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Don't understand the hype around them.

A lot of people putting them down as the team to rattle the Dubs in the summer outside of Mayo and Kerry.

Not for me.

I think they are ordinary

They have one or two stand outs, Sean Cavanagh obviously, one of the greatest, Peter harte too, that aside, would any of the other top teams fear anyone in that jersey, I doubt it.

They lack a free taker with any consistency and they've not enough scoring forwards.

They may well beat us on Saturday, Infact I expect them to despite my prediction on Ollies thread, but in the championship, they wont beat Dublin, They wont beat Kerry, And they wont beat Mayo.

And without beating at least one of those guys, you wont win an all Ireland.

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 07/02/2017 15:08:11    1953309

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Tyrone are always hyped up, for sure. Since winning the three their teams have always been given the nod for All Ireland Contenders and have fell well short of the mark. This year I see a change in the tide.

I quoted 2010 as being the year Dublin found their feet, since then and 7 years on they have just been immense. Tyrone on other hand, 7 years ago the wheels came off and have been playing catch up since. But is 2017 Tyrone's' year to get the monkey of the back? Tyrone just need that one win over the big three as you call them and they'll be serious opposition as a result.

They may not win the All Ireland but I can see them maybe becoming one of the big 3, with either Kerry or Mayo stepping outside the circle.

There are issues for sure - full forward line for sure but the way they play the full forward line is needed more for creating space rather than as talisman, the scores come from runners further back.

I seen the weakness last year more in the physicality of the younger players who are maturing nicely.

Your brave to write anyone off at this point? You had your Weetabix this morning.

cacsmckilly (Tyrone) - Posts: 1294 - 07/02/2017 16:30:05    1953337

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Replying To waynoI:  "Don't understand the hype around them.

A lot of people putting them down as the team to rattle the Dubs in the summer outside of Mayo and Kerry.

Not for me.

I think they are ordinary

They have one or two stand outs, Sean Cavanagh obviously, one of the greatest, Peter harte too, that aside, would any of the other top teams fear anyone in that jersey, I doubt it.

They lack a free taker with any consistency and they've not enough scoring forwards.

They may well beat us on Saturday, Infact I expect them to despite my prediction on Ollies thread, but in the championship, they wont beat Dublin, They wont beat Kerry, And they wont beat Mayo.

And without beating at least one of those guys, you wont win an all Ireland."
Why did you back Dublin if you think that?

The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 07/02/2017 18:19:44    1953394

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Replying To waynoI:  "Don't understand the hype around them.

A lot of people putting them down as the team to rattle the Dubs in the summer outside of Mayo and Kerry.

Not for me.

I think they are ordinary

They have one or two stand outs, Sean Cavanagh obviously, one of the greatest, Peter harte too, that aside, would any of the other top teams fear anyone in that jersey, I doubt it.

They lack a free taker with any consistency and they've not enough scoring forwards.

They may well beat us on Saturday, Infact I expect them to despite my prediction on Ollies thread, but in the championship, they wont beat Dublin, They wont beat Kerry, And they wont beat Mayo.

And without beating at least one of those guys, you wont win an all Ireland."
You're saying Mattie Donnelly wouldn't walk onto Dublin Team??? Agree with a lot of your post but I feel Tyrone are 2 forwards and a freetaker away from landing an AI - I would also say that you are basing your comments on reading and listening to pundits - Sean C won't even start this year and Pete Harte great player and is mentioned by default all the time - team of week is example on HS this week. Saw the highlights and Peter was average by his own standards but it was Mattie D who ran the show and wasn't mentioned on team of week.

IrishGael3 (USA) - Posts: 1092 - 07/02/2017 19:13:00    1953410

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The fact they won Ulster and reached AI semi final is going to put them in that conversation. This year will show just how close they are to making the breakthrough. If they can retain Ulster then the real tests will come.Like any other team , until they best a recent finalist then I wouldn't mind any type.

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 07/02/2017 19:49:44    1953418

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I would put Tyrone as third best team in the country at present.Kerry are our main threat,for me anyway.I fear Mayo could suffer a bit this year and i would fancy our chances all day long against them.

Tyrone play a nice brand of possession based football.I was impressed with them in the League Div 2 final in Croke Park last year and thought coming away from HQ that day that they really could put it up to Dublin.They fad their chances late in the game v Mayo but minus their talisman they shot some silly wides.

Sean Cavanagh has been the best all round footballer for me in the last 15 years.A phenomanal player.His last score in Ulster final last year was one of the finest i ever saw.A man for the big occassion.But father time waits for nobody and it remains to be seen if he can keep up his impeccably high standards.

Peter Harte and Mattie Donnelly are top drawer footballers,also.The skill levels and ball handling of all the players are excellent.Where they do seem a little short is in the scoring stakes.Whereas Dublin can call on upto 10 quality forwards who can all trouble the scoreboard on any given day,Tyrone do not have this in their armoury and this is where they may well fall short.I do like watching them play and i feel Micky Harte is confident he has enough artillery to,at least,make September's final.They are a big threat.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 07/02/2017 20:29:59    1953430

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Replying To cacsmckilly:  "Tyrone are always hyped up, for sure. Since winning the three their teams have always been given the nod for All Ireland Contenders and have fell well short of the mark. This year I see a change in the tide.

I quoted 2010 as being the year Dublin found their feet, since then and 7 years on they have just been immense. Tyrone on other hand, 7 years ago the wheels came off and have been playing catch up since. But is 2017 Tyrone's' year to get the monkey of the back? Tyrone just need that one win over the big three as you call them and they'll be serious opposition as a result.

They may not win the All Ireland but I can see them maybe becoming one of the big 3, with either Kerry or Mayo stepping outside the circle.

There are issues for sure - full forward line for sure but the way they play the full forward line is needed more for creating space rather than as talisman, the scores come from runners further back.

I seen the weakness last year more in the physicality of the younger players who are maturing nicely.

Your brave to write anyone off at this point? You had your Weetabix this morning."
Your post is bang on.

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8589 - 07/02/2017 21:11:18    1953437

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Forwards win matches, the lads we have at present are all nice little footballers but come all Ireland quarter final and semi final time they have always failed to produce the goods.
Until we actually find one or two big game forwards and a free taker as well we will continue to fall short.
Some other Tyrone posters will disagree but you have to ask yourself the question, will we be able to outscore the likes of Dublin, Kerry or even Mayo when it comes to the business end of the championship? I don't believe we will but I'd love to be proven wrong.

duke_raul (Tyrone) - Posts: 993 - 07/02/2017 21:16:36    1953443

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Replying To Dubh_linn:  "The fact they won Ulster and reached AI semi final is going to put them in that conversation. This year will show just how close they are to making the breakthrough. If they can retain Ulster then the real tests will come.Like any other team , until they best a recent finalist then I wouldn't mind any type."
They won Ulster but didn't reach semi final, beat by Mayo in quarter

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 07/02/2017 21:23:57    1953446

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Replying To royaldunne:  "They won Ulster but didn't reach semi final, beat by Mayo in quarter"
Correct, indeed they were.

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 07/02/2017 21:54:05    1953456

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Replying To IrishGael3:  "You're saying Mattie Donnelly wouldn't walk onto Dublin Team??? Agree with a lot of your post but I feel Tyrone are 2 forwards and a freetaker away from landing an AI - I would also say that you are basing your comments on reading and listening to pundits - Sean C won't even start this year and Pete Harte great player and is mentioned by default all the time - team of week is example on HS this week. Saw the highlights and Peter was average by his own standards but it was Mattie D who ran the show and wasn't mentioned on team of week."
Hi hum. Errrr mattie Donnelly only lasted ten minutes. Running the show? Some going for only playing ten mins.

mayotyroneman (Tyrone) - Posts: 1821 - 07/02/2017 22:31:52    1953467

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Was just thinking there, its 6 years since we played in the championship, almost a generation in playing terms since that rainy night when we put you to bed proper. There was 7 points in it that night and it should have been a lot more.
Next time around, it will be a hell of a lot closer, if Saturday's game was an AI Q-F or the likes, I'd be quite nervous I have to admit.

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8589 - 07/02/2017 22:59:39    1953479

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Replying To IrishGael3:  "You're saying Mattie Donnelly wouldn't walk onto Dublin Team??? Agree with a lot of your post but I feel Tyrone are 2 forwards and a freetaker away from landing an AI - I would also say that you are basing your comments on reading and listening to pundits - Sean C won't even start this year and Pete Harte great player and is mentioned by default all the time - team of week is example on HS this week. Saw the highlights and Peter was average by his own standards but it was Mattie D who ran the show and wasn't mentioned on team of week."
Wasn't mattie taken off inj after 15 mins or so??

eunans4ever (Donegal) - Posts: 1595 - 07/02/2017 23:52:00    1953488

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Replying To waynoI:  "Don't understand the hype around them.

A lot of people putting them down as the team to rattle the Dubs in the summer outside of Mayo and Kerry.

Not for me.

I think they are ordinary

They have one or two stand outs, Sean Cavanagh obviously, one of the greatest, Peter harte too, that aside, would any of the other top teams fear anyone in that jersey, I doubt it.

They lack a free taker with any consistency and they've not enough scoring forwards.

They may well beat us on Saturday, Infact I expect them to despite my prediction on Ollies thread, but in the championship, they wont beat Dublin, They wont beat Kerry, And they wont beat Mayo.

And without beating at least one of those guys, you wont win an all Ireland."
Forgot Donnelly a all star but wind up thread

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 08/02/2017 02:56:36    1953508

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I also think that Tiernan McCann is a fantastic player, He can break at speed, his skill levels are high, he can break tackles and take a score, Niall Sludden has improved a lot and they do have scoring forwards (unlike us) such as Mark Bradley, Darren McCurry and Ronan O' Neill, it's a shame that Conor Mcaliskey is injured this year. Also I rate Colm Cavanagh very highly as a sweeper or midfielder, add to that Cathal McCarron and you have quite a few who would get on to most teams. I still rate them as the best in Ulster with Donegal second and Monaghan third. How does the draw pan out this year, i.e. if the ulster champs get through their quarter-final, who do they play in semi- (what provincial winner).

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 08/02/2017 03:31:41    1953511

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Replying To s goldrick:  "I also think that Tiernan McCann is a fantastic player, He can break at speed, his skill levels are high, he can break tackles and take a score, Niall Sludden has improved a lot and they do have scoring forwards (unlike us) such as Mark Bradley, Darren McCurry and Ronan O' Neill, it's a shame that Conor Mcaliskey is injured this year. Also I rate Colm Cavanagh very highly as a sweeper or midfielder, add to that Cathal McCarron and you have quite a few who would get on to most teams. I still rate them as the best in Ulster with Donegal second and Monaghan third. How does the draw pan out this year, i.e. if the ulster champs get through their quarter-final, who do they play in semi- (what provincial winner)."
Ulster plays Leinster this tear

jacktheDub (Dublin) - Posts: 944 - 08/02/2017 08:08:37    1953519

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what do Tyrone people make of Lee Brennan's chances of breaking into the first 15 and having a major influence on the score board? I've heard good things about him at club level and underage at county level as well.

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2385 - 08/02/2017 09:40:29    1953533

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Replying To IrishGael3:  "You're saying Mattie Donnelly wouldn't walk onto Dublin Team??? Agree with a lot of your post but I feel Tyrone are 2 forwards and a freetaker away from landing an AI - I would also say that you are basing your comments on reading and listening to pundits - Sean C won't even start this year and Pete Harte great player and is mentioned by default all the time - team of week is example on HS this week. Saw the highlights and Peter was average by his own standards but it was Mattie D who ran the show and wasn't mentioned on team of week."
What a stupid post! Why comment on the game when you didn't see any of it? Pay your gaago fee man. Mattie Donnelly was taken off with concussion after about 3 touches. Peter Harte absolutely ran the show along with niall sludden!

Tyrone were disappointing, but always are in omagh tbh. I cannot see us beat Dublin Saturday night but I don't think that's a bad thing as long as we give them a game. where we are at is for the media to spin as they need a big northern bad guy to come down again. Dublin are the best around but even their arrogant fans (like the guy who started this thread) would like to see competition.

In all likelihood sean Cavanagh will be starting this year and taking frees from the right. The forward line hope is mark Bradley who was player of the year in tyrone last year. If he can transfer this to the county then a 2 man inside forward line of him and big cav should do the trick.

We have a hungry young team who seem dying to take another step forward. The mayo game last year would have taught them a lot, so will Saturday night.

Also what a gutless comment posting on the dub page that tyrone would win then coming on here saying they won't?? underlines that your comments are aimed to get a reaction

redhanddefender (Tyrone) - Posts: 913 - 08/02/2017 10:32:31    1953549

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I'm looking forward to seeing Tyrone in action Saturday night.

I don't think they've been hyped up really at all. They're in the process of building a new team and won an Ulster Championship last summer. They've some of the best footballers in the country in Cavanagh, Donnelly and Harte so they're rightly considered as a decent outside bet for the All-Ireland title.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13707 - 08/02/2017 12:21:03    1953593

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Naturally Tyrone will always be hyped up given their success in the last 15 years and that their still under the same management.

They missed a great chance to get to an All Ireland Final, Mayo's performance level was below what it reached in the All Ireland Final yet Tyrone still couldn't beat Mayo. They created a great goal chance, stopped Mayo from getting anywhere near the goal and created more chances from play than Mayo. Tyrone were beaten because their forwards weren't good enough, until that changes I don't see them winning an All Ireland. I've been impressed with Sludden and McShane & Bradley have a lot of potential. Bradley maybe very small in stature but that hasn't stopped Galways Danny Cummins from becoming a very good corner forward although its taken him several years to be finally consistent.

Tyrone's forward line isn't good enough as a unit to win it and their going to have to rely on new players making the breakthrough to change that.

TheWestIsAwake (UK) - Posts: 529 - 08/02/2017 12:35:59    1953599

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