the loser didn't have the motivation, and you are also questioning the character of the losers who've lost an epic battle cause of one or more of the reasons listed above. It doesn't come down to hunger. It just doesn't lads.

If Tyrone beat Dublin, If Mayo beat Kerry, Whoever wins sam from here, It wont be because of who wants it more. That's not how sport works. It comes down to who gets the breaks in a tight game. Who gets the bit of luck, what players stand up in the moment and make themselves legends.

Look at the reaction at the full time whistle on Sunday of Noel McGrath, Sprawled out devastated. A guy who has won the biggest battle of his life. A guy who has won multiple all Irelands, And don't tell me he wasn't hungry to win that game. He was devastated.

So, over to you Tyrone, Your turn to try knock us off our pearch, which youre more than capable of doing. If youre going to beat us, and it may well happen (I'm confident it wont, but wouldn't shock me if you did), It wont be down to a lack of hunger on our part, itll have to be an outstanding effort from an excellent team."
Are you talking about teams that have players with the clutch gene ?

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - 08/08/2017 14:11:43    2031032

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Replying To Iamlegion666:  ""Nonsense... A rubbish cliché."---may as well just say "I've never played any sport in my life.""
explain dublin winning so many close games then despite all irelands hanging out of their pockets compared to the like of mayo? address the points made.

waynoI (Dublin) - 08/08/2017 14:28:57    2031047

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Are you talking about teams that have players with the clutch gene ?"
what ?

waynoI (Dublin) - 08/08/2017 14:29:22    2031048

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Replying To waynoI:  "explain dublin winning so many close games then despite all irelands hanging out of their pockets compared to the like of mayo? address the points made."
Because Mayo like the rest of us don't have a load of superstars on the bench to take advantage of tired aching bodies....

AgainstTheOdds (Kerry) - 08/08/2017 14:41:31    2031054

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Replying To Iamlegion666:  ""Nonsense... A rubbish cliché."---may as well just say "I've never played any sport in my life.""
If you think that "hunger" or "passion" or "desire" are factors in top level sport then you are deluded.

Take it as a given that any team that reaches near the top and is involved in big games in any sport has plenty of the above 3.

It comes down to preparation, execution and taking advantage of any bit of luck that comes your way.

MesAmis (Dublin) - 08/08/2017 14:55:30    2031068

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there are 20 players per team on the field over the course of a game. Each one with a different outlook on life. Each with their own ups and downs every day. Some use hunger in the last few minutes of a game to drive them on and others buckle in the wrong place at the wrong time. Tapping into your own thought process would be a dangerous weapon in the heat of battle. The truth is hunger might work for Tyrone or it might them by. That's me speaking from my own experience of the game

SaffronDon (Antrim) - 08/08/2017 15:04:25    2031077

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For me the characters and individuals within a group and their resilience along with the talent of course is an immeasurable ingredient within a team set up.
The way they interact and complement one another has a lot to do with success.
When you are confident that you are surrounded by talented individuals it gives the motivation and belief that if you perform anything is possible.When questions are asked that somehow you will find a way as all great teams do. You know when the opportunity arises that you have the ability to seize it and that drives the mindset to create such opportunities.
The most successful teams always have the basics.
Natural ability,skill,resilience,luck and that X factor.

catch22 (USA) - 08/08/2017 15:19:17    2031086

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Replying To waynoI:  "explain dublin winning so many close games then despite all irelands hanging out of their pockets compared to the like of mayo? address the points made."
Huh? What are you talking about, you can be successful and still be hungry, if you think otherwise I'm sure your boss loves you....

Staying hungry is the cornerstone philosophy of any long term success in any sport, Gavin instills this is his player with competition for places, etc.

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Iamlegion666 (Monaghan) - 08/08/2017 15:25:14    2031092

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Replying To MesAmis:  "If you think that "hunger" or "passion" or "desire" are factors in top level sport then you are deluded.

Take it as a given that any team that reaches near the top and is involved in big games in any sport has plenty of the above 3.

It comes down to preparation, execution and taking advantage of any bit of luck that comes your way."
"If you think that "hunger" or "passion" or "desire" are factors in top level sport then you are deluded. "

Only one person delusional here mate, and its the person that obviously has had zero major success sports of otherwise, to make such a silly claim(hint, its you)

Iamlegion666 (Monaghan) - 08/08/2017 15:26:24    2031093

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Replying To waynoI:  "what ?"
Google the clutch gene, it's an American sports phrase basically meaning that players that make the right decisions in pressure situations would have the "clutch gene "
Happy googling.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - 08/08/2017 15:30:14    2031099

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Replying To catch22:  "For me the characters and individuals within a group and their resilience along with the talent of course is an immeasurable ingredient within a team set up.
The way they interact and complement one another has a lot to do with success.
When you are confident that you are surrounded by talented individuals it gives the motivation and belief that if you perform anything is possible.When questions are asked that somehow you will find a way as all great teams do. You know when the opportunity arises that you have the ability to seize it and that drives the mindset to create such opportunities.
The most successful teams always have the basics.
Natural ability,skill,resilience,luck and that X factor."
"Natural ability,skill,resilience,luck and that X factor."

Add endurance/hard work(ethic) and that's it nailed.

Iamlegion666 (Monaghan) - 08/08/2017 15:56:54    2031122

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Only one person delusional here mate, and its the person that obviously has had zero major success sports of otherwise, to make such a silly claim(hint, its you)

Iamlegion666 (Monaghan) - Posts:209 - 08/08/2017 15:26:24   2031093 


So you can tell all that about my life because I don't believe in spoofers going on about hunger and passion?!

If you get near the top it's a given that you have the passion or hunger to succeed. You wouldn't get there without it but it's not going to be the difference when you get there because the other team needed and had it too.

Mayo won't beat Kerry because they have the hunger. They'll beat them if their preparation is good beforehand, if their execution on the day is better than Kerry and if they take advantage of whatever breaks come their way.

Talking about desire, passion and hunger is completely redundant when you reach near the top as all players/competitors have them in spades at that stage.

MesAmis (Dublin) - 08/08/2017 16:31:17    2031150

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Replying To MesAmis:  "Only one person delusional here mate, and its the person that obviously has had zero major success sports of otherwise, to make such a silly claim(hint, its you)

Iamlegion666 (Monaghan) - Posts:209 - 08/08/2017 15:26:24   2031093 


So you can tell all that about my life because I don't believe in spoofers going on about hunger and passion?!

If you get near the top it's a given that you have the passion or hunger to succeed. You wouldn't get there without it but it's not going to be the difference when you get there because the other team needed and had it too.

Mayo won't beat Kerry because they have the hunger. They'll beat them if their preparation is good beforehand, if their execution on the day is better than Kerry and if they take advantage of whatever breaks come their way.

Talking about desire, passion and hunger is completely redundant when you reach near the top as all players/competitors have them in spades at that stage."
And this is exactly the point in making...

Hunger/motivation does not win you games. It doesn't give you that extra bit to win a close game, if it did, why haven't Mayo broken their 66 year wait for an all Ireland title ?

Surely they would have had extra motivation and hunger than Dublin last year ?? didny stop them leaving empty handed again

I just wish people would stop using these cliches cause they are nonsense talk

If Tyrone beat Dublin, it won't be cause they are the hungrier team, just that they put the work in on Dublin, performed on the day, got the breaks they needed .. Maybe a bit of luck. Nothing to do with hunger

waynoI (Dublin) - 08/08/2017 16:40:07    2031155

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Replying To MesAmis:  "Only one person delusional here mate, and its the person that obviously has had zero major success sports of otherwise, to make such a silly claim(hint, its you)

Iamlegion666 (Monaghan) - Posts:209 - 08/08/2017 15:26:24   2031093 


So you can tell all that about my life because I don't believe in spoofers going on about hunger and passion?!

If you get near the top it's a given that you have the passion or hunger to succeed. You wouldn't get there without it but it's not going to be the difference when you get there because the other team needed and had it too.

Mayo won't beat Kerry because they have the hunger. They'll beat them if their preparation is good beforehand, if their execution on the day is better than Kerry and if they take advantage of whatever breaks come their way.

Talking about desire, passion and hunger is completely redundant when you reach near the top as all players/competitors have them in spades at that stage."
At first I only suspected, but now I'm certain.

Iamlegion666 (Monaghan) - 08/08/2017 16:44:53    2031158

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I actually agree and disagree to an extent, i dont think Dublin will lack hunger as i think the Connolly and Pat Spillane reignited something in the Dublin psyche and frankly it would never happen under Jim Gavin.

That said i would put not winning the 2012 all Ireland down to a lack of hunger in the Dublin team that year, so why i dont think its a factor for Dublin this year i do think it is a factor in general.

Tyrone were undoubtedly the best team of the 00's in my opinion, but never did back the back to back, Kerry were possibly the next best team and they dd perhaps its a cultural reaction to success or success breeding success as someone else suggested.

TheUsername (Dublin) - 08/08/2017 17:14:29    2031177

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Replying To Iamlegion666:  "
Replying To MesAmis:  "Only one person delusional here mate, and its the person that obviously has had zero major success sports of otherwise, to make such a silly claim(hint, its you)

Iamlegion666 (Monaghan) - Posts:209 - 08/08/2017 15:26:24   2031093 


So you can tell all that about my life because I don't believe in spoofers going on about hunger and passion?!

If you get near the top it's a given that you have the passion or hunger to succeed. You wouldn't get there without it but it's not going to be the difference when you get there because the other team needed and had it too.

Mayo won't beat Kerry because they have the hunger. They'll beat them if their preparation is good beforehand, if their execution on the day is better than Kerry and if they take advantage of whatever breaks come their way.

Talking about desire, passion and hunger is completely redundant when you reach near the top as all players/competitors have them in spades at that stage."
At first I only suspected, but now I'm certain."
Great

GreenandRed (Mayo) - 08/08/2017 17:23:45    2031187

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It really bugs me when a team gets beaten and their hunger is questioned.

It's not fair and a lot of the time isn't being questioned by some lad who's spent half his life down some pub.

It's definitely a cliched phrase.

There's a whole lot that goes into winning a football match, "hunger" or a general will to win is essential for success but it is very far from the end of it and it alone will not win you matches.

As for this talk of Tyrone's hunger going to see them through against Dublin. It's a lot of dung.

The team in Ireland with the most proven track record of a willingness to win and mental toughness is Dublin. Just because Tyrone haven't won an All Ireland doesn't mean they'll have an edge over Dublin. To be honest it's likely a disadvantage, the Dublin players know what needs to be done to win tough tight games at the business end of things.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - 08/08/2017 17:51:10    2031204

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Replying To AgainstTheOdds:  "Because Mayo like the rest of us don't have a load of superstars on the bench to take advantage of tired aching bodies...."
Yawn

superbluedub (Dublin) - 08/08/2017 17:51:48    2031205

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