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Replying To royaldunne: "And before anyone gets all pedantic, I know O'Rourke was 3 when he came to Meath. I was just making the point a man with not a ounce of Meath blood can become a county icon, someone with tradition can also." COR may have been born and partly raised in Leitrim (I don't know what exact age he moved here at) but he obviously spent his childhood/teenage years growing up in County Meath. That very much moulds you into what you become/who you are. He has spent his adult life living, working/teaching, playing football (and managing teams) in Meath. He is more of a Meathman than most of us in terms of his active involvement with the local community on so many levels. Most younger Meath folk today were probably born in Drogheda or Dublin (day trippers!), so a mere entry on a birth cert. The environment where you live, go to school in, are raised in and grow up in, make friendships in, interact with most (play football in), is ultimately where the heart lies and what defines your county colours. Some parents will no doubt try and manipulate this with their children, if living outside their home county, as some fathers tend to do with football teams and with good (if biased) intentions. But your parents birth cert doesn't define who you are either.
We all want to see Meath improve but I'd like it with a squad made up entirely of genuine and committed Meathmen; who are not just playing for themselves or representing their clubs, but representing the entire people of county Meath who they regard as kin. No Larry Tompkins, Shea Fahy, Seanie Johnston type transfer sagas.
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Replying To GlasagusOr: "COR may have been born and partly raised in Leitrim (I don't know what exact age he moved here at) but he obviously spent his childhood/teenage years growing up in County Meath. That very much moulds you into what you become/who you are. He has spent his adult life living, working/teaching, playing football (and managing teams) in Meath. He is more of a Meathman than most of us in terms of his active involvement with the local community on so many levels. Most younger Meath folk today were probably born in Drogheda or Dublin (day trippers!), so a mere entry on a birth cert. The environment where you live, go to school in, are raised in and grow up in, make friendships in, interact with most (play football in), is ultimately where the heart lies and what defines your county colours. Some parents will no doubt try and manipulate this with their children, if living outside their home county, as some fathers tend to do with football teams and with good (if biased) intentions. But your parents birth cert doesn't define who you are either.
We all want to see Meath improve but I'd like it with a squad made up entirely of genuine and committed Meathmen; who are not just playing for themselves or representing their clubs, but representing the entire people of county Meath who they regard as kin. No Larry Tompkins, Shea Fahy, Seanie Johnston type transfer sagas." But its nothing like that.
Will you honestly care if lowdes or O'Connor puts a winning point v dubs in Leinster final?? I couldn't give a hoot. And if it is annoying dubs as much as this seems to be then I hope we can get another convert.
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Replying To Crinigan: "Was Flynn not from Edenderry /Carbury originally anyway?" Derrinturn to be precise, between edenderry and Cadbury
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Replying To brian: "Harnan and Lyons families are also from Mayo...
Terry Fergusons family from Dublin
Most of the team born in Drogheda or Dublin so not really from meath at all..." Apart from a home birth all birth certs will say Dublin Louth or Westmeath for all the team ,
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 23/12/2016 18:09:41
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RD, this is not professional soccer where players move around clubs (like careerists or mercenaries) and follow the manager. The ethos of the GAA is that players play for their local club and county only ... pride in the parish, sense of community, loyalty and all that. Players should have a cultural attachment and sense of belonging for the club/county they play for and the areas/people they represent.
While it says good things about Andy that players want to play for him, they should want to play for Meath regardless of who the manager is, not just because of him. What would happen if he left at some stage, would they walk away. If he wasn't the manager would they be here now. If he was appointed the Dublin manager (maybe the thought would turn his stomach, but for the sake of argument) instead of the Meath one, would they have stayed put and fought harder for their place there.
Just because others recruit players from elsewhere doesn't mean we should do likewise. We should always do what is right and for the greater good. You want to encourage as many local youngsters/young adults as possible to continue playing football after they leave school. To aspire to play for their county, to see it as an attainable goal with real opportunities. To keep club players (of all ages) motivated that their prospects will not be diminished by external recruitment.
RD, I do not care who gets scores for Meath in any match, winning scores or otherwise; but I'd much prefer them to be Meathmen from the cradle to the grave (so to speak), rather than players with a newfound interest in the county. If Celtic could win the European Cup in 67, with a team of local, homegrown players (no mean feat), it would be all the sweeter if Meath could defeat the Dubs in similar fashion.
GlasagusOr (Meath) - Posts: 1348 - 23/12/2016 21:08:23
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Replying To GlasagusOr: "RD, this is not professional soccer where players move around clubs (like careerists or mercenaries) and follow the manager. The ethos of the GAA is that players play for their local club and county only ... pride in the parish, sense of community, loyalty and all that. Players should have a cultural attachment and sense of belonging for the club/county they play for and the areas/people they represent.
While it says good things about Andy that players want to play for him, they should want to play for Meath regardless of who the manager is, not just because of him. What would happen if he left at some stage, would they walk away. If he wasn't the manager would they be here now. If he was appointed the Dublin manager (maybe the thought would turn his stomach, but for the sake of argument) instead of the Meath one, would they have stayed put and fought harder for their place there.
Just because others recruit players from elsewhere doesn't mean we should do likewise. We should always do what is right and for the greater good. You want to encourage as many local youngsters/young adults as possible to continue playing football after they leave school. To aspire to play for their county, to see it as an attainable goal with real opportunities. To keep club players (of all ages) motivated that their prospects will not be diminished by external recruitment.
RD, I do not care who gets scores for Meath in any match, winning scores or otherwise; but I'd much prefer them to be Meathmen from the cradle to the grave (so to speak), rather than players with a newfound interest in the county. If Celtic could win the European Cup in 67, with a team of local, homegrown players (no mean feat), it would be all the sweeter if Meath could defeat the Dubs in similar fashion." I really have little interest in soccer. But no one should be banned from playing for a county, if they have genuine connection to it. I recall many years ago a great Westmeath player who never lived a day in Westmeath in his life (even still doesn't) he could have played for Meath under Boylan and was approached many times. It wouldn't take a genius to figure out who I'm speaking of, but for the younger amongst us, is last name was same as Trevor. He could have had 2 Celtic crosses , as I said he never lived a day of his life in wm, but in Meath. But his heart belonged elsewhere, I never had a problem with it.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 24/12/2016 15:11:01
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RD, if a player has his heart set on playing for Meath (or any county) from childhood and a genuine connection with that county through birth, residency or lineage, that's fine with me. But I would not like to see the Meath team/squad become an option for disaffected and discontented (adult) players from another county.
GlasagusOr (Meath) - Posts: 1348 - 24/12/2016 16:51:08
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GlasagusOr -You are indeed correct. If there were 8 Dubs on the team who would RD cheer for?
The best of luck, happiness, and a merry Xmas New Year to the new management and all the players going forward. The best of luck, happiness, and Xmas New Year to all posters including RD and Glas. I also to wish the Hogan Stand team a happy Xmas and New Year and especially for keeping all our posts under control. The site is a great source of information in keeping us all up to date with the wider GAA world.
browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 24/12/2016 16:59:15
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Replying To royaldunne: "I really have little interest in soccer. But no one should be banned from playing for a county, if they have genuine connection to it. I recall many years ago a great Westmeath player who never lived a day in Westmeath in his life (even still doesn't) he could have played for Meath under Boylan and was approached many times. It wouldn't take a genius to figure out who I'm speaking of, but for the younger amongst us, is last name was same as Trevor. He could have had 2 Celtic crosses , as I said he never lived a day of his life in wm, but in Meath. But his heart belonged elsewhere, I never had a problem with it." He played all his football in westmeath however. Good chunk of that club I would think are from meath however they probably feel no real connection to the county playing in westmeath.
Royalace (Meath) - Posts: 121 - 24/12/2016 17:33:23
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There's just something very unsettling about the fact that players who are deemed not good enough to play for Dublin are automatically welcomed with open arms to the Meath panel, we now have a few footballers and hurlers who fall into that category. If they're not good enough to nail down a spot with Dublin (or any other county) they shouldn't be good enough to play for Meath.
Make no mistake, none of the current crop of new entrants or returnees would be anywhere near the Meath setup if there was the chance of them lining out for the Dubs, we're basically just their fallback county.
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Replying To Wedgie: "There's just something very unsettling about the fact that players who are deemed not good enough to play for Dublin are automatically welcomed with open arms to the Meath panel, we now have a few footballers and hurlers who fall into that category. If they're not good enough to nail down a spot with Dublin (or any other county) they shouldn't be good enough to play for Meath.
Make no mistake, none of the current crop of new entrants or returnees would be anywhere near the Meath setup if there was the chance of them lining out for the Dubs, we're basically just their fallback county." The only thing unsettling is the size of the feed of turkey, ham and spuds I'm having along with a good slab of trifle.
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Replying To Wedgie: "There's just something very unsettling about the fact that players who are deemed not good enough to play for Dublin are automatically welcomed with open arms to the Meath panel, we now have a few footballers and hurlers who fall into that category. If they're not good enough to nail down a spot with Dublin (or any other county) they shouldn't be good enough to play for Meath.
Make no mistake, none of the current crop of new entrants or returnees would be anywhere near the Meath setup if there was the chance of them lining out for the Dubs, we're basically just their fallback county." Remember paul curran.....wasn't good enough for meath team at that time so played for the Dubs. ...
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Call me old fashioned but I'd prefer we fielded a team of players who were there because of their ambition to wear the Meath jersey, not because they couldn't fit into the Dublin one.
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well will joe get start Saturday or not
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Replying To Brownepat: "well will joe get start Saturday or not" Yep looks likely.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 13/01/2017 14:39:16
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