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I honestly believe bringing GAA into the professional world will solve a lot of problems. Here is why and how it should be done -
1. County Teams professional only.
2. NO player shall turn professional until 18 or finished school.
3. Club teams play as normal. County players are contracted not to play club. Fixtures sorted!!!
4. When a Club player gets a professional contract, their club gets a sum of money to be used on club development.
5. NO players to transferred from county to county. When players get to age 18, the club their with in that county, is the county they play for life if there good enough. However club players can still transfer at any stage but can if they make county standard later in life, they go back to their original county only.
6. If a player is not happy with his contract, he can easily play club football and get a good education.
7. Sponsorship Money is taken in by the GAA (CAREFULLY TRACKED) to be give evenly to county boards for club teams.
8. Wages are also payed by GAA to players and management. ( Capped remember). Each manager shall be paid the evenly no matter where they are from. Players wages shall be negotiated by player and management team and by a GAA regulator looking over every counties funds.
9. GAA format will change to a league format with two 16 team leagues (open draw to see which teams in which league) top 8 teams from each shall go onto the last 16 team with the final back in september.
10. More games, means more airtime, means more major sponsors, means a lot more money for clubs and GAA. We deserve our game to on a world stage and this is the way!
EASY LADS,
any questions there now??
.tribute (Cavan) - Posts: 360 - 10/03/2017 10:26:11
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Replying To .tribute: "I honestly believe bringing GAA into the professional world will solve a lot of problems. Here is why and how it should be done -
1. County Teams professional only.
2. NO player shall turn professional until 18 or finished school.
3. Club teams play as normal. County players are contracted not to play club. Fixtures sorted!!!
4. When a Club player gets a professional contract, their club gets a sum of money to be used on club development.
5. NO players to transferred from county to county. When players get to age 18, the club their with in that county, is the county they play for life if there good enough. However club players can still transfer at any stage but can if they make county standard later in life, they go back to their original county only.
6. If a player is not happy with his contract, he can easily play club football and get a good education.
7. Sponsorship Money is taken in by the GAA (CAREFULLY TRACKED) to be give evenly to county boards for club teams.
8. Wages are also payed by GAA to players and management. ( Capped remember). Each manager shall be paid the evenly no matter where they are from. Players wages shall be negotiated by player and management team and by a GAA regulator looking over every counties funds.
9. GAA format will change to a league format with two 16 team leagues (open draw to see which teams in which league) top 8 teams from each shall go onto the last 16 team with the final back in september.
10. More games, means more airtime, means more major sponsors, means a lot more money for clubs and GAA. We deserve our game to on a world stage and this is the way!
EASY LADS,
any questions there now??" Right so there's 34 teams in the football championship, with a panel of 30 players per team , that's over 1,000 players. So how would one determine what each player gets in terms of a wage? A sub on a county who might never get a run with the county would end up not allowed play club cause he's on the county and then he ends up playing no ball !!!! We just don't have the finance for it, it's not like soccer in England where you get packed stadiums for hundreds of games every weekend .
ke40 (Kildare) - Posts: 209 - 10/03/2017 11:07:37
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You would with difficulty with turning professional and not allowing freedom of movement and trade. I.E. contrived barriers to stop professionals ply their trade. There would have to be movement between counties of players.
I would prefer to see a model where by funding is decentralized and poor final management is de-incentiveised in the GAA, their is definitely a culture of entitlement nationally in the GAA with no competency frameworks and or targets that have to be hit to get funding, it just rolls in year after year guaranteed and is very poorly accounted for.
TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 10/03/2017 11:42:13
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Replying To ke40: "Right so there's 34 teams in the football championship, with a panel of 30 players per team , that's over 1,000 players. So how would one determine what each player gets in terms of a wage? A sub on a county who might never get a run with the county would end up not allowed play club cause he's on the county and then he ends up playing no ball !!!! We just don't have the finance for it, it's not like soccer in England where you get packed stadiums for hundreds of games every weekend ." I knew someone would compare it to soccer....soccer is completing on a different scale obviously..everyone knows that.
But pro 12 teams in rugby can do it. I would say GAA can be big enough to do what they can do!
.tribute (Cavan) - Posts: 360 - 10/03/2017 12:20:31
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Replying To TheUsername: "You would with difficulty with turning professional and not allowing freedom of movement and trade. I.E. contrived barriers to stop professionals ply their trade. There would have to be movement between counties of players.
I would prefer to see a model where by funding is decentralized and poor final management is de-incentiveised in the GAA, their is definitely a culture of entitlement nationally in the GAA with no competency frameworks and or targets that have to be hit to get funding, it just rolls in year after year guaranteed and is very poorly accounted for." Why can't you stop movement of players from county to county?
GAA is an organisation that can make rules?
It can be done!!
.tribute (Cavan) - Posts: 360 - 10/03/2017 12:25:39
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Replying To .tribute: "I honestly believe bringing GAA into the professional world will solve a lot of problems. Here is why and how it should be done -
1. County Teams professional only.
2. NO player shall turn professional until 18 or finished school.
3. Club teams play as normal. County players are contracted not to play club. Fixtures sorted!!!
4. When a Club player gets a professional contract, their club gets a sum of money to be used on club development.
5. NO players to transferred from county to county. When players get to age 18, the club their with in that county, is the county they play for life if there good enough. However club players can still transfer at any stage but can if they make county standard later in life, they go back to their original county only.
6. If a player is not happy with his contract, he can easily play club football and get a good education.
7. Sponsorship Money is taken in by the GAA (CAREFULLY TRACKED) to be give evenly to county boards for club teams.
8. Wages are also payed by GAA to players and management. ( Capped remember). Each manager shall be paid the evenly no matter where they are from. Players wages shall be negotiated by player and management team and by a GAA regulator looking over every counties funds.
9. GAA format will change to a league format with two 16 team leagues (open draw to see which teams in which league) top 8 teams from each shall go onto the last 16 team with the final back in september.
10. More games, means more airtime, means more major sponsors, means a lot more money for clubs and GAA. We deserve our game to on a world stage and this is the way!
EASY LADS,
any questions there now??" Where does the money come from?
gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 10/03/2017 12:35:52
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i like the idea...as for the fella who asked about a sub on a county team getting no football, thats the risk he takes by turning pro. Plenty of lads are like that in professional sport.
Frederick (Louth) - Posts: 479 - 10/03/2017 12:40:13
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Replying To gotmilk: "Where does the money come from?" Major Sponsors like most professional sports
.tribute (Cavan) - Posts: 360 - 10/03/2017 13:11:47
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Replying To .tribute: "Why can't you stop movement of players from county to county?
GAA is an organisation that can make rules?
It can be done!!" The European Court of Justice made a precedental decision concerning freedom of movement for workers (specifically sport ptofessional), freedom of association, and direct effect of article 39[2] (formerly 48) of the EC Treaty. I.e. its illegal to restrict a professional sport professionals from moving to another county if their contract with their existing county has been fulfilled.
Fundamentally, once a professional sportsperson has fulfilled his contract he is entitled to sign another one with a different county under Eu law.
TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 10/03/2017 13:17:36
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Replying To .tribute: "Why can't you stop movement of players from county to county?
GAA is an organisation that can make rules?
It can be done!!" small little matter of employment legislation which would supersede the GAA
Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 10/03/2017 13:33:10
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Replying To .tribute: "Major Sponsors like most professional sports" DUBLIN same as allways
Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 10/03/2017 13:34:02
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Replying To TheUsername: "The European Court of Justice made a precedental decision concerning freedom of movement for workers (specifically sport ptofessional), freedom of association, and direct effect of article 39[2 (formerly 48) of the EC Treaty. I.e. its illegal to restrict a professional sport professionals from moving to another county if their contract with their existing county has been fulfilled.
Fundamentally, once a professional sportsperson has fulfilled his contract he is entitled to sign another one with a different county under Eu law."]Its a GAA contract. Not a County. He can freely move to another organisation when the contract is up. He is contracted to the GAA and therefore has to follow their rules.
.tribute (Cavan) - Posts: 360 - 10/03/2017 13:37:14
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Financially a professional Gaa is very workable - 12 football teams , 12 hurling teams - 25 on a panal each player gets 40k. GAA currently has Revenue of 100m ! More than enough
bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4624 - 10/03/2017 13:53:01
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Replying To Damothedub: "small little matter of employment legislation which would supersede the GAA" Read post I put up. Players will be on contract with the GAA, not the county which doesn't breach any laws!
.tribute (Cavan) - Posts: 360 - 10/03/2017 14:13:47
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Replying To bad.monkey: "Financially a professional Gaa is very workable - 12 football teams , 12 hurling teams - 25 on a panal each player gets 40k. GAA currently has Revenue of 100m ! More than enough" A professional GAA player will be capped. 1 to 2 thousand will probably be your average wage at the start!
Please read the points.
.tribute (Cavan) - Posts: 360 - 10/03/2017 14:17:21
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Replying To Damothedub: "DUBLIN same as allways" Get on your first flight out of Dublin mate. Your stuck in a rut there. Plenty of the world to see. You just might be afraid not to go back
.tribute (Cavan) - Posts: 360 - 10/03/2017 14:30:48
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Replying To .tribute: "A professional GAA player will be capped. 1 to 2 thousand will probably be your average wage at the start!
Please read the points." Yeah the points were nonsense
bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4624 - 10/03/2017 14:40:34
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Replying To .tribute: "A professional GAA player will be capped. 1 to 2 thousand will probably be your average wage at the start!
Please read the points." That doesn't change anything mate, its just the GAA restricting them moving as opposed to the county. So if a player say plays for Leitrim decides he wants to live in Dublin and have a family, his three year contract is up at Leitrim and chooses to play for Dublin the Gaa are breaking the law by not allowing him as a professional sportsperson. Now you may say the GAA will just not give him contract and to hell with him and but there in is the legal case for challenge especially if its a 24 year old all star.
Equally as we all know Dublin have a panel of players who would fancy their chances on being a key player on any other county side. If one decides after their contract with Dublin is up to chance their arm with say Westmeath, they again could challenge the GAA, they likely would have a few Leinsters and All Irelands under their belts etc thats easily another legal challenge. You might say give them all 10 year contracts, but thats not really feasible or economic really is it.
What about lads who still want to play who might be surpless to requirements at a Kerry, Mayo or Dublin but could well do a great job for a Wexford, Clare or Limerick and earn a living, yes, another legal challenge there.
Point being if the game goes professional the law is the law when it comes to professionals plying a trade, of course the principle is different as ametures.
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Replying To .tribute: "Read post I put up. Players will be on contract with the GAA, not the county which doesn't breach any laws!" A little bit of reading on 'contract law' might help to clarify a few points for you.
neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 10/03/2017 15:28:13
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It's a nice idea but you haven't shown how it could be financially viable. If you don't want to be regarded as a troll please try taking on board some of the replies rather than replying dismissively.
There are just 4 Irish Pro 12 teams playing in a well established professional competition across 4 unions. Every player can have a chance to play for their country. GAA offers none of that and probably never will. Not a good comparison.
You're saying this could be paid for by major sponsors like other professional sports, wages for 1000+ players? Different wage scales, performance-related bonuses, benefits, insurance etc. What sponsors would they be? No international brand is going to invest millions into a market as small as Ireland. They'd have no return in investment unless the GAA could expand the coverage to bigger markets. I'd have more faith in that happening if some marketing gurus came in and said we can get ye TV and media deals in expat countries like the US, Australia etc and maybe some sponsors might buy in. Ultimately it'll down to counties to be self-sustaining as teams are in professional sports, paying themselves and not paid by sponsors for the game or by a governing body.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7344 - 10/03/2017 16:10:47
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