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I have debted for well over a week now as to whether or not I should proceed with this post, and whilst this is nothing new I feel a discussion needs to be had.
As a referee I am becoming somewhat bewildered as to the current state of our games when it comes to a referee making even the smallest decision in a game. It seems to me no matter how small or obvious the decision a referee makes players, managers and mentors alike feel that it is now part of the game to challenge the referee on the call he has made. These are not polite challenges either, some people are getting in your face and the use of the yellow or even black card does not seem to have any effect as it does not seem to quell dissent.
People may think that this is only in adult games but in my experience this something that I as a referee encounter from U14 to senior games.
I know that the stock response from many of the posters on here will be and i will respond to each, for example:
'if the referees could keep up with play'
I am not old in terms of a referee and I can honestly say I am running past players in the last 10 mins even though in many instances I have done more running than some of the players in the match.
Also have you ever tried to get 4 people to do umpire for league games, almost impossible therefore no matter how fit or quick a referee is he can not always beat the speed of the ball.
and don't foget all refs have to do a fitness test
'if they would do a game fair'
I can honeslty say that I have never gone out to do any match with any agenda, and I would sincerely hope that there are few if any refs that would
'Sure the standard of referees is awful'
Each referee has to undertake an inservice course and indeed rules course should they wish to referee at any level
Try reading the rule book and the constant 'extra duties' being put on referees with the Mark etc and indeed ambiguity with the rules.
Further, see my point about having officals in a normal league game to help a referee out.
At times it is the players that are ignorant of the rules, in one instance last year I had players and managers of one time arguing with me that there was no such thing as teh square ball anymore.
So how do we fix it?
Sin Bin?
One player sanctioned to speak to a referee?
More severe punishment and bans for breaches?
I know there will be a lot of vitriol in response to this, however as a referee I appreciate that there will be no Gaelic Games with the volunteers and players that keep it running, however there will also be no games without referees.
tyronemanc (Tyrone) - Posts: 163 - 16/03/2017 12:09:18
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Replying To tyronemanc: "I have debted for well over a week now as to whether or not I should proceed with this post, and whilst this is nothing new I feel a discussion needs to be had.
As a referee I am becoming somewhat bewildered as to the current state of our games when it comes to a referee making even the smallest decision in a game. It seems to me no matter how small or obvious the decision a referee makes players, managers and mentors alike feel that it is now part of the game to challenge the referee on the call he has made. These are not polite challenges either, some people are getting in your face and the use of the yellow or even black card does not seem to have any effect as it does not seem to quell dissent.
People may think that this is only in adult games but in my experience this something that I as a referee encounter from U14 to senior games.
I know that the stock response from many of the posters on here will be and i will respond to each, for example:
'if the referees could keep up with play'
I am not old in terms of a referee and I can honestly say I am running past players in the last 10 mins even though in many instances I have done more running than some of the players in the match.
Also have you ever tried to get 4 people to do umpire for league games, almost impossible therefore no matter how fit or quick a referee is he can not always beat the speed of the ball.
and don't foget all refs have to do a fitness test
'if they would do a game fair'
I can honeslty say that I have never gone out to do any match with any agenda, and I would sincerely hope that there are few if any refs that would
'Sure the standard of referees is awful'
Each referee has to undertake an inservice course and indeed rules course should they wish to referee at any level
Try reading the rule book and the constant 'extra duties' being put on referees with the Mark etc and indeed ambiguity with the rules.
Further, see my point about having officals in a normal league game to help a referee out.
At times it is the players that are ignorant of the rules, in one instance last year I had players and managers of one time arguing with me that there was no such thing as teh square ball anymore.
So how do we fix it?
Sin Bin?
One player sanctioned to speak to a referee?
More severe punishment and bans for breaches?
I know there will be a lot of vitriol in response to this, however as a referee I appreciate that there will be no Gaelic Games with the volunteers and players that keep it running, however there will also be no games without referees." I think refs showing players some respect would go a long way, In games were ref gives a free against you, You cant even ask him what free was for and he moves the ball forward and has a set against you for rest of the match.
I feel you should be allowed question refs to understand what they saw or think they saw. Look at Rugby for an example, The refs explain the reasons they made a decision and whether you agree or not at least you understand what it was for.
The game has evolved but standard of refereeing has gone back years. Its in a crisis
Cuckoosinging (Roscommon) - Posts: 992 - 16/03/2017 13:11:57
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I have debated for well over a week now as to whether or not I should proceed with this post, and whilst this is nothing new I feel a discussion needs to be had.
As a referee I am becoming somewhat bewildered as to the current state of our games when it comes to a referee making even the smallest decision in a game. It seems to me no matter how small or obvious the decision a referee makes players, managers and mentors alike feel that it is now part of the game to challenge the referee on the call he has made. These are not polite challenges either, some people are getting in your face and the use of the yellow or even black card does not seem to have any effect as it does not seem to quell dissent.
People may think that this is only in adult games but in my experience this something that I as a referee encounter from U14 to senior games.
I know that the stock response from many of the posters on here will be and i will respond to each, for example:
'if the referees could keep up with play'
I am not old in terms of a referee and I can honestly say I am running past players in the last 10 mins even though in many instances I have done more running than some of the players in the match.
Also have you ever tried to get 4 people to do umpire for league games, almost impossible therefore no matter how fit or quick a referee is he can not always beat the speed of the ball.
and don't foget all refs have to do a fitness test
'if they would do a game fair'
I can honeslty say that I have never gone out to do any match with any agenda, and I would sincerely hope that there are few if any refs that would
'Sure the standard of referees is awful'
Each referee has to undertake an inservice course and indeed rules course should they wish to referee at any level
Try reading the rule book and the constant 'extra duties' being put on referees with the Mark etc and indeed ambiguity with the rules.
Further, see my point about having officals in a normal league game to help a referee out.
At times it is the players that are ignorant of the rules, in one instance last year I had players and managers of one time arguing with me that there was no such thing as teh square ball anymore.
So how do we fix it?
Sin Bin?
One player sanctioned to speak to a referee?
More severe punishment and bans for breaches?
I know there will be a lot of vitriol in response to this, however as a referee I appreciate that there will be no Gaelic Games with the volunteers and players that keep it running, however there will also be no games without referees.
tyronemanc (Tyrone) - Posts:157 - 16/03/2017 12:09:18excellent post. It is terrible that people are constantly challenging referees on nearly all decisions but when the punishments are not severe enough and people simply dont respect the officials authority then what can you do?
A sin bin would be a great help. One player sanctioned to speak to a referee is unfeasible. What if captain is a full back and incident requires speaking to him is at the other end of the field?
ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 16/03/2017 13:28:51
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you tell them.refereed for 1 year,never again,just not worth the hassle,abuse,the worst of which i got from parents after an u-10 game..i never bad mouth referees,and hate hearing people doing so.
some of what you hear referees called at club level is absolutely disgraceful.
as always the best referees are always on the ditch,just like the best hurlers.
perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 16/03/2017 13:55:25
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Replying To Cuckoosinging: "I think refs showing players some respect would go a long way, In games were ref gives a free against you, You cant even ask him what free was for and he moves the ball forward and has a set against you for rest of the match.
I feel you should be allowed question refs to understand what they saw or think they saw. Look at Rugby for an example, The refs explain the reasons they made a decision and whether you agree or not at least you understand what it was for.
The game has evolved but standard of refereeing has gone back years. Its in a crisis" I make a point of talking as much as i can to players explaining to them why I am giving a decision, i will also tell them when their free was coming however advantage was given.
I agree 45-45 referees who do not give players a chance to speak annoy me too, however, when it is a clear say push and 5 men are jumping and agressing towards the ref as if a man was never touched, how do we fix that?
tyronemanc (Tyrone) - Posts: 163 - 16/03/2017 14:03:38
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Replying To tyronemanc: "I have debted for well over a week now as to whether or not I should proceed with this post, and whilst this is nothing new I feel a discussion needs to be had.
As a referee I am becoming somewhat bewildered as to the current state of our games when it comes to a referee making even the smallest decision in a game. It seems to me no matter how small or obvious the decision a referee makes players, managers and mentors alike feel that it is now part of the game to challenge the referee on the call he has made. These are not polite challenges either, some people are getting in your face and the use of the yellow or even black card does not seem to have any effect as it does not seem to quell dissent.
People may think that this is only in adult games but in my experience this something that I as a referee encounter from U14 to senior games.
I know that the stock response from many of the posters on here will be and i will respond to each, for example:
'if the referees could keep up with play'
I am not old in terms of a referee and I can honestly say I am running past players in the last 10 mins even though in many instances I have done more running than some of the players in the match.
Also have you ever tried to get 4 people to do umpire for league games, almost impossible therefore no matter how fit or quick a referee is he can not always beat the speed of the ball.
and don't foget all refs have to do a fitness test
'if they would do a game fair'
I can honeslty say that I have never gone out to do any match with any agenda, and I would sincerely hope that there are few if any refs that would
'Sure the standard of referees is awful'
Each referee has to undertake an inservice course and indeed rules course should they wish to referee at any level
Try reading the rule book and the constant 'extra duties' being put on referees with the Mark etc and indeed ambiguity with the rules.
Further, see my point about having officals in a normal league game to help a referee out.
At times it is the players that are ignorant of the rules, in one instance last year I had players and managers of one time arguing with me that there was no such thing as teh square ball anymore.
So how do we fix it?
Sin Bin?
One player sanctioned to speak to a referee?
More severe punishment and bans for breaches?
I know there will be a lot of vitriol in response to this, however as a referee I appreciate that there will be no Gaelic Games with the volunteers and players that keep it running, however there will also be no games without referees." I always find it frustrating that a team can't make a point to a referee during the game.
I don't expect referees to get everything right but I'd like if my captain could be able to point something out to the referees when it's going on.
You look at the rugby last week Johnny Sexton was able to mention to the referee that the Wales lads were playing too high at the scrum.
I'd like dialogue between players and referees to be more open in GAA. Even if it's just the captains able to approach the referee.
It's not even to question him but there can be foul play going on that 1 man just can't be expected to follow on his own.
There's a terrible attitude to referees though in the GAA that won't be changed short term. The whiners after games about refs is a joke, unless you referee yourself you have no ground to complain. The guys out there are the best available, if they're not good enough it's because not enough people put themselves forward for it.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4208 - 16/03/2017 14:06:02
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Ok there are a few sides to this.
It does go without saying that some of the refereeing is brutal.
That doesn't however give any player the right to challenge everything. I know when I am a captain or even in general my personal rule is that the captain should be the only one to speak. I play midfield so I do understand that was easier for me.
The black card should be used more as this is one of the rules it can be used for. If all referees decided they would clamp down and black card accordingly then I really do believe it would stop. The problem is 1 ref if any call it but every other ref don't.
What I would love, especially at inter county, is that a team should be able to lodge an objection to certain referees. There are referees out there that appear to have it in for a team. I'm sure it is not intentional but maybe its style of play or that the unintentional believe what they read/hear in the media or something.
I do believe that the appeals situation in GAA is a joke. The referees decision should be final unless there is complete proof that nothing happened.
How many times to people get off on technicalities. Its a joke at times tbh. especially when some players go through several different appeals processes to find a loophole. All this does is undermines the authority of the referee.
To finish I have to say that the game wouldn't exist without the referees so even if they make mistakes, and I get very annoyed at times, they are very important
dstuction (Donegal) - Posts: 1209 - 16/03/2017 15:51:23
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My two cents as a former player and now manager. There are some terrible refs out there. Would I become a ref myself? Absolutely no chance. It is a dreadful job especially in the GAA . You just have to try and appeal to their better nature.
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7885 - 16/03/2017 16:02:03
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Agree with the heading. Some of them can be very challenging to say the least!
Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 16/03/2017 16:02:57
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Replying To Cuckoosinging: "I think refs showing players some respect would go a long way, In games were ref gives a free against you, You cant even ask him what free was for and he moves the ball forward and has a set against you for rest of the match.
I feel you should be allowed question refs to understand what they saw or think they saw. Look at Rugby for an example, The refs explain the reasons they made a decision and whether you agree or not at least you understand what it was for.
The game has evolved but standard of refereeing has gone back years. Its in a crisis" The difference is you don't have maybe 20 people on the sideline screaming and roaring at every single decision.
You see it with supporters...... Calling a black card for every single foul. More screaming.
Maybe the captain discussing with the ref wouldn't be a bad thing. But there is a bad feeling towards refs which is a massive problem. Rugby refs are respected from u8 upwards so the players and supporters know how to treat a ref, unlike GAA where parents,players and supporters berate the ref at the smallest silly decisions. Is it any wonder refs ignore players etc
The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 16/03/2017 21:30:59
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Replying To tyronemanc: "I have debted for well over a week now as to whether or not I should proceed with this post, and whilst this is nothing new I feel a discussion needs to be had.
As a referee I am becoming somewhat bewildered as to the current state of our games when it comes to a referee making even the smallest decision in a game. It seems to me no matter how small or obvious the decision a referee makes players, managers and mentors alike feel that it is now part of the game to challenge the referee on the call he has made. These are not polite challenges either, some people are getting in your face and the use of the yellow or even black card does not seem to have any effect as it does not seem to quell dissent.
People may think that this is only in adult games but in my experience this something that I as a referee encounter from U14 to senior games.
I know that the stock response from many of the posters on here will be and i will respond to each, for example:
'if the referees could keep up with play'
I am not old in terms of a referee and I can honestly say I am running past players in the last 10 mins even though in many instances I have done more running than some of the players in the match.
Also have you ever tried to get 4 people to do umpire for league games, almost impossible therefore no matter how fit or quick a referee is he can not always beat the speed of the ball.
and don't foget all refs have to do a fitness test
'if they would do a game fair'
I can honeslty say that I have never gone out to do any match with any agenda, and I would sincerely hope that there are few if any refs that would
'Sure the standard of referees is awful'
Each referee has to undertake an inservice course and indeed rules course should they wish to referee at any level
Try reading the rule book and the constant 'extra duties' being put on referees with the Mark etc and indeed ambiguity with the rules.
Further, see my point about having officals in a normal league game to help a referee out.
At times it is the players that are ignorant of the rules, in one instance last year I had players and managers of one time arguing with me that there was no such thing as teh square ball anymore.
So how do we fix it?
Sin Bin?
One player sanctioned to speak to a referee?
More severe punishment and bans for breaches?
I know there will be a lot of vitriol in response to this, however as a referee I appreciate that there will be no Gaelic Games with the volunteers and players that keep it running, however there will also be no games without referees." I know how you feel. I ref ladies and men's. Supporters and mentors think they're the same game but the rules are a world apart - especially around the tackle. The best you can do is ref to the rule book and not what some think the rule book should say or says. Vast majority do not know what the rules are and that's much of the problem. As Pat McEnaney would say "If you see 70% of what happens on the pitch and get 70% of the calls right" you can walk away knowing you did your job. There's no guidance whatsoever from the GAA on how to deal with abusive team mentors. There's not much you can do about the supporters unfortunately.
Sindar (Roscommon) - Posts: 348 - 16/03/2017 21:58:52
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There's one particular Meath ref who never gives Cavan anything and one particular Cavan ref who never gives the Dubs a bad decision.
And a few very poor refgs
Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 16/03/2017 22:18:59
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Replying To tyronemanc: "I have debted for well over a week now as to whether or not I should proceed with this post, and whilst this is nothing new I feel a discussion needs to be had.
As a referee I am becoming somewhat bewildered as to the current state of our games when it comes to a referee making even the smallest decision in a game. It seems to me no matter how small or obvious the decision a referee makes players, managers and mentors alike feel that it is now part of the game to challenge the referee on the call he has made. These are not polite challenges either, some people are getting in your face and the use of the yellow or even black card does not seem to have any effect as it does not seem to quell dissent.
People may think that this is only in adult games but in my experience this something that I as a referee encounter from U14 to senior games.
I know that the stock response from many of the posters on here will be and i will respond to each, for example:
'if the referees could keep up with play'
I am not old in terms of a referee and I can honestly say I am running past players in the last 10 mins even though in many instances I have done more running than some of the players in the match.
Also have you ever tried to get 4 people to do umpire for league games, almost impossible therefore no matter how fit or quick a referee is he can not always beat the speed of the ball.
and don't foget all refs have to do a fitness test
'if they would do a game fair'
I can honeslty say that I have never gone out to do any match with any agenda, and I would sincerely hope that there are few if any refs that would
'Sure the standard of referees is awful'
Each referee has to undertake an inservice course and indeed rules course should they wish to referee at any level
Try reading the rule book and the constant 'extra duties' being put on referees with the Mark etc and indeed ambiguity with the rules.
Further, see my point about having officals in a normal league game to help a referee out.
At times it is the players that are ignorant of the rules, in one instance last year I had players and managers of one time arguing with me that there was no such thing as teh square ball anymore.
So how do we fix it?
Sin Bin?
One player sanctioned to speak to a referee?
More severe punishment and bans for breaches?
I know there will be a lot of vitriol in response to this, however as a referee I appreciate that there will be no Gaelic Games with the volunteers and players that keep it running, however there will also be no games without referees." I am not a referee. It must be a vocation. The person in the middle who gets no thanks and regularly abused during and after a match. Particularly from the supporters or team that didn't take their scores when they were offered and then try and pin their poor performance on, what they will say were, poor refereeing decisions rather than accept defeat and try and improve. The ref is like a TD. 'Sure anyone could do that job' until you hand them a whistle and ask them to do a job.
If players, mentors, supporters, pundits could appreciate the referee's job more they might be less critical and more respectful. I think that, for some, in the GAA, taking some ideas from other sports is seen as a sign of weakness. In other sports you can hear a referee telling a player that they're close to making an infringement rather than letting it happen then booking him. 'Thank you ref' the from the player who appreciates the ref is in charge. They're not just there to just punish bad discipline but to advise players of rules before they're broken and to let the game flow. I know some GAA refs will try preventing infringements before they happen and explain the rules, but it's more common in some other sports and the referees are respected and only captains can query decisions.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7335 - 17/03/2017 03:08:44
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Replying To tyronemanc: "I have debted for well over a week now as to whether or not I should proceed with this post, and whilst this is nothing new I feel a discussion needs to be had.
As a referee I am becoming somewhat bewildered as to the current state of our games when it comes to a referee making even the smallest decision in a game. It seems to me no matter how small or obvious the decision a referee makes players, managers and mentors alike feel that it is now part of the game to challenge the referee on the call he has made. These are not polite challenges either, some people are getting in your face and the use of the yellow or even black card does not seem to have any effect as it does not seem to quell dissent.
People may think that this is only in adult games but in my experience this something that I as a referee encounter from U14 to senior games.
I know that the stock response from many of the posters on here will be and i will respond to each, for example:
'if the referees could keep up with play'
I am not old in terms of a referee and I can honestly say I am running past players in the last 10 mins even though in many instances I have done more running than some of the players in the match.
Also have you ever tried to get 4 people to do umpire for league games, almost impossible therefore no matter how fit or quick a referee is he can not always beat the speed of the ball.
and don't foget all refs have to do a fitness test
'if they would do a game fair'
I can honeslty say that I have never gone out to do any match with any agenda, and I would sincerely hope that there are few if any refs that would
'Sure the standard of referees is awful'
Each referee has to undertake an inservice course and indeed rules course should they wish to referee at any level
Try reading the rule book and the constant 'extra duties' being put on referees with the Mark etc and indeed ambiguity with the rules.
Further, see my point about having officals in a normal league game to help a referee out.
At times it is the players that are ignorant of the rules, in one instance last year I had players and managers of one time arguing with me that there was no such thing as teh square ball anymore.
So how do we fix it?
Sin Bin?
One player sanctioned to speak to a referee?
More severe punishment and bans for breaches?
I know there will be a lot of vitriol in response to this, however as a referee I appreciate that there will be no Gaelic Games with the volunteers and players that keep it running, however there will also be no games without referees." I think some of us think the lack of consistent application of the rules amongst top referees is annoying. One ref's name taken, no card in the first few minutes is another's blind eye turned in the last minute of a close game, another's black card with a penalty given, etc. I think there is no need at all for a black card. Just consistent application of , nothing happened, name taken, yellow card, red card rules using common sense in most cases rather than whistle-happy following the absolute letter of the law. Do you think the black card rule is easy to implement and makes your job easier or was it easier pre-black card?
Are referees assessed during games and given feedback on where they can improve but, more importantly, where they're doing well? Even if they're just doing a few things well some encouragement might keep them going rather than be constantly criticised.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7335 - 17/03/2017 03:16:53
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Replying To tyronemanc: "I have debted for well over a week now as to whether or not I should proceed with this post, and whilst this is nothing new I feel a discussion needs to be had.
As a referee I am becoming somewhat bewildered as to the current state of our games when it comes to a referee making even the smallest decision in a game. It seems to me no matter how small or obvious the decision a referee makes players, managers and mentors alike feel that it is now part of the game to challenge the referee on the call he has made. These are not polite challenges either, some people are getting in your face and the use of the yellow or even black card does not seem to have any effect as it does not seem to quell dissent.
People may think that this is only in adult games but in my experience this something that I as a referee encounter from U14 to senior games.
I know that the stock response from many of the posters on here will be and i will respond to each, for example:
'if the referees could keep up with play'
I am not old in terms of a referee and I can honestly say I am running past players in the last 10 mins even though in many instances I have done more running than some of the players in the match.
Also have you ever tried to get 4 people to do umpire for league games, almost impossible therefore no matter how fit or quick a referee is he can not always beat the speed of the ball.
and don't foget all refs have to do a fitness test
'if they would do a game fair'
I can honeslty say that I have never gone out to do any match with any agenda, and I would sincerely hope that there are few if any refs that would
'Sure the standard of referees is awful'
Each referee has to undertake an inservice course and indeed rules course should they wish to referee at any level
Try reading the rule book and the constant 'extra duties' being put on referees with the Mark etc and indeed ambiguity with the rules.
Further, see my point about having officals in a normal league game to help a referee out.
At times it is the players that are ignorant of the rules, in one instance last year I had players and managers of one time arguing with me that there was no such thing as teh square ball anymore.
So how do we fix it?
Sin Bin?
One player sanctioned to speak to a referee?
More severe punishment and bans for breaches?
I know there will be a lot of vitriol in response to this, however as a referee I appreciate that there will be no Gaelic Games with the volunteers and players that keep it running, however there will also be no games without referees." I see soccer ex-referees on the TV now and sometimes doing bits on the radio discussing controversial decisions or rules interpretration texted in from listeners, explaining the rules and if referees made correct calls in some cases. I was a bit wary at the start, thinking some ex-referees were just after a few quid and a bit of limelight. But most of the time I don't have a clue of the rules and I'll be saying good call or bad call after the ex-ref explained it. What would you think if some TV or Radio stations here had a ref or ex-ref explaining rules and/of interpreting decisions?
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7335 - 17/03/2017 03:17:26
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Replying To Cuckoosinging: "I think refs showing players some respect would go a long way, In games were ref gives a free against you, You cant even ask him what free was for and he moves the ball forward and has a set against you for rest of the match.
I feel you should be allowed question refs to understand what they saw or think they saw. Look at Rugby for an example, The refs explain the reasons they made a decision and whether you agree or not at least you understand what it was for.
The game has evolved but standard of refereeing has gone back years. Its in a crisis" Well said, players would feel less aggrieved if referees explained themselves.
I also think having PROPER trained umpires would help the referees too, especially with the pace of modern game, referees need eyes in the back of their heads.
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Replying To Bon: "Well said, players would feel less aggrieved if referees explained themselves.
I also think having PROPER trained umpires would help the referees too, especially with the pace of modern game, referees need eyes in the back of their heads." Do all referees not indicate what the free is for? I expect they do the hand signals for over carrying, push, pulling the jersey etc? A player might not agree with the decision but there is little point having a discussion on it, just get on with the game.
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some parents, supporters,mentors etc are an embarrasement to the club . It only take about 5 minutes from the start of the game for them to start roaring at the ref. It's awful. normal quiet respectable people get so wound up at football matches. that's fine if you are infront of the TV but when you are within earshot of the ref and the playrs it's hard to listen to. Any manager or mentor who abuses the ref should be removed the sideline or the ref should file a complaint against the club. The manager should be hauled up before a committee and warned of his future behaviour.
s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 17/03/2017 11:31:53
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Ok there are a few sides to this. It does go without saying that some of the refereeing is brutal.
That doesn't however give any player the right to challenge everything. I know when I am a captain or even in general my personal rule is that the captain should be the only one to speak. I play midfield so I do understand that was easier for me.
The black card should be used more as this is one of the rules it can be used for. If all referees decided they would clamp down and black card accordingly then I really do believe it would stop. The problem is 1 ref if any call it but every other ref don't.
What I would love, especially at inter county, is that a team should be able to lodge an objection to certain referees. There are referees out there that appear to have it in for a team. I'm sure it is not intentional but maybe its style of play or that the unintentional believe what they read/hear in the media or something. I do believe that the appeals situation in GAA is a joke. The referees decision should be final unless there is complete proof that nothing happened. How many times to people get off on technicalities. Its a joke at times tbh. especially when some players go through several different appeals processes to find a loophole. All this does is undermines the authority of the referee.
To finish I have to say that the game wouldn't exist without the referees so even if they make mistakes, and I get very annoyed at times, they are very important
dstuction (Donegal) - Posts:1100 - 16/03/2017 15:51:23Teams should never be allowed object to appointment of referees. Referees all have their own style of play as well and teams simply have to adjust to the referee appointed just like they do to the teams they play. Everyone knows Tyrone play differently to Dublin for example and its the same with referees.The technicalities like no name in irish or whatever on a form is a joke and things like that do nothing to help the game.
In Gaelic and hurling its not feasible to just have one person speak to the ref but possibly it could be at max 3 people - 1/2 in backs and then either 1/2 in forwards.
I think some of us think the lack of consistent application of the rules amongst top referees is annoying. One ref's name taken, no card in the first few minutes is another's blind eye turned in the last minute of a close game, another's black card with a penalty given, etc. I think there is no need at all for a black card. Just consistent application of , nothing happened, name taken, yellow card, red card rules using common sense in most cases rather than whistle-happy following the absolute letter of the law. Do you think the black card rule is easy to implement and makes your job easier or was it easier pre-black card?
Are referees assessed during games and given feedback on where they can improve but, more importantly, where they're doing well? Even if they're just doing a few things well some encouragement might keep them going rather than be constantly criticised.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts:3375 - 17/03/2017 03:16:53They are assessed and in GAA at all levels you are actually marked out of 20 etc in areas like technical fouls, management of the game.
ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 17/03/2017 12:01:34
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I am with the ref's here, I have been on sidelines at many a game club and county, adult and juvenile and some of the vile reprobates that pass for coaches and mentors is amazing, amazing how parents and other club members tolerate these lunatics. If you wouldn't do it in public or private why would you do it on the sidelines? Last week I was at underage inter-county match, the ref was fair in a very tight game, he dished out 3 yellows to losing team and two yellows and red to winning team. Yet he was pursued by the opposing parents into the dressing room and then to his car and what were they complaining about? Who knows! What they were NOT complaining about was losing a 7 point lead and losing by 2 in the first minute of added time THAT is not what they were moaning about, no it was "soft free's" too much added time it was baffling. Some people feel that divinity is accorded them when they take a team of 9 year old's out onto a pitch. I don't care how the rules are applied or not applied - attacking referee's in the manner I have seen is disgraceful and unfortunately counter-productive. At leats at Inter-county you have neutral officials in club games you don't the ref is on his own litteraly. And anyone who thinks they should first deserve respect should go and take up bare knuckle fighting. The rules are not great, nor is the level of officiating in GAA but you cannot confront and abuse a person when they are only trying to do their best. Take your frustrations out on some thing else, stay away from our games your not wanted.
arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4895 - 17/03/2017 12:18:37
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