|
Let's just pretend Jim Gavin doesn't tell porky pies and Dublin will not change there game plan to counteract Mayos strengths.
Let's also take it that Mayo will have a bit more to the game plan than push up in the kickout (impossible for 75mins) and boot it in to O Shea.
Mayo have given Dublin Plenty of trouble by keeping their width upfront and letting their halfbacks flood through the middle to create extra numbers.
Mayo have given 10 to 15 mins of full throttle football in each game they have played (bar Tyrone where they just beat them at their own game).
I expect Mayo to concede Dublins kick out for 70% of the game and go all out attack for two or three 10min spells. The success of these bursts will decide the game.
I expect the following match ups:
Harrison v rock - Even
Higgins v McMenamon - Mayo
Keane v brogan - Dublin (McLaughlin as sweeper to even it up)
Keegan v Connolly - Mayo
Boyle v Kilkenny - Mayo
Durcan v Flynn - even
S O S v fenton - Dublin
Vaughan v MDMA - Even
D O Connor v small - Mayo
J Doherty v McCarthy - Dublin
A O S v o Sullivan - Mayo (O Shea will be double marked with McMahon to Swing it dublins way)
Moran v Byrne - Mayo
C o Connor v Cooper - Dublin
Cluxton v Clarke - Dublin
Free taking - Dublin have the edge from long range and 45's
All very even there so the key will be if McMenamin/Connoly/C O Connor can get any few scores which might well make the difference
Dublin normally over run teams with their bench in the last 10-20 mins and Mayo normally leave their subs until it's too late as they hang on to a lead with tiring players. If you compare the benches their isn't much between them, it's how they are used that normally gives Dublin the edge
Bastick v parsons - Mayo (I would start parsons)
Mannion v Dillon - Dublin
O Gara v c o Shea - even
Fitzimons v Barrett - even
c Costello v b Moran - Mayo
P Andrews v c loftus - Dublin
While they won't be marking each other it's how the tiring player will deal with them that really counts. Dublin normally have all subs on with 15 to go and Mayo normally only have one on with 15 to go.
There is nothing between them really, it's on the sideline where it will be won. Rochford is really stepping up in class against Gavin so Dublin are favourites. But if Rochford can adjust mid game he will succeed where all his predecessors as Mayo manager have failed.
Free count will also be a huge factor. Dublin kicked 12 from play v Kerry with 10 wides. It was the free taking that won the game. Mayos discipline has to be spot on to win the day
tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1105 - 04/09/2016 09:17:18
1909813
Link
0
|
|
Dont think the kick outs are the smoking gun most think. Listen every team who have played Dublin are traveled up to the City habe had a kick out strategy and tried the long ball up to a big forward. Both have cost very few problems to be honest. Let us have it, push up, the sacrifice made doing either will be quickly worked out.
Mayo tried the long ball last year with AOS who was pretty invisible in the two games last year. I was concerned about Kerry as they are the best team in the country for kick passing and Donaghey has the handskills to cause damage, didnt happen though, pull James McCarthy back or O' Sullivan for the physical presence to contest and you have one of three nippy full backs with hand everywhere ready to pick up the peices.
The better joy i think comes from running at Dublin or varying your game with kick passing and running, both leave space in behind and i have seen Mayo play more defensive this year. Whether they will commit the runners or have the quality in the kick pass are questions that have to be answered. The only thing left then is keeping Dublin out and pray for a day of wides.
I think the ref will play a big part in the game, i hope Dublin keep their discipline, the good will for a Mayo win country wide concerns me and hope it doesnt sway decisions.
Game management will be important, discpline and who reactsbetter psychologically, will be fascinating.
TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 05/09/2016 11:11:12
1910139
Link
0
|
|
Replying To tirawleybaron: "Let's just pretend Jim Gavin doesn't tell porky pies and Dublin will not change there game plan to counteract Mayos strengths.
Let's also take it that Mayo will have a bit more to the game plan than push up in the kickout (impossible for 75mins) and boot it in to O Shea.
Mayo have given Dublin Plenty of trouble by keeping their width upfront and letting their halfbacks flood through the middle to create extra numbers.
Mayo have given 10 to 15 mins of full throttle football in each game they have played (bar Tyrone where they just beat them at their own game).
I expect Mayo to concede Dublins kick out for 70% of the game and go all out attack for two or three 10min spells. The success of these bursts will decide the game.
I expect the following match ups:
Harrison v rock - Even
Higgins v McMenamon - Mayo
Keane v brogan - Dublin (McLaughlin as sweeper to even it up)
Keegan v Connolly - Mayo
Boyle v Kilkenny - Mayo
Durcan v Flynn - even
S O S v fenton - Dublin
Vaughan v MDMA - Even
D O Connor v small - Mayo
J Doherty v McCarthy - Dublin
A O S v o Sullivan - Mayo (O Shea will be double marked with McMahon to Swing it dublins way)
Moran v Byrne - Mayo
C o Connor v Cooper - Dublin
Cluxton v Clarke - Dublin
Free taking - Dublin have the edge from long range and 45's
All very even there so the key will be if McMenamin/Connoly/C O Connor can get any few scores which might well make the difference
Dublin normally over run teams with their bench in the last 10-20 mins and Mayo normally leave their subs until it's too late as they hang on to a lead with tiring players. If you compare the benches their isn't much between them, it's how they are used that normally gives Dublin the edge
Bastick v parsons - Mayo (I would start parsons)
Mannion v Dillon - Dublin
O Gara v c o Shea - even
Fitzimons v Barrett - even
c Costello v b Moran - Mayo
P Andrews v c loftus - Dublin
While they won't be marking each other it's how the tiring player will deal with them that really counts. Dublin normally have all subs on with 15 to go and Mayo normally only have one on with 15 to go.
There is nothing between them really, it's on the sideline where it will be won. Rochford is really stepping up in class against Gavin so Dublin are favourites. But if Rochford can adjust mid game he will succeed where all his predecessors as Mayo manager have failed.
Free count will also be a huge factor. Dublin kicked 12 from play v Kerry with 10 wides. It was the free taking that won the game. Mayos discipline has to be spot on to win the day" Curious about 2 of your match ups.
Can you elaborate why you think Mayo would have the edge in the following 2?
Higgins v McMenamon - Mayo
Keegan v Connolly - Mayo
CroiGorm (Dublin) - Posts: 1547 - 05/09/2016 11:34:59
1910154
Link
0
|
|
Replying To CroiGorm: "Curious about 2 of your match ups.
Can you elaborate why you think Mayo would have the edge in the following 2?
Higgins v McMenamon - Mayo
Keegan v Connolly - Mayo" I'd be curious about more than just those 2 - it's a very Mayo-biased analysis.
Look, Keegan may well outplay Connolly (he did last year) but there's just as much chance that Connolly kicks 4 or 5 points.
I doubt Higgins will be marking Kev Mac. If he is, given that both are in good form, it's probably 50/50.
Very hard to make a 15 v 15 match-up like you've done (I know you allowed for sweepers) - I think it's going to come down to goals; Dublin haven't scored as many as they would have liked or even expected and Mayo will not score as many points as Dublin IMO.
So can Mayo keep Dublin out? I think they can if they keep the concentration levels up for 75 mins +
Can they score 2+ goals themselves? I'm not so sure - if they do I think they'll win, if they don't (or if they concede goals) I think Dublin will win.
cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5010 - 05/09/2016 11:49:14
1910161
Link
0
|
|
Replying To cavanman47: "I'd be curious about more than just those 2 - it's a very Mayo-biased analysis.
Look, Keegan may well outplay Connolly (he did last year) but there's just as much chance that Connolly kicks 4 or 5 points.
I doubt Higgins will be marking Kev Mac. If he is, given that both are in good form, it's probably 50/50.
Very hard to make a 15 v 15 match-up like you've done (I know you allowed for sweepers) - I think it's going to come down to goals; Dublin haven't scored as many as they would have liked or even expected and Mayo will not score as many points as Dublin IMO.
So can Mayo keep Dublin out? I think they can if they keep the concentration levels up for 75 mins +
Can they score 2+ goals themselves? I'm not so sure - if they do I think they'll win, if they don't (or if they concede goals) I think Dublin will win." Oh believe me, I was more than curious about a few others too but these 2 just stood out to me!
CroiGorm (Dublin) - Posts: 1547 - 05/09/2016 12:22:18
1910183
Link
0
|
|
Those match-ups are highly questionable. It suggests you believe Mayo to have better players than Dublin? You'll need to elaborate on that because all objective analysis says they don't.
Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12116 - 05/09/2016 12:22:20
1910184
Link
0
|
|
Replying To Breffni39: "Those match-ups are highly questionable. It suggests you believe Mayo to have better players than Dublin? You'll need to elaborate on that because all objective analysis says they don't." Yeah I think he was a little bit generous to Mayo in fairness. However expecting objective analysis from either side at this stage is pushing it a bit. All will be revealed in two weeks time, anything in between is sabre rattling.
Llaw_Gyffes (Mayo) - Posts: 1113 - 05/09/2016 22:27:52
1910459
Link
0
|
|
Replying To CroiGorm: "Curious about 2 of your match ups.
Can you elaborate why you think Mayo would have the edge in the following 2?
Higgins v McMenamon - Mayo
Keegan v Connolly - Mayo" They are both even
GameOfTyrones (Tyrone) - Posts: 469 - 06/09/2016 13:24:26
1910687
Link
0
|
|
Replying To cavanman47: "I'd be curious about more than just those 2 - it's a very Mayo-biased analysis.
Look, Keegan may well outplay Connolly (he did last year) but there's just as much chance that Connolly kicks 4 or 5 points.
I doubt Higgins will be marking Kev Mac. If he is, given that both are in good form, it's probably 50/50.
Very hard to make a 15 v 15 match-up like you've done (I know you allowed for sweepers) - I think it's going to come down to goals; Dublin haven't scored as many as they would have liked or even expected and Mayo will not score as many points as Dublin IMO.
So can Mayo keep Dublin out? I think they can if they keep the concentration levels up for 75 mins +
Can they score 2+ goals themselves? I'm not so sure - if they do I think they'll win, if they don't (or if they concede goals) I think Dublin will win." I'm certain the goal count will be high for this ,mayo will know they need goals to win simple as and I'd expect them to go all out for them, Dublin have let a few goals in this year too .
I agree though ,Mayo need at least three goals to win . I do believe they can get three , its just how their own defense deals with the blue wave if they go a few points up
GameOfTyrones (Tyrone) - Posts: 469 - 06/09/2016 13:31:39
1910693
Link
0
|
|
Replying To tirawleybaron: "Let's just pretend Jim Gavin doesn't tell porky pies and Dublin will not change there game plan to counteract Mayos strengths.
Let's also take it that Mayo will have a bit more to the game plan than push up in the kickout (impossible for 75mins) and boot it in to O Shea.
Mayo have given Dublin Plenty of trouble by keeping their width upfront and letting their halfbacks flood through the middle to create extra numbers.
Mayo have given 10 to 15 mins of full throttle football in each game they have played (bar Tyrone where they just beat them at their own game).
I expect Mayo to concede Dublins kick out for 70% of the game and go all out attack for two or three 10min spells. The success of these bursts will decide the game.
I expect the following match ups:
Harrison v rock - Even
Higgins v McMenamon - Mayo
Keane v brogan - Dublin (McLaughlin as sweeper to even it up)
Keegan v Connolly - Mayo
Boyle v Kilkenny - Mayo
Durcan v Flynn - even
S O S v fenton - Dublin
Vaughan v MDMA - Even
D O Connor v small - Mayo
J Doherty v McCarthy - Dublin
A O S v o Sullivan - Mayo (O Shea will be double marked with McMahon to Swing it dublins way)
Moran v Byrne - Mayo
C o Connor v Cooper - Dublin
Cluxton v Clarke - Dublin
Free taking - Dublin have the edge from long range and 45's
All very even there so the key will be if McMenamin/Connoly/C O Connor can get any few scores which might well make the difference
Dublin normally over run teams with their bench in the last 10-20 mins and Mayo normally leave their subs until it's too late as they hang on to a lead with tiring players. If you compare the benches their isn't much between them, it's how they are used that normally gives Dublin the edge
Bastick v parsons - Mayo (I would start parsons)
Mannion v Dillon - Dublin
O Gara v c o Shea - even
Fitzimons v Barrett - even
c Costello v b Moran - Mayo
P Andrews v c loftus - Dublin
While they won't be marking each other it's how the tiring player will deal with them that really counts. Dublin normally have all subs on with 15 to go and Mayo normally only have one on with 15 to go.
There is nothing between them really, it's on the sideline where it will be won. Rochford is really stepping up in class against Gavin so Dublin are favourites. But if Rochford can adjust mid game he will succeed where all his predecessors as Mayo manager have failed.
Free count will also be a huge factor. Dublin kicked 12 from play v Kerry with 10 wides. It was the free taking that won the game. Mayos discipline has to be spot on to win the day" is this a joke..............???
Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 06/09/2016 14:28:36
1910734
Link
0
|