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Sports bodies face financial penalties unless 30pc of their board is female
New gender quotas 'to give women a full role in Irish sport'; GAA, FAI and IRFU have no female members on boards
The country's sporting bodies will lose thousands of euro in State funding unless 30pc of their board positions are filled by women, the Irish Independent can reveal.
In a major policy proposal being brought to Cabinet, associations such as the GAA, FAI and IRFU will be forced to comply with strict gender quotas.
The plan, being devised by Sports Minister Patrick O'Donovan, will prove controversial, particularly in male-dominated sports.
However, Mr O'Donovan last night said the move represented the need for society to recognise the equal right of women to hold high office.
The measures are modelled on a 'carrot and stick' approach whereby the Department of Transport, Tourism and Sport will reduce funding to organisations that fail to comply with the new rules.
From 2019, organisations with more than 10 employees will have to ensure that a third of their boards are made up of women. The rule will come into force a year later, in 2020, for smaller bodies with fewer than 10 employees.
At present, many large sporting organisations have few women on their boards.
The board of directors at GAA, the IRFU and the FAI have no female representative whatsoever. However, there are many who hold positions outside of the main boards in these organisations.
Taoiseach Enda Kenny is understood to be supportive of the move, which follows the decision by the Fine Gael/Labour coalition to introduce gender quotas in relation to Dáil seats.
In an interview with the Irish Independent, Mr O'Donovan said he wanted to see a situation where there were "no glass ceilings" for women in sport.
"I have had discussions with figures from other European countries and I believe the time is now right for Ireland to begin the conversation as to how we take out glass ceilings for women," the Limerick TD said.
"We have to make sure there is every available opportunity at the table for both women and men."
Mr O'Donovan said the measure was "gender neutral" and that in cases where boards were predominantly made up of women, the same 30pc rule would apply for male members.
He said the details of the exact funding cuts would be worked out and that a memo would go to Cabinet in the new year.
Sixty-five organisations ranging from household names such as the GAA and IRFU to smaller bodies like those overseeing hockey and basketball received taxpayer money totally €27m this year.
The funding is allocated through Sport Ireland, which co-ordinates the sustainable development of competitive and recreational sport.
The gender quota measures represent the first major policy announcement from the department since the formation of the new Government.
"I have spoken to the Taoiseach, who is right up to speed with what I'm trying to do. It is something that I believe is important and now is the right time to have this conversation," Mr O'Donovan said.
"This is not about trying to dictate in terms of boards. But everybody must have the opportunity to play a full role in Irish sport, both on the field but also in positions of governance and leadership," he added.
Earlier this year, Mr O'Donovan introduced strict new rules surrounding personnel, finances and decision-making for sports bodies.
The measures meant that all bodies under the auspices of Sport Ireland would have to sign up to a 87-page voluntary code of governance.
Irish Independent
Complete b*llox if you ask me.What happened to the whole idea of the best person getting the job.Also for the GAA it doesn't make much sense as it's 2 biggest sports are played by men only and the women have their own associations.
uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts: 1296 - 12/12/2016 12:43:36
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Its great idea. Should hopefully get more young girls involved in sport long term
Complete b*llox if you ask me.What happened to the whole idea of the best person getting the job.
This never existed. Thats the whole point
bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4624 - 12/12/2016 13:02:37
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Replying To bad.monkey: "Its great idea. Should hopefully get more young girls involved in sport long term
Complete b*llox if you ask me.What happened to the whole idea of the best person getting the job.
This never existed. Thats the whole point" Actually it does exist in general.Just because it doesn't always work out doesn't mean the idea of the best person getting the job doesn't exist.Most people when they are employed they go through an interview process and the people doing the interview decide to pick the best person for the job from the candidates who are interviewed.
Ladies Gaelic Football and Camogie are sports dominated by women , how will this change anything when boards concerned with Gaelic Football and Hurling (2 sports women can't play) have women on them?
uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts: 1296 - 12/12/2016 13:12:32
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Replying To uibhfhaili1986: " Replying To bad.monkey: "Its great idea. Should hopefully get more young girls involved in sport long term
Complete b*llox if you ask me.What happened to the whole idea of the best person getting the job.
This never existed. Thats the whole point" Actually it does exist in general.Just because it doesn't always work out doesn't mean the idea of the best person getting the job doesn't exist.Most people when they are employed they go through an interview process and the people doing the interview decide to pick the best person for the job from the candidates who are interviewed. Ladies Gaelic Football and Camogie are sports dominated by women , how will this change anything when boards concerned with Gaelic Football and Hurling (2 sports women can't play) have women on them?"
bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4624 - 12/12/2016 13:26:22
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Best person for the job simple , secondly remind me what a fantastic job being done in Dublin by women's bodies ??????? Camogie and football young girls are killed by administration in Dublin most of whom are women , over lapping of fixtures poor recovery time etc
Give me a female ref if shes the best
Give me a female Chairperson if shes the best
Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 12/12/2016 13:30:19
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Replying To bad.monkey: " Replying To uibhfhaili1986: "[quote=bad.monkey: "Its great idea. Should hopefully get more young girls involved in sport long term
Complete b*llox if you ask me.What happened to the whole idea of the best person getting the job.
This never existed. Thats the whole point" Actually it does exist in general.Just because it doesn't always work out doesn't mean the idea of the best person getting the job doesn't exist.Most people when they are employed they go through an interview process and the people doing the interview decide to pick the best person for the job from the candidates who are interviewed. Ladies Gaelic Football and Camogie are sports dominated by women , how will this change anything when boards concerned with Gaelic Football and Hurling (2 sports women can't play) have women on them?"
You're just talking bull as usual.
There is a gender imbalance in sport because in general men are simply more interested in sport than women.It's a natural gender imbalance and Gaelic Games where women are in charge of womens sports are the most gender balanced sports in the world.
uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts: 1296 - 12/12/2016 13:38:13
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Replying To bad.monkey: "Its great idea. Should hopefully get more young girls involved in sport long term
Complete b*llox if you ask me.What happened to the whole idea of the best person getting the job.
This never existed. Thats the whole point" Do you really think young kids take up a sport inspired by the idea that they might get a seat on central council in 50 years time??
CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts: 1643 - 12/12/2016 13:38:16
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Do you really think young kids take up a sport inspired by the idea that they might get a seat on central council in 50 years time??
CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts:968 - 12/12/2016 13:38:16
The theory being that more women involved in the admin side of things is more likely to mean that the environment created by the GAA is more likely to attractive to girls and may keep them interested in the sport.
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13704 - 12/12/2016 13:53:17
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Replying To uibhfhaili1986: " Replying To bad.monkey: "[quote=uibhfhaili1986: "[quote=bad.monkey: "Its great idea. Should hopefully get more young girls involved in sport long term
Complete b*llox if you ask me.What happened to the whole idea of the best person getting the job.
This never existed. Thats the whole point" Actually it does exist in general.Just because it doesn't always work out doesn't mean the idea of the best person getting the job doesn't exist.Most people when they are employed they go through an interview process and the people doing the interview decide to pick the best person for the job from the candidates who are interviewed. Ladies Gaelic Football and Camogie are sports dominated by women , how will this change anything when boards concerned with Gaelic Football and Hurling (2 sports women can't play) have women on them?"
You're just talking bull as usual.
There is a gender imbalance in sport because in general men are simply more interested in sport than women.It's a natural gender imbalance and Gaelic Games where women are in charge of womens sports are the most gender balanced sports in the world."]Just listening to SOR this morning and it clearly said the gender balance would be phased in over the next 2/3 years, made up of, 30% male, 30% female and 40% others, best for the job may not be applicable it's the percentages that matters, financial penalties will apply if the percentages are not met.
In politics, we the voters have the final say, but in this case appointments will be made by a selected panel.
Cuhullain (Kildare) - Posts: 271 - 12/12/2016 14:42:03
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Replying To uibhfhaili1986: " Replying To bad.monkey: "[quote=uibhfhaili1986: "[quote=bad.monkey: "Its great idea. Should hopefully get more young girls involved in sport long term
Complete b*llox if you ask me.What happened to the whole idea of the best person getting the job.
This never existed. Thats the whole point" Actually it does exist in general.Just because it doesn't always work out doesn't mean the idea of the best person getting the job doesn't exist.Most people when they are employed they go through an interview process and the people doing the interview decide to pick the best person for the job from the candidates who are interviewed. Ladies Gaelic Football and Camogie are sports dominated by women , how will this change anything when boards concerned with Gaelic Football and Hurling (2 sports women can't play) have women on them?"
You're just talking bull as usual.
There is a gender imbalance in sport because in general men are simply more interested in sport than women.It's a natural gender imbalance and Gaelic Games where women are in charge of womens sports are the most gender balanced sports in the world."]Or perhaps girls are turned away from sport at a young age because it is so male dominanted and seen as 'for boys' and not due to a lack of interest...
bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4624 - 12/12/2016 15:34:34
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Replying To bad.monkey: " Replying To uibhfhaili1986: "[quote=bad.monkey: "[quote=uibhfhaili1986: "[quote=bad.monkey: "Its great idea. Should hopefully get more young girls involved in sport long term
Complete b*llox if you ask me.What happened to the whole idea of the best person getting the job.
This never existed. Thats the whole point" Actually it does exist in general.Just because it doesn't always work out doesn't mean the idea of the best person getting the job doesn't exist.Most people when they are employed they go through an interview process and the people doing the interview decide to pick the best person for the job from the candidates who are interviewed. Ladies Gaelic Football and Camogie are sports dominated by women , how will this change anything when boards concerned with Gaelic Football and Hurling (2 sports women can't play) have women on them?"
You're just talking bull as usual.
There is a gender imbalance in sport because in general men are simply more interested in sport than women.It's a natural gender imbalance and Gaelic Games where women are in charge of womens sports are the most gender balanced sports in the world."]Or perhaps girls are turned away from sport at a young age because it is so male dominanted and seen as 'for boys' and not due to a lack of interest..."]Nah.Sure Gaelic Games have there own separate bodies for the sport rub by women for women.
We all know women in general don't have as much interest in sport as men.
uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts: 1296 - 12/12/2016 15:51:35
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Ridiculous. "At least 30%". So that means they can have 100% women and be fine? This could only happen with these lads running the country.
I'm all for the best person getting the job but why not have a quota then for camogie where at least 30% are men?
When I heard this, this morning I was sure it was a wind up
tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 12/12/2016 16:43:34
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Replying To uibhfhaili1986: " Replying To bad.monkey: "[quote=uibhfhaili1986: "[quote=bad.monkey: "[quote=uibhfhaili1986: "[quote=bad.monkey: "Its great idea. Should hopefully get more young girls involved in sport long term
Complete b*llox if you ask me.What happened to the whole idea of the best person getting the job.
This never existed. Thats the whole point" Actually it does exist in general.Just because it doesn't always work out doesn't mean the idea of the best person getting the job doesn't exist.Most people when they are employed they go through an interview process and the people doing the interview decide to pick the best person for the job from the candidates who are interviewed. Ladies Gaelic Football and Camogie are sports dominated by women , how will this change anything when boards concerned with Gaelic Football and Hurling (2 sports women can't play) have women on them?"
You're just talking bull as usual.
There is a gender imbalance in sport because in general men are simply more interested in sport than women.It's a natural gender imbalance and Gaelic Games where women are in charge of womens sports are the most gender balanced sports in the world."]Or perhaps girls are turned away from sport at a young age because it is so male dominanted and seen as 'for boys' and not due to a lack of interest..."]Nah.Sure Gaelic Games have there own separate bodies for the sport rub by women for women.
We all know women in general don't have as much interest in sport as men."]They want to get girls interested and participating in sport. This will certainly change the perception that sport is only for boys
bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4624 - 12/12/2016 16:56:03
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Replying To bad.monkey: " Replying To uibhfhaili1986: "[quote=bad.monkey: "[quote=uibhfhaili1986: "[quote=bad.monkey: "[quote=uibhfhaili1986: "[quote=bad.monkey: "Its great idea. Should hopefully get more young girls involved in sport long term
Complete b*llox if you ask me.What happened to the whole idea of the best person getting the job.
This never existed. Thats the whole point" Actually it does exist in general.Just because it doesn't always work out doesn't mean the idea of the best person getting the job doesn't exist.Most people when they are employed they go through an interview process and the people doing the interview decide to pick the best person for the job from the candidates who are interviewed. Ladies Gaelic Football and Camogie are sports dominated by women , how will this change anything when boards concerned with Gaelic Football and Hurling (2 sports women can't play) have women on them?"
You're just talking bull as usual.
There is a gender imbalance in sport because in general men are simply more interested in sport than women.It's a natural gender imbalance and Gaelic Games where women are in charge of womens sports are the most gender balanced sports in the world."]Or perhaps girls are turned away from sport at a young age because it is so male dominanted and seen as 'for boys' and not due to a lack of interest..."]Nah.Sure Gaelic Games have there own separate bodies for the sport rub by women for women.
We all know women in general don't have as much interest in sport as men."]They want to get girls interested and participating in sport. This will certainly change the perception that sport is only for boys"]There is no perception that sport is only for boys though.
uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts: 1296 - 12/12/2016 17:15:19
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Hopefully, the Minister for Sport and "Gender Equality" will ensure the rules will apply to the bottom line too.
He should enforce the Rule that for all Men's and Women's fixture 50% of the volunteers who cut the grass, line the pitch, stake flags and officiate the games must be of the female gender. Oh, not forgetting opening the grounds and the dressing rooms and cleaning up afterwards. Presently, trying to find just one female volunteer for the aforementioned work would be a bonus.
I am not anyway hopeful though that Minister O'Donovan will take on board any of the above ideas. To me, he is being nice to the Sisters in the Irish media who forever and a day like to have a pop at men. It is no wonder most males under 40 never buy a newspaper when every day they would have to read female columnists having a banal pop at men.
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The current particpation levels of females in sport is incredibly low. The idea that women are not interested in sport is BS.
The current system of it being male dominately at all the top levels clearly doesnt not work. Great to see people actually trying to address this in a real and meaningful way
bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4624 - 12/12/2016 18:14:27
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Replying To ballagoballa: "Hopefully, the Minister for Sport and "Gender Equality" will ensure the rules will apply to the bottom line too.
He should enforce the Rule that for all Men's and Women's fixture 50% of the volunteers who cut the grass, line the pitch, stake flags and officiate the games must be of the female gender. Oh, not forgetting opening the grounds and the dressing rooms and cleaning up afterwards. Presently, trying to find just one female volunteer for the aforementioned work would be a bonus.
I am not anyway hopeful though that Minister O'Donovan will take on board any of the above ideas. To me, he is being nice to the Sisters in the Irish media who forever and a day like to have a pop at men. It is no wonder most males under 40 never buy a newspaper when every day they would have to read female columnists having a banal pop at men." The notion that women do not pull their weight in volunteering is laughable
bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4624 - 12/12/2016 18:25:45
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Women make up 50% of us.
The levels of sporting participation amongst women are quite low in comparison to men.
It'd be a great to try and boost those female participation rates so that more women can get the benefit that sport can bring.
I don't know if this will definitely work but I genuinely don't see a downside to giving it a go.
The poor oppressed middle class white male in the western world routine doesn't quite cut it for me.
This isn't a male v female debate it's about making our sporting organisations work better for us all. Male, female or whatever you're having yourself.
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13704 - 12/12/2016 20:04:04
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Replying To bad.monkey: "The current particpation levels of females in sport is incredibly low. The idea that women are not interested in sport is BS.
The current system of it being male dominately at all the top levels clearly doesnt not work. Great to see people actually trying to address this in a real and meaningful way" Your first line there is a complete contradiction.
And the idea that women are not as interested in sport as men are is 100% correct.They aren't as interested in sport in general.
Also Gaelic Games for women are governed by women so there should be no reason that women don't get involved in Gaelic Games for any supposed sexist reasons.
uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts: 1296 - 12/12/2016 20:04:17
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Replying To uibhfhaili1986: "Your first line there is a complete contradiction.
And the idea that women are not as interested in sport as men are is 100% correct.They aren't as interested in sport in general.
Also Gaelic Games for women are governed by women so there should be no reason that women don't get involved in Gaelic Games for any supposed sexist reasons." Next they'll be telling us that each hurling team must have 7 and 1/2 females on the team. PC and all such crap gone mad.
lochgarmanabu (Wexford) - Posts: 1020 - 12/12/2016 20:34:39
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