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Is Fitzmaurice getting an easy ride from pundits and the media? Kerry were in a very strong position twice and didnt seal the deal. Went overly defensive at start of second half and handed the initiative back to the Dubs. An other score or 2 at that point for Kerry and it may have been a different story. I wonder if a Mayo team had blown a 3 point lead going into the closing stages I doubt very much Brolly or spillane would be saying that we died with our boots on in a game for the ages. The same old lines rolled out about being bottlers, lacking mental strength etc. unclegerry (Mayo) - Posts: 1222 - 01/09/2016 09:40:59 1908958 Link 0 |
He only signed up for a one year extension and convinced a number of senior players to stick with it for one last push jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 01/09/2016 10:19:37 1908980 Link 1 |
If I were a Kerry supporter I'd want jack o Conor back purely cause he's managed the last 3 minor teams that have so much talent Jack knows these lads inside out. Imo Gilroy would of held us back in '13 if he didn't go , Jim knew all the underage talent coming through and wasn't afraid to use them I'm not so sure Gilroy would of done the same. clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 01/09/2016 10:47:31 1908999 Link 0 |
if Jack O'Connor wants job he'll get but he will prob hang on with 21s for next year. Gael85 (Dublin) - Posts: 1433 - 01/09/2016 10:53:15 1909006 Link 0 |
Kerry under Eamonn Fitzmaurice. waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 01/09/2016 10:54:29 1909007 Link 0 |
Sorry I meant minor n 21 teams Jack has managed. clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 01/09/2016 10:59:37 1909015 Link 0 |
To be honest I'm undecided. In the aftermath of Sunday I thought he should definitely stay, he got so much right and it seemed that with a bit of more luck we could/should have beaten Dublin. TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 01/09/2016 11:05:33 1909019 Link 0 |
He made only one bad decision -- but it was a crucial one-- and that was taking off Geaney (unless he had an injury of course). The call that needed to be made was to take off the Gooch...despite playing ok, he made mistakes throughout the game that he would never have made 4 or 5 years ago. For instance, the miss he had in the first five or ten minutes -- he would have put that over with his eyes closed when at his peak. And Fitzmaurice knew that, because he winced when he missed it. Towards the end of the 2nd half, when he kicked a weak shot into Cluxton's arms when a point was there for the taking, closed the case on it and he should have been taken off immediately after that crucial mistake. Fitzmaurice is a good manager and is tactically ahead of most intercounty managers but those mistakes he made -- taking off Geaney and leaving the Gooch on the field -- are big ones from a Kerry point of view. If he was managing any other county in Ireland I'm sure he would be retained but considering the managerial talent available to Kerry. I would not be at all surprised if he came under pressure to step down. PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1902 - 01/09/2016 11:49:08 1909058 Link 0 |
I'd agree with most of that although it will ultimately be Fitzmaurice's own decision. He shouldn't be under pressure to step aside and if he wanted to stay on I wouldn't kick up any fuss. Yet there has always been a suspicion down here that he was too loyal to the older guard. He was ruthless when he first took over but in the last year or two he seems to have gambled on the elder statesmen getting us out of trouble rather than trusting in the younger lads. That was evident both last September and on Sunday. But then again can you blame him given the caliber of players that we are talking about, Gooch etc. I really don't know. There's a job to be done integrating the younger lads into the panel and I know the younger players in the set up adore Fitzmaurice. He's a great fella, really decent and thinks a lot about the game. It would be a shame if he ended and was known as the Kerry manager who lost to Dublin. Sport's cruel I suppose. TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 01/09/2016 12:18:31 1909077 Link 0 |
I hope he stays, westkerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1250 - 01/09/2016 12:18:38 1909078 Link 0 |
Is Liam Kearns thought of as a future Kerry manager by Kerry supporters? GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7337 - 01/09/2016 12:49:53 1909092 Link 0 |
Tbh I don't think he's done a bad job at all, considering that Kerry were ageing when he arrived. But this is Kerry we're talking about, they demand the ultimate success and you get your P45 if you don't deliver consistently. Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 01/09/2016 12:57:18 1909099 Link 0 |
I hope he stays. He is a very very good manager. Expectations were very low when he took over and excluding last years final, he has kept us competitive, and even won an AI in 2014. He has done exceptionally well to be fair. It will be his own choice ultimately. GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 01/09/2016 13:54:15 1909129 Link 0 |
Unfortunately, I think such decisions are all made with 20/20 hindsight. If O'Sé coming on had shored up the defence and Kerry had nicked it, then he's a genius. If Gooch had been taken off and then Kerry were awarded a free near the 21 yard line, Hogan Stand side, people would be screaming that EF had taken off his best left footed free taker. I certainly think he's earned the right to bow out on his own terms, whether its this year or further down the road. I think Kerry could do a lot worse than keep him on. Kurt_Angle (Dublin) - Posts: 567 - 01/09/2016 14:09:10 1909135 Link 0 |
Jack's committed to the U-21's for 2017, I would put money on the Kerry U-21's winning the All-Ireland next year. So he would be out of the running. TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 01/09/2016 14:12:51 1909136 Link 0 |
Question for you Hermit or any other Kerry person . Would you's like to see Jack back in the hot seat of Kerry football . I don't need reminding of his superb CV and his brilliant underage record of late however I got the feeling from a lot of Kerry people that he had ran his course with senior football . I remember Galvin saying Kerry didn't know waft was going on in 2012 and I felt it was a dig at JOC. Now I could be miles off the mark here as I know his pedigree is excellent . Just wondering what's your thoughts on that ? Looking from the outside . I'd say keep EF . Unlike Rory Gallagher , a least he tries different things in a match . TheRightStuff (Donegal) - Posts: 1688 - 01/09/2016 14:50:28 1909153 Link 0 |
It's a funny one about Jack and his reputation in Kerry. You can't fault his record and he's proven to be one of the greatest managers of the modern era but for some reason a lot of people in Kerry GAA just don't like him. I guess there is an arrogance or something there that rubs people up the wrong way. I'd like to see him back at some stage and I think that is his aim but he wants to bring this new generation through from minor to senior so it could be 2-3 years off yet. TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 01/09/2016 15:32:34 1909182 Link 0 |
That's one of the best records any manager has against Dublin in the last 5 years.......I think he should stay and I think he will. I can also see the Gooch staying about and maybe O'Sullivan to give the experience. O'Mahony and O'Se will call it quits and Sheehan and Donaghy are probably 50/50. There's a wealth of underage talent in the Kingdom and they are well placed to have a lot more senior success in the not too distant future
Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 01/09/2016 15:40:07 1909191 Link 0 |
Looks like Kerry people are looking at this as a 2 option thing - cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5010 - 01/09/2016 15:44:59 1909196 Link 0 |
I feel the main problem with Eamonn Fitz was his loyalty to the old guard, just like Rory Gallagher in Donegal. Kerry have had the last 2 minor winning All-Ireland teams and as far as I am aware not one of those players has got any time on the senior team. He probably felt this was going to be his last year and didn't want to start integrating young players. However Kerry could have done with some younger legs against Dublin. Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts: 1873 - 01/09/2016 15:49:56 1909198 Link 0 |