National - Allow 17-year-olds play Adult

There just aren't enough games for under 17's and under 18's and to allow the former to play adult games (note the word "allow", not "compel") makes sense to me.
The power for GAA clubs to dictate fixture scheduling and formats has been pretty much taken away so Congress and a change to the existing rule is a start in terms of providing a few extra games for these lads.

Heraf (Laois) - Posts:305 - 21/02/2017 15:09:06   1959185

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Replying To manfromdelmonte:  "how does that help the average 17 year old club player?"
It means most are eligible to play hurling at this level. Most of the stronger counties are divided into two or three so it's a great opportunity for 'the average U17 club player' to be part of one of these squads. Comprendez?

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts:3320 - 21/02/2017 15:40:49   1959206

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Replying To keeper7:  "It means most are eligible to play hurling at this level. Most of the stronger counties are divided into two or three so it's a great opportunity for 'the average U17 club player' to be part of one of these squads. Comprendez?"
Ok so they play 3/4 games in that. What happens then?

Do Longford even bother with a team?

valley84 (Westmeath) - Posts:1210 - 21/02/2017 17:06:27   1959259

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if your good enough your old enough.... please let 17 year olds play lads especially Hurling in the weaker counties as there is nothing to keep elite sportspersons to play Hurling or Comogie no good hanging around for 4 or 5 games a year they wont hang about......gone forever

kikfada (Louth) - Posts:2039 - 23/02/2017 18:39:38   1959995

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Replying To valley84:  "Ok so they play 3/4 games in that. What happens then?

Do Longford even bother with a team?"
6 games actually. And yes, Longford bother to compete in it.

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts:3320 - 23/02/2017 19:10:12   1960003

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Replying To kikfada:  "if your good enough your old enough.... please let 17 year olds play lads especially Hurling in the weaker counties as there is nothing to keep elite sportspersons to play Hurling or Comogie no good hanging around for 4 or 5 games a year they wont hang about......gone forever"
Why are there only 4 or 5 games a year.

Minor players in Antrim get 10 league games, a championship and another regional cup competition.

What is stopping other counties from providing the same?

It doesn't need rule changes from Croke Park to provide this either.

It doesn't even need submission to county boards. Individual clubs could organise and run tournaments.

In your club why don't you organise say an 11 a-side u17 hurling tournament to be played over a few summer weekends. Use it as a fundraising opportunity.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts:1318 - 23/02/2017 19:10:30   1960004

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Replying To Whammo86:  "Why are there only 4 or 5 games a year.

Minor players in Antrim get 10 league games, a championship and another regional cup competition.

What is stopping other counties from providing the same?

It doesn't need rule changes from Croke Park to provide this either.

It doesn't even need submission to county boards. Individual clubs could organise and run tournaments.

In your club why don't you organise say an 11 a-side u17 hurling tournament to be played over a few summer weekends. Use it as a fundraising opportunity."
Ok.
lets take Roscommon. 7 hurling clubs, 6 of whom might have a minor team
Westmeath. 15 clubs. 11 might have a minor team.
Mayo. 12 clubs. 7 of whom might have a minor team
how many games can they play against each other before it gets boring?

manfromdelmonte (UK) - Posts:439 - 23/02/2017 20:17:09   1960029

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Replying To manfromdelmonte:  "Ok.
lets take Roscommon. 7 hurling clubs, 6 of whom might have a minor team
Westmeath. 15 clubs. 11 might have a minor team.
Mayo. 12 clubs. 7 of whom might have a minor team
how many games can they play against each other before it gets boring?"
Run a league and championship for every year. U12, u13, u14, u15, u16, u17, minor.

7 teams will mean 6 league games and a championship game, most players will play at least 2 grades getting 14 games a season.

Maybe seed championship based on league performance or have league playoffs to keep it interesting.

Play other 7 a-side and 11 a-side tournaments. Invite clubs from neighbouring counties to freshen things up in these competitions.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts:1318 - 23/02/2017 23:13:57   1960084

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Bottom line is that the narrowing of age bands is going to reward clubs who actively look after their players from a young age regardless of their ability
Those clubs who continue to focus on the best players selecting 14 year olds ahead of 16 year olds on under 16 teams etc to try to win matchs and so on will be the ones who fail while clubs who encourage , coach and play those kids who start slow and need good coaching will thrive through participation rates being increased as kids stay on longer.

there is nothing wrong with the rule.

the rule I object to is the removal of the minor grade and its replacement with an under 17 grade which seems to have gone over everyones head.
far too big a gap between under 17 and under 21 for those lads to be getting games in a lot of clubs will put players in a limbo of 12 months without games

twiceasnice97 (Clare) - Posts:9 - 24/02/2017 07:43:46   1960112

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Ok. lets take Roscommon. 7 hurling clubs, 6 of whom might have a minor team
Westmeath. 15 clubs. 11 might have a minor team.
Mayo. 12 clubs. 7 of whom might have a minor team
how many games can they play against each other before it gets boring?
manfromdelmonte (UK) - Posts:431 - 23/02/2017 20:17:09
Play cross county competitions especially in counties with small number of clubs and are weaker counties. Why be restricted by county borders?
If you have 6 clubs at minor at an age grade then look to play competitions with clubs from other counties.

Bottom line is that the narrowing of age bands is going to reward clubs who actively look after their players from a young age regardless of their ability
Those clubs who continue to focus on the best players selecting 14 year olds ahead of 16 year olds on under 16 teams etc to try to win matchs and so on will be the ones who fail while clubs who encourage, coach and play those kids who start slow and need good coaching will thrive through participation rates being increased as kids stay on longer.
there is nothing wrong with the rule.
the rule I object to is the removal of the minor grade and its replacement with an under 17 grade which seems to have gone over everyones head.
far too big a gap between under 17 and under 21 for those lads to be getting games in a lot of clubs will put players in a limbo of 12 months without games
twiceasnice97 (Clare) - Posts:9 - 24/02/2017 07:43:46
Narrowing the age bands helps things. Allowing 16 year olds play while best 14s simply just play 14s helps more.
I think its very simple to change things about minor. Change it to under 17 and change under 21 to 20 and then the gap is still the same.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts:12768 - 24/02/2017 14:03:14   1960228

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Twiceasnice,

"the rule I object to is the removal of the minor grade and its replacement with an under 17 grade which seems to have gone over everyones head.
far too big a gap between under 17 and under 21 for those lads to be getting games in a lot of clubs will put players in a limbo of 12 months without games"

Pretty sure that rule only applies at county level NOT at club level.

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts:3320 - 24/02/2017 14:13:37   1960232

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Replying To ormondbannerman:  "Ok. lets take Roscommon. 7 hurling clubs, 6 of whom might have a minor team
Westmeath. 15 clubs. 11 might have a minor team.
Mayo. 12 clubs. 7 of whom might have a minor team
how many games can they play against each other before it gets boring?
manfromdelmonte (UK) - Posts:431 - 23/02/2017 20:17:09
Play cross county competitions especially in counties with small number of clubs and are weaker counties. Why be restricted by county borders?
If you have 6 clubs at minor at an age grade then look to play competitions with clubs from other counties.

Bottom line is that the narrowing of age bands is going to reward clubs who actively look after their players from a young age regardless of their ability
Those clubs who continue to focus on the best players selecting 14 year olds ahead of 16 year olds on under 16 teams etc to try to win matchs and so on will be the ones who fail while clubs who encourage, coach and play those kids who start slow and need good coaching will thrive through participation rates being increased as kids stay on longer.
there is nothing wrong with the rule.
the rule I object to is the removal of the minor grade and its replacement with an under 17 grade which seems to have gone over everyones head.
far too big a gap between under 17 and under 21 for those lads to be getting games in a lot of clubs will put players in a limbo of 12 months without games
twiceasnice97 (Clare) - Posts:9 - 24/02/2017 07:43:46
Narrowing the age bands helps things. Allowing 16 year olds play while best 14s simply just play 14s helps more.
I think its very simple to change things about minor. Change it to under 17 and change under 21 to 20 and then the gap is still the same."
cross border hurling competitions between a few football counties are very tough to run

manfromdelmonte (UK) - Posts:439 - 24/02/2017 15:02:23   1960243

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cross border hurling competitions between a few football counties are very tough to run
manfromdelmonte (UK) - Posts:434 - 24/02/2017 15:02:23
What then do you do? It would be difficult to run but it would be better than alternatives...

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts:12768 - 24/02/2017 15:46:56   1960255

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Replying To manfromdelmonte:  "[quote=ormondbannerman:  "Ok. lets take Roscommon. 7 hurling clubs, 6 of whom might have a minor team
Westmeath. 15 clubs. 11 might have a minor team.
Mayo. 12 clubs. 7 of whom might have a minor team
how many games can they play against each other before it gets boring?
manfromdelmonte (UK) - Posts:431 - 23/02/2017 20:17:09
Play cross county competitions especially in counties with small number of clubs and are weaker counties. Why be restricted by county borders?
If you have 6 clubs at minor at an age grade then look to play competitions with clubs from other counties.

Bottom line is that the narrowing of age bands is going to reward clubs who actively look after their players from a young age regardless of their ability
Those clubs who continue to focus on the best players selecting 14 year olds ahead of 16 year olds on under 16 teams etc to try to win matchs and so on will be the ones who fail while clubs who encourage, coach and play those kids who start slow and need good coaching will thrive through participation rates being increased as kids stay on longer.
there is nothing wrong with the rule.
the rule I object to is the removal of the minor grade and its replacement with an under 17 grade which seems to have gone over everyones head.
far too big a gap between under 17 and under 21 for those lads to be getting games in a lot of clubs will put players in a limbo of 12 months without games
twiceasnice97 (Clare) - Posts:9 - 24/02/2017 07:43:46
Narrowing the age bands helps things. Allowing 16 year olds play while best 14s simply just play 14s helps more.
I think its very simple to change things about minor. Change it to under 17 and change under 21 to 20 and then the gap is still the same."
cross border hurling competitions between a few football counties are very tough to run"]Correct. If Longford teams play in Westmeath or Roscommon they have to travel to all fixtures. Also, the other county will take no notice of any clashes with Longford fixtures.

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts:3320 - 24/02/2017 17:04:26   1960284

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Replying To Breffnisbest:  "FAIR play to the Monasterevin GAA club in Kildare , who'll be brining a motion to Congress seeking the overturning of the ban on 17-year-olds playing adult matches which was brought in last year . Club secretary Dominic Stapleton says the motion "has had a detrimental effect on small/rural clubs throughout the country. I have engaged with numerous club administrators and members in a lot of counties and everyone agreed that this made the survival of the rural GAA club even more challenging than it had traditionally been. Some see it as potentially being the straw to break the camel's back." He's right.
Monasterevin's motion was passed unanimously at the Kildare Convention and a similar motion by the Courtwood club in Laois met with the same result at the Laois Convention.
Anyone with any interest in the plight of the GAA's smaller clubs should get behind these motions and make sure they're passed at Congress. The original ban was a classic piece of Politically Correct piety, and if the motion is passed it will be a declaration that these clubs, rather than the Croke Park hierarchy know what is best for their future. Who could disagree with that?"
was this motion passed?

Gael85 (Dublin) - Posts:1362 - 25/02/2017 18:02:17   1960559

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https://www.kildarenow.com/gaa/kildares-motion-brought-gaa-congress-gets-turned/147338

Just seen motion failed

Gael85 (Dublin) - Posts:1362 - 25/02/2017 18:28:09   1960566

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joke

manfromdelmonte (UK) - Posts:439 - 25/02/2017 19:01:17   1960575

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Motion 50: 17 year-olds can partake in U-21 and U-20 grades
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17-year-olds can now play U-21 hurling and U-20 football (a competition which comes into being next year).

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts:3320 - 25/02/2017 19:05:05   1960577

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