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What do people think of Eugene McGee's comments on Jim McGuinness? http://www.hoganstand.com/donegal/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=261707 It seems a bit harsh as he was only commenting on the disaster that is the black card. He calls McGuinness the High Priest of gaelic football and the Irish Times give him a platform to expound his theories. Surely McGee is being a total hypocrite as he expounds plenty himself in the Independent every week. He is constantly attacking the state of gaelic football even though he is in a position to influence it. Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts: 1874 - 05/10/2016 11:19:58 1922748 Link
Replying To Green_Gold: "What do people think of Eugene McGee's comments on Jim McGuinness? http://www.hoganstand.com/donegal/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=261707 It seems a bit harsh as he was only commenting on the disaster that is the black card. He calls McGuinness the High Priest of gaelic football and the Irish Times give him a platform to expound his theories. Surely McGee is being a total hypocrite as he expounds plenty himself in the Independent every week. He is constantly attacking the state of gaelic football even though he is in a position to influence it." A classic example of the kettle and the pot Superglue (Kerry) - Posts: 1283 - 05/10/2016 11:36:54 1922758 Link
Replying To Green_Gold: "What do people think of Eugene McGee's comments on Jim McGuinness? http://www.hoganstand.com/donegal/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=261707 It seems a bit harsh as he was only commenting on the disaster that is the black card. He calls McGuinness the High Priest of gaelic football and the Irish Times give him a platform to expound his theories. Surely McGee is being a total hypocrite as he expounds plenty himself in the Independent every week. He is constantly attacking the state of gaelic football even though he is in a position to influence it." Regardless of my own county bias and admiration of Jim McGuinness, McGee comes across as childish and petty in the extreme. The writing is on the wall for the black card. It's not just Jim McGuinness from his ivory tower that's saying it. I would hazard a guess that if you were to ask many of the inter county referees off the record, they'd also agree. Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9134 - 05/10/2016 11:41:50 1922759 Link
"If he was that good why didn't he win a second All-Ireland or a third All-Ireland?" That is laughable. Never been a fan of McGee. Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12118 - 05/10/2016 11:46:38 1922763 Link
mcgee has been preaching himself for a lot longer than mcguinness and should've have been put out to grass long ago. only mc gee and his cronies are in favour of the black card. McGuinness is refreshing in his views generally, that isn't to say I agree with everything he says just because it is him that is saying it. The b/c is a joke, jason doherty should have got a b/c for charging in on cooper before cooper got his b/c, john small should have got a b/c before anyone else, these 2 incidents seemed to be the clearest b/c's in the game. further on from that we had connolly and o'connor wrestling each other to the ground, referee had his back to the incident, but got no help from linesmen or umpires, we have 7 officials watching the game? but they are happy to let the ref paddle his own canoe without any assistance, why doesn't mc gee and his cronies address that??? or more to the point deal with the elephant in the room, DEFINE THE TACKLE!!! they will continue to make mickey mouse changes to the rules without dealing with the real issue. also what went on off the ball in both finals was scandalous, again the ref got no help in either game. totalrecall (Leitrim) - Posts: 916 - 05/10/2016 11:56:30 1922773 Link
Replying To Green_Gold: "What do people think of Eugene McGee's comments on Jim McGuinness? http://www.hoganstand.com/donegal/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=261707 It seems a bit harsh as he was only commenting on the disaster that is the black card. He calls McGuinness the High Priest of gaelic football and the Irish Times give him a platform to expound his theories. Surely McGee is being a total hypocrite as he expounds plenty himself in the Independent every week. He is constantly attacking the state of gaelic football even though he is in a position to influence it." I think the article shows McGee for what he is, a blatant hypocrite. By reverting to personal jibes all his arguments fall down, and to be fair his arguments don't hold much water anyway. He stated only 1.5% of players got black cards this year, but that doesn't say whether they were correct decisions or if more players should have received black cards it's just a figure. If you took a poll right now I would predict a large majority would say the black card has not been a success. The worst thing we can do now is to continue on because the stubborn minority don't want to accept it. mhaith_fear (Donegal) - Posts: 75 - 05/10/2016 11:57:12 1922774 Link
The most idiotic thing Eugene McGee said, besides the stupid jibe at Jimmy Mc, was that 'everyone I talk to thinks the Black Card is great' or some such nonsense. Who the hell is he talking to? Himself in a mirror? Even those who think the Black Card is a great idea can't say that everyone is happy about it or thinks it is working well. From that statement we can deduce that McGee only talks to himself, is lying because he brought in the Black Card. He shouldn't say idiotic things if he doesn't want to leave himself open to being labelled one. MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13707 - 05/10/2016 12:01:00 1922776 Link
Replying To mhaith_fear: "I think the article shows McGee for what he is, a blatant hypocrite. By reverting to personal jibes all his arguments fall down, and to be fair his arguments don't hold much water anyway. He stated only 1.5% of players got black cards this year, but that doesn't say whether they were correct decisions or if more players should have received black cards it's just a figure. If you took a poll right now I would predict a large majority would say the black card has not been a success. The worst thing we can do now is to continue on because the stubborn minority don't want to accept it." Thee gaa should get rid of idiots like him. this is a great organisation but its been held back by decision makers like him. lets get in new blood with fresh ideas. rorysboys (Donegal) - Posts: 2402 - 05/10/2016 12:03:00 1922777 Link
Replying To mhaith_fear: "I think the article shows McGee for what he is, a blatant hypocrite. By reverting to personal jibes all his arguments fall down, and to be fair his arguments don't hold much water anyway. He stated only 1.5% of players got black cards this year, but that doesn't say whether they were correct decisions or if more players should have received black cards it's just a figure. If you took a poll right now I would predict a large majority would say the black card has not been a success. The worst thing we can do now is to continue on because the stubborn minority don't want to accept it." what is your alternative? The inter county managers did no want the sin bin.The black card was then introduced. gohome (USA) - Posts: 20 - 05/10/2016 12:05:51 1922778 Link
Replying To mhaith_fear: "I think the article shows McGee for what he is, a blatant hypocrite. By reverting to personal jibes all his arguments fall down, and to be fair his arguments don't hold much water anyway. He stated only 1.5% of players got black cards this year, but that doesn't say whether they were correct decisions or if more players should have received black cards it's just a figure. If you took a poll right now I would predict a large majority would say the black card has not been a success. The worst thing we can do now is to continue on because the stubborn minority don't want to accept it." what is your alternative? The inter county managers did no want the sin bin.The black card was then introduced. gohome (USA) - Posts: 20 - 05/10/2016 12:06:18 1922779 Link
For me, common sense is the most glaring thing missing from the black card implementation. Take this year's Ulster final. Young Meyler (I think it was) was surrounded by Donegal men and had a wee pull at one of their ankles. It was a foul and a free out. Nothing more. But he is lined in probably the biggest match in his young career. Yet by the letter of the law the ref was right to issue the black card. A joke. We saw it again last Saturday. Moran was ankle tapped by Small in a potentially threatening situation and escapes sanction. But then minutes later Jonny Cooper is gone for a nothing foul out the field. I would agree with some form of extra punishment for a guy who deliberately and cynically stops a goal chance. e.g. a fella is expecting a return pass from a 1-2 which would put him clear on goal but he is body checked. Or a clear drag down when a player is in on goal like McManus in 2013. Wee silly fouls out the field though don't warrant being sent to the line though in my opinion. But it is all very difficult for referees in the heat of battle I will admit. Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9134 - 05/10/2016 12:16:23 1922787 Link
They say love is blind ! Is Eugene McGee the only person in Ireland who cannot see that the black card rule has to be changed ? Apart from the inconsistencies etc, it was always obvious that it would only punish the weaker teams. The top teams' subs are as capable as their starting 15, which is not true for most other teams. michael (Cork) - Posts: 381 - 05/10/2016 12:17:29 1922788 Link
Replying To Breffni39: ""If he was that good why didn't he win a second All-Ireland or a third All-Ireland?" That is laughable. Never been a fan of McGee." If McGee was that good why didn't he win more than one All-Ireland? ;) MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13707 - 05/10/2016 12:23:58 1922793 Link
McGee is one of the old guard who harp on about the good old days when football was great , I defy anyone in the country to sit and watch and all Ireland final from start to finish from 1970 - 1985 and tell me that it was a great game , the highlight reels are great for the rose tinted glasses brigade like McGee etc but the reality is the standard was poor compared to modern standards with a a few shining lights to brighten the game. McGee the old mans Joe Brolly controversial in order to grab attention with little substance to support him ulsterrules (Donegal) - Posts: 259 - 05/10/2016 12:30:38 1922796 Link
Mc Gee's comments are ridiculous. I am actually disappointed that he felt it right to make a personal jibe. I know a lot of people who know Mc Guinness and the last thing you could ever imagine his persona to be was that of a high priest, he never once alluded to himself as such or as the being a saviour or a legend for winning an All Ireland. i never played county football and neither did the majority of people i have spoken to about the game but everyone's opinion is the same, the black card is a disaster!!!! How many terrible calls have we had since its introduction. there's far too many examples to just leave it as it is!! This year alone there has been four big games effected, Tipp v Mayo, Both AI's and the Ulster final. Not to mention all the others theweanling (Cavan) - Posts: 414 - 05/10/2016 12:32:55 1922797 Link
That is one cringeworthy quote from McGee, what is he thinking letting that get published However, I have no doubt that McGee is probably fed up from the non-stop moaning about the black card. People forget that the game was turning into a farce by the end of 2013 with the non stop cynical fouling, the reprimand of a yellow card was not enough. Something needed to be done and the black card was the initial solution. Is it perfect, not at all, inconsistency remains the biggest problem. However, we have to remember that the rule was imposed to stop the carry on that we saw in so many games where players were getting pulled down deliberately to prevent other teams scoring. I for one am happier that the black card has come in during this time then having to have watched more of the cynical fouling that we had seen previously for the last 3 seasons. At least they're going to review it now and hopefully introduce the sin bin which, like the black, will be inconsistent in it's application but I believe works out to be a fairer use of the punishment fitting the crime. keithlemon (Australia) - Posts: 920 - 05/10/2016 12:40:56 1922801 Link
Has anyone ever seen Eugene McGee smile? Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12118 - 05/10/2016 12:44:41 1922803 Link
Replying To gohome: "what is your alternative? The inter county managers did no want the sin bin.The black card was then introduced." Personally I would prefer to see any punishment for cynical fouls reflected on the scoreboard as that is the only thing that teams will actually be concerned with. One simple example and I admit it has flaws, would be for a cynical foul in the attackers half would be a 21m free, if the cynical foul happens in the opposition 45m give a penalty. Now I know people are going to say it there will still be poor decisions and yes there will but I feel a ref is more likely to give a 21m free than send a guy off. I would loosen the ropes a bit on what is a "cynical" foul, as it stands refs are giving blacks because by the letter of the law its a cynical foul as defined in the rule book but anyone who knows the game knows it its not. Again not a perfect solution but solution none the less. mhaith_fear (Donegal) - Posts: 75 - 05/10/2016 12:53:23 1922807 Link
Eugene who? hurlorhurley (Wexford) - Posts: 1660 - 05/10/2016 12:57:25 1922808 Link
I would happily worship at the alter of Jim as opposed to listening to McGee and some of the nonsense he spouts.. EnolaGay (Tyrone) - Posts: 653 - 05/10/2016 13:07:51 1922817 Link