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Just a few questions for Kerry posters who might be in the know. Is there any word on Donaghy, Marc O'Sé and O'Mahony staying on for 2017? Also do people think David Clifford could get a call up to the panel even though he'll still be minor. I'd imagine he'll be let mature.

Reading the other topics on the national forum here it would be an understatement to say there's much anticipation for future showdowns!

Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 07/10/2016 12:44:56    1923709

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A lot of speculation but you probably won't hear much until the County championship finishes. Some of the lads might wait until the spring to see how they feel then. I think the Bryan Sheehan, Marc and Aidan are risking having the decision made for them if they don't decide to call it a day, though I suspect that EF would never let it come to that.

There should be a couple of U21's and Juniors ready to come into the Senior panel next year. Some of them were training with the senior panel this year. I wouldn't expect to see Clifford in the senior set-up for a while. he is minor again next year. Some names to watch out for might be Jason Foley, Barry O'Sullivan, Brendan O'Sullivan, Mark O'Connor (if he is not lured to Aus), Killian Spillane. There are more with big potential as well but it depends on how lads go in training of course.

GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 07/10/2016 13:11:43    1923723

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Replying To GeniusGerry:  "A lot of speculation but you probably won't hear much until the County championship finishes. Some of the lads might wait until the spring to see how they feel then. I think the Bryan Sheehan, Marc and Aidan are risking having the decision made for them if they don't decide to call it a day, though I suspect that EF would never let it come to that.

There should be a couple of U21's and Juniors ready to come into the Senior panel next year. Some of them were training with the senior panel this year. I wouldn't expect to see Clifford in the senior set-up for a while. he is minor again next year. Some names to watch out for might be Jason Foley, Barry O'Sullivan, Brendan O'Sullivan, Mark O'Connor (if he is not lured to Aus), Killian Spillane. There are more with big potential as well but it depends on how lads go in training of course."
Thanks GeniusKerry.

It often happens that lesser names on star teams are the ones who make it alright. 18-21 are the big years. Is your former county aussie rules star involved in trying to recruit?

Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 07/10/2016 13:25:09    1923734

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Replying To GeniusGerry:  "A lot of speculation but you probably won't hear much until the County championship finishes. Some of the lads might wait until the spring to see how they feel then. I think the Bryan Sheehan, Marc and Aidan are risking having the decision made for them if they don't decide to call it a day, though I suspect that EF would never let it come to that.

There should be a couple of U21's and Juniors ready to come into the Senior panel next year. Some of them were training with the senior panel this year. I wouldn't expect to see Clifford in the senior set-up for a while. he is minor again next year. Some names to watch out for might be Jason Foley, Barry O'Sullivan, Brendan O'Sullivan, Mark O'Connor (if he is not lured to Aus), Killian Spillane. There are more with big potential as well but it depends on how lads go in training of course."
I was expecting to see Killian Spillane by now but shur then again he was a 2014 minor, age 20 at the most.

Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 07/10/2016 13:26:26    1923735

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Replying To Laois76:  "I was expecting to see Killian Spillane by now but shur then again he was a 2014 minor, age 20 at the most."
Many players wouldn't be ready until 22-24 these days as the game has become so physical. They're better off playing with the U21's first. It will probably be 2020 before you really see the impact of the recent minor success. Some are ready earlier but it's rare these days. It often takes the really top players a couple of seasons to acclimatize to senior football, e.g. look at Ciaran Kilkenny this year who has become one of the best in the country after a couple of seasons as a starter.

Yes Kennelly is courting several of the players apparently. Mark O'Connor is definitely going over for trials. He was one of the best minors I have ever seen. Would be a pity to lose him but it's understandable if he does go.

GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 07/10/2016 13:42:03    1923750

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Will any of these child super stars step up to the starting 15 next year lads?

If so, which ones will we keep an eye on 2017?

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 07/10/2016 19:54:36    1923902

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Will any of these child super stars step up to the starting 15 next year lads?

If so, which ones will we keep an eye on 2017?"
It's hard to know really. Fitzmaurice is such a conservative manager he'll want to keep all the ould lads .
Going by county championship so far Gavin white and tony Brosnan from crokes, mark o'conchúir Tom O'súilleabháin and barra O'súilleabháin Matthew o'flaherty from dingle , Patrick Clifford and Adrian Spillane from templenoe , jack savage from kearns O'Rahillys rob Wharton from South Kerry. But fitz will go with the old lads his old buddies I'd say.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 09/10/2016 21:51:16    1924309

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "It's hard to know really. Fitzmaurice is such a conservative manager he'll want to keep all the ould lads .
Going by county championship so far Gavin white and tony Brosnan from crokes, mark o'conchúir Tom O'súilleabháin and barra O'súilleabháin Matthew o'flaherty from dingle , Patrick Clifford and Adrian Spillane from templenoe , jack savage from kearns O'Rahillys rob Wharton from South Kerry. But fitz will go with the old lads his old buddies I'd say."
I think he has no choice but to change thing up next year. Some of the older regulars will be 37 next summer. Sheehan, while younger does not look like he has the fitness for the top level any more.

To be fair to EF I don't think there was a huge pool of top young players to pick from in recent years and the team he was picking never really let him down. He won in 2014, got to the final in 2015, and went out after a good effort against Dublin this year. That's a good return given the players he has and the injuries he has had to deal with as well. He is a shrewd manager and I'm sure he sees the pattern of his team losing big games in the dying minutes to fitter opposition just as well as we do. As soon as there are younger players ready for the senior team I'm sure they will be picked.

GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 10/10/2016 00:47:41    1924346

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It all sounds promising lads, if you can get that many lads through and they can reach the standard, do you see yourselves being competitive say in 2018, 2019, after a transitional period?

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 10/10/2016 11:05:36    1924421

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Replying To GeniusGerry:  "I think he has no choice but to change thing up next year. Some of the older regulars will be 37 next summer. Sheehan, while younger does not look like he has the fitness for the top level any more.

To be fair to EF I don't think there was a huge pool of top young players to pick from in recent years and the team he was picking never really let him down. He won in 2014, got to the final in 2015, and went out after a good effort against Dublin this year. That's a good return given the players he has and the injuries he has had to deal with as well. He is a shrewd manager and I'm sure he sees the pattern of his team losing big games in the dying minutes to fitter opposition just as well as we do. As soon as there are younger players ready for the senior team I'm sure they will be picked."
I agree Gerry that fitz will pick the best of them but it's how he'll use them after that's the problem. In this years semi he tried to not to lose the game rather than try to win it.
By bringing on a 36 year old defender and taking off our best forward he let the game go.
I mean what must the rest of the lads on the team have been thinking when he made that change.
He did the same thing in the 15 final when he took off geaney and o'donahue , and brought on Galvin. I mean that gave the Dublin backs some oxygen that day.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 10/10/2016 11:21:10    1924432

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Replying To TheUsername:  "It all sounds promising lads, if you can get that many lads through and they can reach the standard, do you see yourselves being competitive say in 2018, 2019, after a transitional period?"
We'll be back in time to stop ye from doing the 5 in a row lad ;-)
In all seriousness you can't put a time limit on the young lads coming through, a lot of them are walking around with their heads in the clouds and they need to be brought down to earth with a bang.
But jack O'Connor should be able to sort that out hopefully.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 10/10/2016 11:27:14    1924435

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The big test for these kerry underage players is next years 21 competition, if they win that then we're all in trouble.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 10/10/2016 11:27:18    1924436

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Replying To TheUsername:  "It all sounds promising lads, if you can get that many lads through and they can reach the standard, do you see yourselves being competitive say in 2018, 2019, after a transitional period?"
Would be surprised personally if we win one before 2019-2020. That said, if Dublin are not at their best next year it's fairly open and Kerry have as good a chance as anybody to sneak in for a 'soft' All Ireland

GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 10/10/2016 13:19:01    1924485

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The Gooch just said he's going again this year on newstalk tonight lads.

He also said Donaghey, O Se and O Mahoney have big decisions in the next "couple of weeks". Surely Donaghey will be the only one with a decision to make?

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 11/10/2016 20:21:03    1925106

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Has to be said whether Marc or O'Mahony go they are some men at 36 years of age. I was sure they'd go after 2014 but to have the hunger to present themselves for their county for 2 more years having won so much. Brilliant. I know people will point out that lots of players stay until their mid 30s and beyond with less successful counties. But usually due to their counties being weaker they mightn't have as much mileage on the clock.

As far as i remember Marc had his first championship start in the drawn Munster game against Cork in 2002 the Sunday after his father died. I remember O'Mahony playing against Tyrone in 2003. Sean Kavanagh of Tyrone being the only player other than the 2 Kerry men playing inter county.

Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 11/10/2016 23:34:39    1925201

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Yes it will be interesting to see how these Kerry minors progress. Dublin won the minor in 1984 but didn't win a senior AI until 1995 so the transition is not straight forward.

KerryKillers (Dublin) - Posts: 711 - 12/10/2016 01:20:58    1925212

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Replying To Laois76:  "Has to be said whether Marc or O'Mahony go they are some men at 36 years of age. I was sure they'd go after 2014 but to have the hunger to present themselves for their county for 2 more years having won so much. Brilliant. I know people will point out that lots of players stay until their mid 30s and beyond with less successful counties. But usually due to their counties being weaker they mightn't have as much mileage on the clock.

As far as i remember Marc had his first championship start in the drawn Munster game against Cork in 2002 the Sunday after his father died. I remember O'Mahony playing against Tyrone in 2003. Sean Kavanagh of Tyrone being the only player other than the 2 Kerry men playing inter county."
Aidan O'Mahony didn't play in 03. Made Kerry debut in 04.

Gael85 (Dublin) - Posts: 1433 - 12/10/2016 08:07:15    1925220

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Replying To TheUsername:  "The Gooch just said he's going again this year on newstalk tonight lads.

He also said Donaghey, O Se and O Mahoney have big decisions in the next "couple of weeks". Surely Donaghey will be the only one with a decision to make?"
You could also add Sheehan to that list, who doesn't look to have the legs for inter-county football any more. All of the above were fine players, some of the best ever to wear the jersey but a time comes when you have to say you've probably given all you can. None of them owe anybody a thing.

I think Donaghy, Cooper and Walsh can stay on for another year or two. It would be very beneficial for the young lads coming in to the squad if they were around, although they may need to be content with a place on the bench.

GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 12/10/2016 09:11:22    1925235

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This is just my opinion from what I seen but after the Dublin semi final Marc O Se and Donaghy came back onto the pitch after the stadium was empty with their kids for me it look like they were saying goodbye one last time with their kids so I'd be very surprised if they came back again next year. I honestly don't get what's taking them so long to make their decision?

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 12/10/2016 10:20:49    1925258

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What I'm wondering is by our older lads staying on is that what's making the likes of mark O'connor and the other great young Kerry fellas we have coming through thinking about heading to oz.
I bet it has .

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 12/10/2016 11:09:30    1925274

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