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Rock or O Callaghan?

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Dean Rocks place kicking (bar the drawn AIF last year) has been top drawer (particularly 45s) and in the last 2 years he has contributed much more from play than he used to. He is a bigger guy with more experience of big days.

That being said I think O Callaghan brings something different. I think he posesses more natural ability and carries a bigger threat from play. He showed yesterday that he is more than able from placed balls. He will also bring a toughness from playing hurling at a high level

Its a great dilemma for Gavin to have especially with the likes of Brogan and Flynn also pushing hard, Kevin McManamen, and the inevitable return of Connolly.

Can both start?

unclegerry (Mayo) - 17/07/2017 11:31:18    2017984

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Dublin forum!

;)

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They both start

jimbodub (Dublin) - 17/07/2017 11:40:40    2017994

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start both.

Connolly, Flynn, Brogan, McManamon, et al, bench

waynoI (Dublin) - 17/07/2017 12:09:15    2018030

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Who is O Callaghan? Very demoralising for non-Dubs that a player comes in and 11 or 12 points like that. Adding to a team that is already exceptional. What do the rest of us do??

Cbar (Mayo) - 17/07/2017 12:32:14    2018051

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Replying To Cbar:  "Who is O Callaghan? Very demoralising for non-Dubs that a player comes in and 11 or 12 points like that. Adding to a team that is already exceptional. What do the rest of us do??"
pray

waynoI (Dublin) - 17/07/2017 12:41:54    2018067

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They are quite different players, there's more than enough room for the pair of them in a well balanced attack.

As an aside I really think Rock's contribution from play is so underrated because he's a free taker.

He is just so good at finding space for himself. How often does he have loads of time to just clip off his score with no one near him. This in an era where most teams play with so many helping out in defence.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - 17/07/2017 12:51:03    2018074

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Replying To Cbar:  "Who is O Callaghan? Very demoralising for non-Dubs that a player comes in and 11 or 12 points like that. Adding to a team that is already exceptional. What do the rest of us do??"
You've obviously not been watching much underage or the hurling club championship ;)

Con has been coming for a while now but sure we'll have rivals in the news papers talking about having him cynically targeted soon enough

jimbodub (Dublin) - 17/07/2017 12:53:01    2018077

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news papers talking about having him cynically targeted soon enough
jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts:17043 - 17/07/2017 12:53:01 2018077


No newspaper will talk of targeting Con. He's an exemplary young player in every way and will cope with any tight man marking, verbals etc. Very focussed. Was very impressed with his interview on the SG last night. No short fuse there or dog's tail to be pulled.

I know the boy can't do everything but i'd love to see him hurl with the Dubs. From what i've seen he's a better hurler and would be in the top forwards in the country. Very mature of him to pick one as he'd probably burn out playing both. Most young fellas like Damien Cahalane of Cork start out trying both.

Laois76 (Laois) - 17/07/2017 13:06:04    2018092

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Where's Tadhg Kennelly when you need him?

Llaw_Gyffes (Mayo) - 17/07/2017 13:48:31    2018134

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Replying To Whammo86:  "They are quite different players, there's more than enough room for the pair of them in a well balanced attack.

As an aside I really think Rock's contribution from play is so underrated because he's a free taker.

He is just so good at finding space for himself. How often does he have loads of time to just clip off his score with no one near him. This in an era where most teams play with so many helping out in defence."
Good post. He can get unfair criticism as he gets compared to very good forwards. He was excellent last year in general play. Scored a very good goal yesterday with clever movement and awareness. Young COC done well on his frees yesterday but Rock has done it with tougher kicks in tough tense games. Would be a big risk to remove him as there will be critical frees and 45s in the big battles ahead. He'd be my choice to take them.

poguemahone (Dublin) - 17/07/2017 14:00:16    2018148

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Replying To poguemahone:  "Good post. He can get unfair criticism as he gets compared to very good forwards. He was excellent last year in general play. Scored a very good goal yesterday with clever movement and awareness. Young COC done well on his frees yesterday but Rock has done it with tougher kicks in tough tense games. Would be a big risk to remove him as there will be critical frees and 45s in the big battles ahead. He'd be my choice to take them."
Spot on. Simple as that

jimbodub (Dublin) - 17/07/2017 14:02:17    2018150

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Replying To waynoI:  "pray"
Doing that for years....long before this buck came on the scene:)

Cbar (Mayo) - 17/07/2017 16:16:21    2018243

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I think Bernard Brogan has an excellent chance of winning back a staring role again, he substituted
Dean Rock yesterday on the 25th minute and played an outstanding game, scoring five points from
play. Con O'Callaghan was man of the match yesterday and will hold his starting role.

fainleog (Limerick) - 17/07/2017 16:53:41    2018267

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Replying To jimbodub:  "Dublin forum!

;)

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They both start"
Who loses out?

neverright (Roscommon) - 17/07/2017 17:40:01    2018294

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Replying To neverright:  "Who loses out?"
About 30 other counties :)

extranjero (Wexford) - 17/07/2017 18:00:47    2018314

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If O'Callaghan can knock over 45s regularly then Deano will start feeling the pressure. It was a very timely goal he scored yesterday. O'Callaghan was scarily good.

Gavvygavgav (Dublin) - 17/07/2017 18:04:35    2018317

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Replying To neverright:  "Who loses out?"
Scully Kilkenny Andrews

Mannion/Brogan Rock O'Callaghan

Neither loses out.

Don't be heaping high pressure free taking on Con.. no need.

Bit of a shift around when Connolly is back

jimbodub (Dublin) - 17/07/2017 23:34:03    2018431

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Replying To Llaw_Gyffes:  "Where's Tadhg Kennelly when you need him?"
That didn't happen , he slipped and you know it

Damothedub (Dublin) - 18/07/2017 08:52:15    2018482

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Diarmuid comes back, Flynn comes back, Scully and Andrews drop out

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - 18/07/2017 12:40:59    2018589

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Mannion KilKenny Connolly
Brogan Andrews O'Callaghan

Numbers meaning nothing as our forward unit is like a spiral

If the young lad is not having a good day, in pops Rock.
Kev Mc for Mannion under the same circumstances.
O'Gara for Andrews

Those lads will keep defenders busy

realdub (Dublin) - 18/07/2017 16:03:16    2018751

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