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Still feel there's a year or 2 of a window for Mayo to win an all-ireland. A couple of years til Kerry reach their peak and Dublin to slip a little, from mileage basically. I know Mayo have mileage too which hunger should override. Plenty of other factors too like the progress of Tyrone to name just one. Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 07/10/2016 13:33:41 1923740 Link
Replying To Laois76: "Still feel there's a year or 2 of a window for Mayo to win an all-ireland. A couple of years til Kerry reach their peak and Dublin to slip a little, from mileage basically. I know Mayo have mileage too which hunger should override. Plenty of other factors too like the progress of Tyrone to name just one." Dublin have the strength in depth.They have won 4 League titles in a row.They need to rest key players next Spring and try out new players during the League.If they don't overly worry about the League and keep things fresh for the Summer,they have a great chance of doing the three in a row next September.Undoubtedly, Dublin looked tired in the drawn Final and replay and Jim Gavin will have noted that and will plan for 2017 to take account of that. endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2162 - 07/10/2016 13:45:17 1923752 Link
Replying To endgame: "Dublin have the strength in depth.They have won 4 League titles in a row.They need to rest key players next Spring and try out new players during the League.If they don't overly worry about the League and keep things fresh for the Summer,they have a great chance of doing the three in a row next September.Undoubtedly, Dublin looked tired in the drawn Final and replay and Jim Gavin will have noted that and will plan for 2017 to take account of that." The Dubs now have more wins than Tyrone last decade so there's a difference in the teams but it should be remembered how much people banged on about Tyrone's strength in depth and conveyor belt of talent. Talented coming off the bench to freshen up the legs of a great team is a completely different prospect to starting the match, having to be a leader and having that level of expectation on their shoulders and that was Tyrone, if the Dubs that replace the current crop aren't of the same quality from 1-15 it'll get really ugly really fast Seansy48 (Tyrone) - Posts: 237 - 07/10/2016 14:01:19 1923760 Link
I would be amazed if Dublin go the distance again next year. My crystal ball tells me they will go out to Tyrone in the semi after waltzing through Leinster unchallenged. It's one of Mayo, Tyrone or Kerry for me. All have their issues. Mayo and Tyrone suffer from the lack of a free scoring forward(s), and Tyrone lack a free-taker as well. Kerry are carrying too many older lads with high mileage. This has cost them dearly in the closing stages of matches too many times now. Expect several new names on the teamsheet in 2017. How they gel and adapt to senior football will determine their season. That said, they have two top forwards in Geaney and JOD, get enough ball into them and they can beat anybody. it will be interesting. I couldn't pick a winner now as there are four very good teams in it. I can't see a winner outside of this obvious group. GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 07/10/2016 14:29:11 1923778 Link
Replying To GeniusGerry: "I would be amazed if Dublin go the distance again next year. My crystal ball tells me they will go out to Tyrone in the semi after waltzing through Leinster unchallenged. It's one of Mayo, Tyrone or Kerry for me. All have their issues. Mayo and Tyrone suffer from the lack of a free scoring forward(s), and Tyrone lack a free-taker as well. Kerry are carrying too many older lads with high mileage. This has cost them dearly in the closing stages of matches too many times now. Expect several new names on the teamsheet in 2017. How they gel and adapt to senior football will determine their season. That said, they have two top forwards in Geaney and JOD, get enough ball into them and they can beat anybody. it will be interesting. I couldn't pick a winner now as there are four very good teams in it. I can't see a winner outside of this obvious group." nonsense - Tyrone dont have the scoring forwards to be there come September - Kerry and Donegal do. For me its; 1.Dublin 2. Kerry 3. Donegal 4. Tyrone Mayo will fall back into the pack they where lucky to reach this years final Tyrone should have beat them if they had showed a bit more ambition in the game. They ran an understandably tired Dublin team close in the final ulster83 (Tyrone) - Posts: 114 - 07/10/2016 14:45:54 1923792 Link
Replying To GeniusGerry: "I would be amazed if Dublin go the distance again next year. My crystal ball tells me they will go out to Tyrone in the semi after waltzing through Leinster unchallenged. It's one of Mayo, Tyrone or Kerry for me. All have their issues. Mayo and Tyrone suffer from the lack of a free scoring forward(s), and Tyrone lack a free-taker as well. Kerry are carrying too many older lads with high mileage. This has cost them dearly in the closing stages of matches too many times now. Expect several new names on the teamsheet in 2017. How they gel and adapt to senior football will determine their season. That said, they have two top forwards in Geaney and JOD, get enough ball into them and they can beat anybody. it will be interesting. I couldn't pick a winner now as there are four very good teams in it. I can't see a winner outside of this obvious group." We have the perfect game plan for Tyrone and our defence is up their with the best of them now We have found new players, and we'll have Jack McCaffrey back and maybe Rory O'Carroll but that's more 50/50, we have a lot of cover back there now as it stands. That's going to be a highly valuable asset next year. If faced by Tyrone we'll have the perfect strategic setup to take them on, in fact any team that sets up defensively But it could well be Monagahan or Donegal or maybe even Cavan! We have an abundance of talented 20-23 year olds that will get their chance in the league now, who have already been attached to the senior panel and have AI medals, so they are experienced. Dublin lost key players across 2016, and didn't score as much as previous seasons, and still Dublin didn't lose a single game apart from the O'Byrne cup if you want to be pedantic about it Dublin IMO will be stronger next year and you'll see a fresh injection of very talented young lads into the league panel while resting a few of the 3-4 medal players Winning the league next ear would be great, but 4 in a row and not losing a single game last year in NFL DIV 1 cant really be bettered. So I cans see Gavin resting key players, and giving the young lads a go jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 07/10/2016 14:53:10 1923795 Link
Replying To GeniusGerry: "I would be amazed if Dublin go the distance again next year. My crystal ball tells me they will go out to Tyrone in the semi after waltzing through Leinster unchallenged. It's one of Mayo, Tyrone or Kerry for me. All have their issues. Mayo and Tyrone suffer from the lack of a free scoring forward(s), and Tyrone lack a free-taker as well. Kerry are carrying too many older lads with high mileage. This has cost them dearly in the closing stages of matches too many times now. Expect several new names on the teamsheet in 2017. How they gel and adapt to senior football will determine their season. That said, they have two top forwards in Geaney and JOD, get enough ball into them and they can beat anybody. it will be interesting. I couldn't pick a winner now as there are four very good teams in it. I can't see a winner outside of this obvious group." Yeah, definetly one of the three you mention next year . We will do our best but it's impossible to do 3 in a row anymore. Ah well, it was good while it lasted. Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 07/10/2016 15:10:43 1923806 Link
Replying To Dubh_linn: "Yeah, definetly one of the three you mention next year . We will do our best but it's impossible to do 3 in a row anymore. Ah well, it was good while it lasted." He said 4 cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5012 - 07/10/2016 15:35:56 1923821 Link
Replying To ulster83: "nonsense - Tyrone dont have the scoring forwards to be there come September - Kerry and Donegal do. For me its; 1.Dublin 2. Kerry 3. Donegal 4. Tyrone Mayo will fall back into the pack they where lucky to reach this years final Tyrone should have beat them if they had showed a bit more ambition in the game. They ran an understandably tired Dublin team close in the final" Still smarting a little? BlastCalyle (Mayo) - Posts: 206 - 07/10/2016 15:47:46 1923828 Link
Replying To jimbodub: "We have the perfect game plan for Tyrone and our defence is up their with the best of them now We have found new players, and we'll have Jack McCaffrey back and maybe Rory O'Carroll but that's more 50/50, we have a lot of cover back there now as it stands. That's going to be a highly valuable asset next year. If faced by Tyrone we'll have the perfect strategic setup to take them on, in fact any team that sets up defensively But it could well be Monagahan or Donegal or maybe even Cavan! We have an abundance of talented 20-23 year olds that will get their chance in the league now, who have already been attached to the senior panel and have AI medals, so they are experienced. Dublin lost key players across 2016, and didn't score as much as previous seasons, and still Dublin didn't lose a single game apart from the O'Byrne cup if you want to be pedantic about it Dublin IMO will be stronger next year and you'll see a fresh injection of very talented young lads into the league panel while resting a few of the 3-4 medal players Winning the league next ear would be great, but 4 in a row and not losing a single game last year in NFL DIV 1 cant really be bettered. So I cans see Gavin resting key players, and giving the young lads a go" Such a lengthy post to say, we're winning again next year and no one can stop us So much can happen in sport, 1 bad patch of injuries and it's over for example You assume McCaffrey will be there fit and healthy, you assume Tyrone will set up in the exact same way, you assume the lads who aren't starting will perform the same way when the fate of the team rests on their shoulders, you assume the lads that are starting won't start to show signs of age. It's a long time until next September! Mayo made Dublin bleed on the first final day, if they can bleed they can be killed. All the defending in the world won't help them if they get held scoreless for 28 minutes again. Can't see Donegal in particular and Tyrone to a lesser extent giving away those own goals! Seansy48 (Tyrone) - Posts: 237 - 07/10/2016 16:32:29 1923842 Link
Replying To jimbodub: "We have the perfect game plan for Tyrone and our defence is up their with the best of them now We have found new players, and we'll have Jack McCaffrey back and maybe Rory O'Carroll but that's more 50/50, we have a lot of cover back there now as it stands. That's going to be a highly valuable asset next year. If faced by Tyrone we'll have the perfect strategic setup to take them on, in fact any team that sets up defensively But it could well be Monagahan or Donegal or maybe even Cavan! We have an abundance of talented 20-23 year olds that will get their chance in the league now, who have already been attached to the senior panel and have AI medals, so they are experienced. Dublin lost key players across 2016, and didn't score as much as previous seasons, and still Dublin didn't lose a single game apart from the O'Byrne cup if you want to be pedantic about it Dublin IMO will be stronger next year and you'll see a fresh injection of very talented young lads into the league panel while resting a few of the 3-4 medal players Winning the league next ear would be great, but 4 in a row and not losing a single game last year in NFL DIV 1 cant really be bettered. So I cans see Gavin resting key players, and giving the young lads a go" Maybe. Yes there is a lot of depth in the Dublin squad and a lot of promising young players. There's a big difference between starting and coming off the bench though. Take Costello for example. He looked immense coming off the bench in the final against a spent Mayo backline. How will he fare as a starter over a full season? Huge players like Flynn, brogan, McCauley and to a lesser extent O'Sullivan look like they are on the wane. Cluxton is also pushing on. Some of these guys are irreplaceable. Their defence is the best around but I think they might struggle to get scores. They were heavily dependent on Rock for scores from frees this year as it is. Maybe all these young lads will come up trumps and they do a three in a row. I don't see it happening personally. To those saying Donegal are in the hunt, I'm not sure about that. They'd need to improve on their quarter final appearance this year 1000% to be even considered IMO. They were a mess tactically, staying ultra defensive even when chasing the game. They'd have a lot of work to do to win the AI. GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 07/10/2016 16:57:13 1923852 Link
Replying To cavanman47: "He said 4" Mayo, Tyrone or Kerry . That three ok . Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 07/10/2016 16:59:03 1923853 Link
Replying To Seansy48: "Such a lengthy post to say, we're winning again next year and no one can stop us So much can happen in sport, 1 bad patch of injuries and it's over for example You assume McCaffrey will be there fit and healthy, you assume Tyrone will set up in the exact same way, you assume the lads who aren't starting will perform the same way when the fate of the team rests on their shoulders, you assume the lads that are starting won't start to show signs of age. It's a long time until next September! Mayo made Dublin bleed on the first final day, if they can bleed they can be killed. All the defending in the world won't help them if they get held scoreless for 28 minutes again. Can't see Donegal in particular and Tyrone to a lesser extent giving away those own goals!" McCaffrey will play a lot of football between now and the start of the championship 2017 He's already playing for his club He's one of the best players we've ever produced He will be a massive addition to an already star studded defensive unit and also greatly bolster our offensive options TBH I don't see Tyrone setting up any other way next year You lack forwards and you're not going to take on Dublin in a shoot out or go man v man You'll play to your strengths but we now have an abundance of experience against defensive setups and in fact are probably the most versed side in the country in countering said tactics, and that experience will only grow across the league, very few teams are going to go man v man. jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 07/10/2016 17:22:34 1923859 Link
To be honest , at this stage you hear this every year about Mayo. I'll readily admit I thought a couple of times that Mayos time had come but at this stage I have to say it's looking less and less likely.They seem to get themselves in the right position to do the job but then conspire to make a balls of it.Now maybe it will still happen but you would have to wonder how many more attempts will they get and will they be able to take them if they do arrive. Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 07/10/2016 19:06:52 1923884 Link
Mayo will go on, but it must be frustrating to be put back in the pack with the like of The Kerry's of this world. Dublin will be at their stronger next year in this continuing cycle, the panel is frightening, and continues to get stronger. Mayo and Kerry will have another meltdown devising defensive systems to try and beat Dublin, just like this years soul selling of creative football principals. Tyrone and what comes out of Ulster will be a great test, it's been ages since we have had a right good game against Tyrone in decent compitition. If Mayo can keep the level of performence, physicality and intensity they did against Dublin, I see them beating Kerry, Dublin steamrolled Kerry for pace, athleticism and physicality, Mayo will do even better , Kerry aren't up to the standard of a Dublin or Mayo in this respect. I think it will be Dublin and Mayo, mark three. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 07/10/2016 19:44:01 1923897 Link
Mayo very unlucky again the curse is true!! Anyway Kerry will win Sam next year. Dublin for Leinster, Kerry for Munster Cavan for Ulster, Mayo for Connaught and Tyrone for the league... Cavanlife (Cavan) - Posts: 54 - 07/10/2016 19:55:18 1923903 Link
Replying To ulster83: "nonsense - Tyrone dont have the scoring forwards to be there come September - Kerry and Donegal do. For me its; 1.Dublin 2. Kerry 3. Donegal 4. Tyrone Mayo will fall back into the pack they where lucky to reach this years final Tyrone should have beat them if they had showed a bit more ambition in the game. They ran an understandably tired Dublin team close in the final" Ehhh Donegal are on the way down Cavanlife (Cavan) - Posts: 54 - 07/10/2016 19:57:51 1923904 Link
Replying To TheUsername: "Mayo will go on, but it must be frustrating to be put back in the pack with the like of The Kerry's of this world. Dublin will be at their stronger next year in this continuing cycle, the panel is frightening, and continues to get stronger. Mayo and Kerry will have another meltdown devising defensive systems to try and beat Dublin, just like this years soul selling of creative football principals. Tyrone and what comes out of Ulster will be a great test, it's been ages since we have had a right good game against Tyrone in decent compitition. If Mayo can keep the level of performence, physicality and intensity they did against Dublin, I see them beating Kerry, Dublin steamrolled Kerry for pace, athleticism and physicality, Mayo will do even better , Kerry aren't up to the standard of a Dublin or Mayo in this respect. I think it will be Dublin and Mayo, mark three." Mayo must be blue in the face hearing this stuff year in and year out.Of course they will come out and give it a lash next year but the defeats are taking a big toll at this stage. catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 07/10/2016 20:25:32 1923916 Link
Replying To catch22: "Mayo must be blue in the face hearing this stuff year in and year out.Of course they will come out and give it a lash next year but the defeats are taking a big toll at this stage." Mayo have good U21s coming through and at least 5 of them should be brought in Kerry after 3 good minor wins are same Tyrone have 2-3 more to come into the team and I really don't see Dublin's panel changing a lot. I can't believe Dublin have 3 in a row I them. Cold analysis says they staggered to this All-Ireland with Mayo making mistake after mistake. So to me it's Kerry v Tyrone to watch out for and if Mayo do the cold analysis and let the disgust breed over the winter there is no reason at all why Mayo can't win it in 2017. cjx (Tyrone) - Posts: 270 - 07/10/2016 20:50:16 1923926 Link
Replying To cjx: "Mayo have good U21s coming through and at least 5 of them should be brought in Kerry after 3 good minor wins are same Tyrone have 2-3 more to come into the team and I really don't see Dublin's panel changing a lot. I can't believe Dublin have 3 in a row I them. Cold analysis says they staggered to this All-Ireland with Mayo making mistake after mistake. So to me it's Kerry v Tyrone to watch out for and if Mayo do the cold analysis and let the disgust breed over the winter there is no reason at all why Mayo can't win it in 2017." There's talent coming through all right for sure on a couple of fronts.Dublin will find it extremely hard to win another title next year agreed but I think they will plan differently and will have to place less emphasis on the league. Kerry will be the problem for mayo though in the semi I think as they have the knack of timing it right and are a bogey team for them. Time will tell anyway but until they win it there will be doubts. Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 07/10/2016 21:17:00 1923931 Link