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What a ridulous comment. I have previous experiance of Refereeing but due to having to move to Dublin for work i can no longer do it. The reason i personally have not quoted the rule book in any example is because and example i have tried give have been filtered out by mods. As i have said i dont mind a ref thats bad to both sides he might just not be good but more and more we are seeing refs blatantly favor one team over anyother. One rule for one team a different for another and they dont follow the rule book. No consitancy in Black card ahh the list is endless its a shambles at the minute Cuckoosinging (Roscommon) - Posts: 992 - 07/06/2017 12:01:52 1996362 Link 0 |
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Lads its all very easy to come on here and criticise referees but we do need some perspective too. Firstly I do agree that referees are far from perfect and they do make mistakes - but then so do most players every day that they go out. the issue is that every action that a referee takes is scrutinised to the last detail and from every angle with the TV coverage we have. the referee has one view and that could be obscured by a player and generally he is focussed 100% on what is going on on the ball so is reliant on umpires and linesmen for off the ball stuff. so what seems like a blatent foul from a TV angle may not be obvious from whgere the ref is at. Secondly Gaelic football is one of the toughest game to referee in terms of the type of physical contact and the proximity to the play and the size of the pitch. there is really no comparison with Soccer and rugby in this regard. Thirdly GAA games are flowing so there is no TMO or opportunities to review a call so a decision has to be made and it has to be abided by. So in summary we are judging the standards in GAA by the paramaters of other sports. hardly fair and generally this is done by people who just want to knock the GAA and point out its flaws not people who are interested in improving the game. Refs have a tough job I would like to see an improvement but I think the root of the problem lies in some silly rules and unrealistic expectations. fearcliste (Wexford) - Posts: 178 - 07/06/2017 12:48:13 1996393 Link 0 |
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referee in Dublin if you know it all
reffingmad (Roscommon) - Posts: 371 - 07/06/2017 13:00:50 1996413 Link 0 |
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You make some fair enough points but if a player has a bad game like you say they get dropped, Referees dont get punished for having howlers they still are out the following Sunday getting there few pound no matter how they perform. And i agree its not and easy job thats why as i said in my previous post all you can ask for is a bit of consistancy but more and more i see Refs blatanty favoring one team over another.
Cuckoosinging (Roscommon) - Posts: 992 - 07/06/2017 13:08:41 1996420 Link 0 |
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you can only drop a player if you got someone better to come in!!! and if a player gets things 90% right in a game id say they would hold there place. but the objective here is to improve the overall standard in refereeing all to often the referee gets blames for everything and teams/players don't accept their own responsibility. I'm not a referee myself but I do umpire on occasion for a referee (who used to be an intercounty ref). was umpiring a few weeks ago when a mentor from one of the teams came complaining to me about the ref being 'inconsistent' I didn't think he was being but I said to him "whether hes inconsistent or not he's not the reason ur losing its the missed penalty and 3 missed frees from inside 35 meters and the mistake your goalkeeper made for their goal." See its all about perspective. I have to say (and there may be exceptions to this) I doubt many intercounty referees go out in any game to 'do a team' or to be biased. they are focussed on doing the best job they can ant to get the best results from the assessor so as the will get considered for the big games. However in the heat of battle if a team is dogging a ref well I guess human nature might take over and he may not be favourably disposed. We are all human after all. even Refs. Wouldn't it be great if they were programmable robots. fearcliste (Wexford) - Posts: 178 - 07/06/2017 13:39:57 1996439 Link 0 |
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Well u got your answer and you didnt reply. You can referee in Dublin if you are really interested but i dont think you are. We currently have 20 inter county referee's on the championship panel. For what its worth if refs do have these howlers well then they are more or less stepped down for a while. The problem with the championship is that you have to drop them completely and not for a period of time as the ref would come back in at a more serious end of the championship. Joe Mc Quillan was a big looser last year when he awarded Aidan O'Shea a soft penalty!! He didnt get another game until national league this year. No referee intentionally go out to make mistakes or be biased as suggested. If you truly have refereeing experience one would recognise that.
FOX40WHISTLER (Longford) - Posts: 8 - 08/06/2017 14:33:35 1996954 Link 0 |
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Have to say ref in today's minor hurling semi final between Dublin and cork was very poor, kind of ruined the game with his whistle happy with almost 50% of the frees to both teams leave you wondering where the foul was. Sent cork lad off for pulling on thin air with even the dublin player in possesion puzzled look on his face. Hope he gets that rescinded as would be a shame to see miss final over nothing. hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 13/08/2017 15:01:41 2032751 Link 1 |
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Agree his whistle was blowing harder than a gale, a player standing his ground is not blocking its a charge, third man tackles, jaysus the list went on and on. Made for a very scrappy affair but well done to Cork and like you the card has to be rescinded though it may have two yellows.
arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4895 - 13/08/2017 15:07:21 2032755 Link 0 |
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It was a second yellow,he only missed the rest of the game,he's ok for the final
backtofront (Limerick) - Posts: 26 - 13/08/2017 17:50:15 2032823 Link 0 |
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James Owens got all of the big call right today bar a free he gave to cork in the second half on the hogan side. Himself and the Linesmen and Umpires missed what Austin Gleeson done. daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 13/08/2017 17:54:03 2032826 Link 0 |
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Please, stop it, he was terrible.
Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 13/08/2017 17:56:39 2032830 Link 0 |
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Apologies missed the second yellow, good to see as didn't deserve to be sent off felt ref in senior game had a very good match to be fair to him hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 13/08/2017 18:03:53 2032836 Link 0 |
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Get a whistle and go out and give it a go. What was so bad about him? daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 13/08/2017 18:16:50 2032839 Link 0 |
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Only saw the last 15mins or so but in that time he made wrong calls that to me should not have been missed - you can talk about the speed of the game and line of sight but there were some decisions that neither of those would have been involved. As a previous poster said, these things don't go unnoticed by the referees committee and unfortunately for this ref I am not sure he will be back at this stage again. Refs are only human and react to pressure as much as the players do on a big day, on another day he could get them all right. The crises in refereeing is the fact that so few players want to do it once they finish playing - perhaps if some of the lads took up refereeing rather than punditry it would encourage others to do it!
zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1800 - 13/08/2017 18:21:49 2032841 Link 0 |
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James Owens & his linesmen had a shocker, not sure what you were watching.
Uimhir.a.3. (Galway) - Posts: 409 - 13/08/2017 18:21:55 2032842 Link 0 |
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Lads, daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 13/08/2017 18:24:57 2032844 Link 0 |
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If they didn't see what Gleeson did (we only did with the benefit of the other camera angle) it wasn't a call they made. After that I don't see where they got it wrong - as you I would like a few examples.
zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1800 - 13/08/2017 18:41:50 2032853 Link 0 |
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The crises in refereeing is the fact that so few players want to do it once they finish playing - perhaps if some of the lads took up refereeing rather than punditry it would encourage others to do it! Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2448 - 13/08/2017 19:30:23 2032868 Link 0 |
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Young refs getting dogs abuse and even physically attacked up and down the country every Sunday and people wonder why there are no top standard refs.. bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4624 - 13/08/2017 19:31:48 2032869 Link 0 |
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Leave it with me, I am going to rewatch the game and get back to you because I want to properly highlight how bad he was. I have never been impressed with him. He was woeful any time he refereed Tipp over the years. Things that annoyed me today included he dirty and late hit by Cahalane on Moran and nothing was done, not even holding up play when he stayed down. A couple of minutes later he made a big fuss about Bennett's challenge on Nash. Nash was grand after some quick running repairs whereas Moran got a proper slap of the Hurley down on his hand. He gave Cork a free for a simple shoulder to shoulder and gave some really soft frees to Cork. Cahalane should have been sent off sooner than he was. When you see The Rock and Shanahan on the pitch you know he is not in control of the game. Gave a really soft free into Cork towards the end for a challenge by Maurice. In answering your suggestion about me putting my money where my mouth is and the game being extremely fast. That's fair enough you are right, I don't envy tne Job of refs. A suggestion I would have is to have two referees like in other sports. Owens probably annoys me the most of the modern referees. Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 13/08/2017 20:07:57 2032885 Link 0 |