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Seamus Kenny was superb and motm in my opinion.

Goes to show you how effective a wise head can be in the heat of battle, he seemed to orchestrate everything for Simonstown. Delighted for him as he was a good clean and fair footballer whenever I have marked him and he was a great servant to club and county.

As for Ashbourne, they were so bad it was unreal. I actually think their second team is better actual team. You can forget about Tormey and Menton who was outworked and outclassed by a minor footballer. Deegan showed his class by refusing to shake the hands of Simonstown players after the match, the Dubs can have him.

Real shame that Nash is going although I think he'd have played rugby only if he stayed. Most natural athlete I've seen grace Pairc Tailteann since Graham Geraghty.

Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 1316 - 03/11/2016 09:38:43    1931084

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Replying To Crinigan:  "Seamus Kenny was superb and motm in my opinion.

Goes to show you how effective a wise head can be in the heat of battle, he seemed to orchestrate everything for Simonstown. Delighted for him as he was a good clean and fair footballer whenever I have marked him and he was a great servant to club and county.

As for Ashbourne, they were so bad it was unreal. I actually think their second team is better actual team. You can forget about Tormey and Menton who was outworked and outclassed by a minor footballer. Deegan showed his class by refusing to shake the hands of Simonstown players after the match, the Dubs can have him.

Real shame that Nash is going although I think he'd have played rugby only if he stayed. Most natural athlete I've seen grace Pairc Tailteann since Graham Geraghty."
What kind of a nonsense statement is that about Ashbourne second team being better than the first team. Ashbourne beat Dunshaughlin, Senechalstown and Skryne on the way to the final. their second team lost to Ballinabrackey in the intermediate quarter final who are little better than junior standard.
They just had an off day on Sunday where nothing went right for them. They were still the most consistent team in Meath this year making the final in all 3 competitions.

On another note what Simonstown players do posters think will make the Meath senior panel this year ?

subzero (Meath) - Posts: 69 - 03/11/2016 14:27:38    1931222

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Replying To subzero:  "What kind of a nonsense statement is that about Ashbourne second team being better than the first team. Ashbourne beat Dunshaughlin, Senechalstown and Skryne on the way to the final. their second team lost to Ballinabrackey in the intermediate quarter final who are little better than junior standard.
They just had an off day on Sunday where nothing went right for them. They were still the most consistent team in Meath this year making the final in all 3 competitions.

On another note what Simonstown players do posters think will make the Meath senior panel this year ?"
Always difficult to say but I think Conlon is a shoe-in.

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 03/11/2016 14:54:54    1931229

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I love how so many have written off some Ashbourne players,which seems to be clearly based on one performance. Cop on a bit lads!
Feis Cup Winners
Championship Finalists
League Finalists(in which they could still win)

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 03/11/2016 14:57:43    1931231

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Replying To subzero:  "What kind of a nonsense statement is that about Ashbourne second team being better than the first team. Ashbourne beat Dunshaughlin, Senechalstown and Skryne on the way to the final. their second team lost to Ballinabrackey in the intermediate quarter final who are little better than junior standard.
They just had an off day on Sunday where nothing went right for them. They were still the most consistent team in Meath this year making the final in all 3 competitions.

On another note what Simonstown players do posters think will make the Meath senior panel this year ?"
I actually meant that they play better as a team. Ashbourne played liked 15 strangers on Sunday. Their marquee players looked overweight and unfit as well. You can have a bad day but their backs were against the wall at half time and they didn't even shake a leg in the second half. Thats more than an off day. Winning Feis Cup and League just means you have a bigger squad and pick to me. Nobody goes out to win the AFL or the Feis Cup. When it matters, there main men disappeared into their shells. Meath can do without those kind of players. Look at Seamus Kenny...stood up on the big occasion, when it mattered. Not in the Feis Cup final!

Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 1316 - 03/11/2016 17:17:20    1931277

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Replying To Crinigan:  "I actually meant that they play better as a team. Ashbourne played liked 15 strangers on Sunday. Their marquee players looked overweight and unfit as well. You can have a bad day but their backs were against the wall at half time and they didn't even shake a leg in the second half. Thats more than an off day. Winning Feis Cup and League just means you have a bigger squad and pick to me. Nobody goes out to win the AFL or the Feis Cup. When it matters, there main men disappeared into their shells. Meath can do without those kind of players. Look at Seamus Kenny...stood up on the big occasion, when it mattered. Not in the Feis Cup final!"
Nobody goes out to win a Feis Cup or League?

What planet are you living on? There are three competitions the first team in every club can win and I'd be amazed if any club would turn around at the start of the year and say ah we couldn't give a dam about the League or Feis Cup, the only competition we're interested in is the Championship.

Such nonsense.

They might not be the no.1 priority but every player I know would want to win them.

jackhackett (Meath) - Posts: 773 - 03/11/2016 18:56:27    1931303

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Replying To jackhackett:  "Nobody goes out to win a Feis Cup or League?

What planet are you living on? There are three competitions the first team in every club can win and I'd be amazed if any club would turn around at the start of the year and say ah we couldn't give a dam about the League or Feis Cup, the only competition we're interested in is the Championship.

Such nonsense.

They might not be the no.1 priority but every player I know would want to win them."
Agreed. You probably weigh them in priority of championship, league and then Feis cup, in that order. But definitely want to win them.

David (Meath) - Posts: 567 - 03/11/2016 21:51:06    1931366

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Replying To subzero:  "What kind of a nonsense statement is that about Ashbourne second team being better than the first team. Ashbourne beat Dunshaughlin, Senechalstown and Skryne on the way to the final. their second team lost to Ballinabrackey in the intermediate quarter final who are little better than junior standard.
They just had an off day on Sunday where nothing went right for them. They were still the most consistent team in Meath this year making the final in all 3 competitions.

On another note what Simonstown players do posters think will make the Meath senior panel this year ?"
Ballinabrackey became intermediate in 2011,they have been in a final,2 semi finals and a quarter final in that time !! Define a little better than junior ?

thelutch (Meath) - Posts: 1047 - 04/11/2016 10:20:50    1931434

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Replying To jackhackett:  "Nobody goes out to win a Feis Cup or League?

What planet are you living on? There are three competitions the first team in every club can win and I'd be amazed if any club would turn around at the start of the year and say ah we couldn't give a dam about the League or Feis Cup, the only competition we're interested in is the Championship.

Such nonsense.

They might not be the no.1 priority but every player I know would want to win them."
Oh right so...sure we'll pick Meath players based on the Feis Cup will we? And AFL games in February? And if the league is so important, why were there so many walkovers across all divisions?

Good man yourself.

Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 1316 - 04/11/2016 10:48:14    1931442

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Don/Ash as I said before did not turn up on the day and were very poor but they have been the most consistent team in the county this year by a long shot. It is fine to say this or that a player stood up in the county final, but other players stood up to get there. Simonstown had their bit of luck against Kells and of course you make your own luck to win matches. The most consistent players for Simonstown on the way to final were some of their half backs-not their CF. In most county finals you could give the MOM award to any one of 3-4 players. Every team likes to win all competitions, however teams that are used to winning the top prize may not always take some of the other competitions too seriously. I think that all the secondary competitions like Feis Cup/League final should be after the county final.

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 04/11/2016 10:56:42    1931445

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Replying To browncows:  "Don/Ash as I said before did not turn up on the day and were very poor but they have been the most consistent team in the county this year by a long shot. It is fine to say this or that a player stood up in the county final, but other players stood up to get there. Simonstown had their bit of luck against Kells and of course you make your own luck to win matches. The most consistent players for Simonstown on the way to final were some of their half backs-not their CF. In most county finals you could give the MOM award to any one of 3-4 players. Every team likes to win all competitions, however teams that are used to winning the top prize may not always take some of the other competitions too seriously. I think that all the secondary competitions like Feis Cup/League final should be after the county final."
OMG good job you are not involved in decision making. A few years back the Feis cup and A league were all left til after championship, occasionally finals were played in December or January. This left teams who were out of championship in August sitting on their backsides for weeks on end waiting for their opposition to be knocked out of championship. Is that a good scenario? ? Look at BHG now who are waiting on league rel/promotion game for past 5/6 weeks and still no fixture

Analyst (Meath) - Posts: 1467 - 04/11/2016 11:29:15    1931454

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Replying To Crinigan:  "Oh right so...sure we'll pick Meath players based on the Feis Cup will we? And AFL games in February? And if the league is so important, why were there so many walkovers across all divisions?

Good man yourself."
Ah Cringian,

Where did I say we should pick fellas for the Meath team based on how they do in a League game in February. I never once said that so please don't start spouting blatant lies.

From my experience of being in a dressing room every player goes out to win every game he plays in (admittedly when I played in B League Div 5/6 at the end of my playing days that wasn't always the case).

Now yes of course the Championship is the priority for every club at the start of the year but there are no clubs that I am aware of that don't set out at the beginning of the year who don't want to do as well as possible in the League/Feis Cup.

Yes they will use these competitions as an opportunity to blood some of their younger talent but that doesn't mean they don't want to win them.

On your point about walkovers - the vast majority happen when a team has nothing left to play for in the competition, and is more of a factor in the B Leagues where it can be a struggle to get lads out to play especially when there is a clash with games in the NEFL. Of course there will always be an incident like with O'Mahonys this year but that was just a cock up all round and should have been refixed by the CCC instead of allowing them not fulfil a fixture which was crucial to the relegation battle.

jackhackett (Meath) - Posts: 773 - 04/11/2016 11:39:59    1931459

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Replying To jackhackett:  "Ah Cringian,

Where did I say we should pick fellas for the Meath team based on how they do in a League game in February. I never once said that so please don't start spouting blatant lies.

From my experience of being in a dressing room every player goes out to win every game he plays in (admittedly when I played in B League Div 5/6 at the end of my playing days that wasn't always the case).

Now yes of course the Championship is the priority for every club at the start of the year but there are no clubs that I am aware of that don't set out at the beginning of the year who don't want to do as well as possible in the League/Feis Cup.

Yes they will use these competitions as an opportunity to blood some of their younger talent but that doesn't mean they don't want to win them.

On your point about walkovers - the vast majority happen when a team has nothing left to play for in the competition, and is more of a factor in the B Leagues where it can be a struggle to get lads out to play especially when there is a clash with games in the NEFL. Of course there will always be an incident like with O'Mahonys this year but that was just a cock up all round and should have been refixed by the CCC instead of allowing them not fulfil a fixture which was crucial to the relegation battle."
I'm not saying you said that, and i never said in isolation that teams aren't bothered at all about the Feis Cup and League.

My point is that people are defending Ashboure's leading players saying that they led them to the Feis Cup and League final. These players should be performing on the biggest day of the year (like Seamus Kenny and Shane O Rourke) and the fact they were totally and utterly anonymous tells me all I need to know about their credentials to take Meath forward. County final day at half time when you are down 8/9 points is the time when real county players stand up and be counted. Giles did it umpteen times for Skryne in county finals, Stephen Bray and McKeague for NOM, Niall Kelly and the Kealys umpteen times for Dunsaughlin when the chips were down, Moyles and Nigel Nestor for Blackhall back in 03 when 10 points down at half time to Simonstown. Connolly did it in the Dublin SFC last week for St Vincents. The players Ashbourne have that are lauded on these pages as county players simply disappeared. Nash walking through them to fist over a point at one stage. Where was the corner back spoen on these pages as a county man to meet him? Conlon bombing forward time and time again and another county man marking him not even chasing him back.

Finally, nobody can tell me that the league and feis cup are worth the same as the championship and that teams take them as seriously.

Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 1316 - 04/11/2016 12:54:58    1931492

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Replying To browncows:  "Don/Ash as I said before did not turn up on the day and were very poor but they have been the most consistent team in the county this year by a long shot. It is fine to say this or that a player stood up in the county final, but other players stood up to get there. Simonstown had their bit of luck against Kells and of course you make your own luck to win matches. The most consistent players for Simonstown on the way to final were some of their half backs-not their CF. In most county finals you could give the MOM award to any one of 3-4 players. Every team likes to win all competitions, however teams that are used to winning the top prize may not always take some of the other competitions too seriously. I think that all the secondary competitions like Feis Cup/League final should be after the county final."
Ashbourne have been the most consistent team largely because they have a huge number of players and can fit them in at different stages of the league and the league is run over such a long long period of time (a joke, look at Blackhall's situation!) that some teams can be almost unrecognisable from January to September with different players being away or injured.

Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 1316 - 04/11/2016 13:00:08    1931497

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And another point, as mentioned on the main page, the county final programme was an absolute credit to all involved. Maith sibh go leir!

Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 1316 - 04/11/2016 13:02:06    1931498

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Replying To Crinigan:  "And another point, as mentioned on the main page, the county final programme was an absolute credit to all involved. Maith sibh go leir!"
Gotta agree with this. There are very few times I'd agree with paying a fiver for a programme, but every single year the SFC final programme is a great read and well worth the money.

Ratoath Royal (Meath) - Posts: 1362 - 04/11/2016 14:08:18    1931529

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Replying To Crinigan:  "And another point, as mentioned on the main page, the county final programme was an absolute credit to all involved. Maith sibh go leir!"
Couldn't agree more with you on this. Consistently Martin O'Halloran produces top quality programmes for the senior football final.

He's received awards in the past for them and it would be no surprise if he gets another this year.

jackhackett (Meath) - Posts: 773 - 04/11/2016 14:58:05    1931549

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Replying To Crinigan:  "Ashbourne have been the most consistent team largely because they have a huge number of players and can fit them in at different stages of the league and the league is run over such a long long period of time (a joke, look at Blackhall's situation!) that some teams can be almost unrecognisable from January to September with different players being away or injured."
Crinigan right but aseast the present county board do there very best to get league rounds done so no pile of messy games in oct/Nov
Clubs voted for league playoffs etc without thinking about it it has been a mess in Louth most years and Meath are lucky only blackhall left hanging about

Brownepat (Meath) - Posts: 532 - 04/11/2016 15:14:29    1931556

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