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The point is it's constantly thrown that Dublin clubs have state of the art grounds and a wash with money which is ridiculous as most of them clubs you see in Dublin have only got grounds of their own in the last decade never mind covered areas for spectators or electronic scoreboards. just look at the otherside of the Dublin border in ashbourne they have a state of the art set up grounds. Go the otherside of Dublin to Wicklow side and see the set up bray emmets have in place. Dublin clubs are only playing catch up when comes to facilities not flush with huge budgets like some outside would love to believe hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 24/04/2017 07:57:05 1982060 Link 0 |
Two teams awash with great facilities in Dublin ourselves and Thomas Davis are also awash with huge debt , our club trying for two years to negotiate repayments interest only etc pi77 myself laughing at some of the comments Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 24/04/2017 09:39:51 1982095 Link 0 |
Hill did you know Bray Emmetts grounds are in Dublin ? There's a bit of information for ya.
clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 24/04/2017 09:45:25 1982097 Link 0 |
Same as every club really Damo , Towers the exact same. I think the towers senior players should give back their free Range Rovers they got from the club its crippling us.
clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 24/04/2017 09:54:38 1982103 Link 0 |
Well why go on the defensive when nobody brought it up here. It's just weird. The point is about the Dublin championship structure which in my opinion is an absolute disaster. They have some great clubs in Dublin but the structure of the competition is one of the worst around. realman2 (Kildare) - Posts: 464 - 24/04/2017 10:24:17 1982115 Link 0 |
The point was brought up that Dublin clubs work off budgets that country clubs can only envy and I responded to that point which is a myth in itself
hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 24/04/2017 18:59:17 1982321 Link 0 |
On the Dublin championship structure I don't see the problem or the fuss being made just because boden got knocked out. Plunketts and kilmacud crokes have bought suffered first round defeats and went into the b championship over last few years. It's a cut throat championship that's what makes it so competitive with about 8-10 teams capable of winning it. hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 24/04/2017 19:07:37 1982324 Link 0 |
He was talking about the county team operating at a different level financially. I don't agree that it is a myth that Dublin clubs are well resourced. There's a serious number of clubs in Dublin with full size Astro pitches. It's not a recent occurrence either. The bulk of them predate me moving down here. Given the surface on the Ballymun Kickhams one it must be nearly 20 years old. Donaghmore Ashbourne's facilities are top notch but even they don't have a full size Astro pitch. Those facilities are the best in Meath county and aren't indicative of the general state of facilities. Parnell's facilities are still better than Ashbourne's. Parnell's let Coolock Town soccer club use their Astro for matches. I'm not sure why that doesn't break the GAA's non foreign games rules. I also don't agree with your take on playing championship without county players. As an active club player I'd much prefer to be playing a championship in which all the top players are available to play. It's not an equivalence to say that clubs can do without a player on holiday, it's that players choice to go on holiday, the Dublin under 21s had a choice forced upon them by scheduling made by their county board whose team they are representing. There's very little need for it. Dublin will only play about 6 or 7 games if they reach the final this year. There are plenty of weekends between now and September to play club championship without clashes. They just choose not to use these weekends because they prioritise the county teams over their club players. That's fine, it's working for them but let's not pretend that isn't what's going on here. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4207 - 25/04/2017 06:28:02 1982402 Link 0 |
Why should a club be punished and play without their best players after all the years and effort they put in helping them when they were playing up along just because they are deemed good enough to represent their county. What a load of bull. That statement sounds like its coming from a man who has no club affiliation?
Cuckoosinging (Roscommon) - Posts: 992 - 25/04/2017 09:01:29 1982421 Link 0 |
My club has one county player , we are in Senior Championship , I've see stags , weddings, trips away to Wembley put on hold because of our county player as a senior team our lads do gym sessions recovery sessions ,boot camps as well as twice weekly sessions, that squad of 28 who also are in College and hold jobs and a couple of self employed lad have their lives/plans put on hold because of the current policy of not playing championship without county players , our county lad is a terrific guy none of this is down to him its down to ambition of county board , ambition of clubs and club players and their lives don't even enter into it they are barely an after thought
Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 25/04/2017 09:53:52 1982442 Link 0 |
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts:1407 - 25/04/2017 06:28:02 MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13704 - 25/04/2017 09:58:08 1982447 Link 0 |
whammo you have the situation where the club championship waits until dublin all ireland journey finishes, hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 25/04/2017 16:56:57 1982595 Link 1 |
I agree that what you describe is crap. I've been on here consistently advocating splitting the season. Finish intercounty on August bank holiday. Play off all club leagues whilst the county team is playing. That's out of Dublin county board's control but they still know pretty much when they'll be playing their 6 intercounty games. Fix club championship for those weekends during the summer and then county players will still be able to play with their clubs. The freeze from April to September is unnecessary in my view. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4207 - 25/04/2017 18:36:33 1982625 Link 1 |
If we can play leagues while county team is playing why not championships too? It's a crap message to send out that guys train all year and get used in the league and then when comes to championship there told sorry but we are going to give your place in the team to Tom Bobby or Johnny because they play for the county team and even though they haven't trained with us or togged out we are still going to put them in ahead of you. In one of the clubs I was with a guy played soccer in England and came home every summer for three weeks holidays, the management in the club used to get him down and start him in the team league or championship it was an absolute joke of a situation you had a guy wasn't even in the country all year and walked down and starts. A separate club I later was involved in had a guy retired from inter county about a year and he had taken 6 months holiday to Australia,he arrived off the plane home that morning at 8.30 and there was a match that day at 3pm and he was handed a starting Jersey, I couldn't believe what I was seeing it was three months into the season the guy hasn't trained with them in six months and there was guys there hadn't missed a session hail rain or snow throughout winter, needless to say it completely backfired as twenty minutes into the game he couldn't get to the pace of the game and called the management to make a change and came off, I looked around two minutes later to see him and he was over at a bush tryinging to hold back getting sick. These were both division one senior teams. hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 25/04/2017 19:13:34 1982642 Link 0 |
In practice it works really well. I play in Meath. We'll have 13 league games, maybe have the county players 3 times. The we'll have them for 5 championship group games and the knockout stages. Some of the Meath posters on here don't like the championship but as a player I think it's great. The first 3 championship games and every league game has been fixed also. So the season is planned right up to August and then it will depend on how Meath do. In the league games lads are getting the chance to impress. Guys are moving up and down the pecking order right now. So it's not as if it's specifically one guy who's getting ousted out. Our team now compared to the first league game is very different already. There will be lads who won't start the first championship game but will break their way back in. It's a healthy competitive environment. As for your stories, I really don't like when management does that sort of thing but I think it's a very different situation when someone's missing because of county commitment. He's still doing his training. He's still floating about the team and involved with the panel. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4207 - 25/04/2017 23:10:25 1982718 Link 0 |
Anybody who suggests that the club championship should be played without the best players being made available is a 'football fool'. Maybe the next thing they would be suggesting is that their should be no club football and just concentrate on county football. browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 26/04/2017 01:44:12 1982728 Link 1 |
You want the club championship played without the inter county players ? clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 26/04/2017 07:46:32 1982735 Link 0 |
No I want it to be done on a master fixtures planner for the year and adhered to just like the other competitions. I think it's unfair that we hold up possibly 24 out of 25 players on each team to suit that 1. Come the time the championship game is fixed who knows maybe 3 of them might not be able to play on that given day due to work commitments, family commitments but will the game be held up for them of course not. so simplest and fairest for all is to have a master fixtures list and stick to it for all competitions hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 26/04/2017 09:29:36 1982755 Link 0 |
Sure we all Want that but the club championship has to have the county players end of story. clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 26/04/2017 10:15:59 1982779 Link 0 |
I actually enjoy this time of year, the minor and the U21 and club championships there is lpads to get your teeth into and its great that all levels of the game can be supported. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 26/04/2017 11:04:13 1982805 Link 0 |