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The 3 things Mayo need to get over the line on the 18th. They will need to hit the dubs for at least 2 goals while also keeping them out at the other end. Mayo wont match them score for score. Mayo will need lady luck to finally smile in our direction. I think were due, especially for 96. The best dubs team ever, one of the greatest teams of all time. Great athletes great players and the best game seen for years. We need all the backslappin to continue and havw i seep into that dressin room. unclegerry (Mayo) - Posts: 1222 - 31/08/2016 20:24:37 1908848 Link
Even with points one and two didn't do Kerry much good. Not sure it will help Mayo witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 31/08/2016 21:26:25 1908865 Link
Replying To unclegerry: "The 3 things Mayo need to get over the line on the 18th. They will need to hit the dubs for at least 2 goals while also keeping them out at the other end. Mayo wont match them score for score. Mayo will need lady luck to finally smile in our direction. I think were due, especially for 96. The best dubs team ever, one of the greatest teams of all time. Great athletes great players and the best game seen for years. We need all the backslappin to continue and havw i seep into that dressin room." A bit early for backslapping, wait until you lift Sam. Make or break year for a lot of the Mayo players, as some of them might call it a day after the final, win or lose. I think it could be their year! thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1739 - 31/08/2016 22:16:28 1908892 Link
I wouldn't insult this Mayo team by suggesting that the Dubs have to be complacent for Mayo to win. If Mayo can get back to the level they played at at in last year's semi final they could well beat Dublin. MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13707 - 31/08/2016 22:43:35 1908902 Link
Despite the assumptions of many, Rochford and McEntee have no intention of us bowing down to the Dubs on the 18th. They won't be expecting Dublin complacency or luck, rather that we make our own luck. A few goals would be great but we'll be prepared for Plans A, B and beyond. Forget about how both teams got here, we'll give them something to worry about and may the best team win on the day. GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7342 - 31/08/2016 22:52:09 1908904 Link
Mayo need one thing to beat mayo ... More scores ... simple. waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 31/08/2016 23:11:59 1908908 Link
Replying To witnof: "Even with points one and two didn't do Kerry much good. Not sure it will help Mayo" The other semi is history, but looking at it as an exemplum for Mayo in the final, it seems advisable that they should: 1) push up on kickouts and test Cluxton's nerve under the high ball 2) find a better way of getting up the field than Kerry managed (ie too slow, too ponderous and too predictable) 3) strike the right balance between niggling Dublin and giving away kickable frees (ie Dublin do have a lazy habit of waltzing into tackles near the 45 to secure soft frees) 4) think long and hard about set places, varying the point of attack and when/how to use subs (ie Dublin 's finishing was better at the end against Kerry and they still had the legs for more) 5) practise kicking long range points under pressure AND make sure you have two out there who can take frees So, give it a lash. Dublin are as good as any Dublin team of old, and better than any since the Kerry and Tyrone teams of the noughties... BUT... they aren't invincible. Even if they were to get an early goal against ye, I wouldn't lose hope. They lose focus far too easily if you put them under pressure. Kerry managed to do that; if they had hammered them a bit more during those periods of ascendancy then they'd have weathered the fight back better. It also bears repeating that, once again, Kerry's finishing near the end wasn't as good nor were their legs as willing. Mayo should note that, and do what they can to do even better. And the result? 1) Dublin, by more than a few in a one-sided contest(most likely if Mayo don't get their heads right) 2) Dublin, by a tiny margin (fairly likely given that Dublin have the experience to finish out close games, even when the opponents are on fire) 3) Mayo, by a waifer thin margin (slight though this may be, Mayo needs must assume it will happen- and heaven knows they must be due a bit of luck some time) plike (Kerry) - Posts: 569 - 01/09/2016 07:38:41 1908931 Link
Replying To waynoI: "Mayo need one thing to beat mayo ... More scores ... simple." That's deep dude, right on! Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 01/09/2016 08:40:55 1908936 Link
Replying To waynoI: "Mayo need one thing to beat mayo ... More scores ... simple." And Dublin to drop out and allow Mayo to replace them making it a Mayo v Mayo final.. ;) cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5012 - 01/09/2016 09:03:03 1908941 Link
Replying To waynoI: "Mayo need one thing to beat mayo ... More scores ... simple." beat Dublin even... waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 01/09/2016 09:23:45 1908949 Link
Plike the solution to Dublin's kick out is not pushing up, but mixing it up. Pushing up 100% of the time is physically and mentally hard. Eventually Dublin also will just go long and they win alot of ball around midfield. Ciaran Whelan's analysis of Sunday was perfect As to the long ball working against Dublin fullback line...it doesn't, they gang up and crowd around the ball to ensure the long ball is not effective. If Mayo bog in ball it will play right into Dublin's hands. Philly, Johnny and Davy love battling for that muck ball. Were we miss ROC is that he was very much Cluxton's protector, never strayed from home and not an easy man to get around. But realistically it is 1 in 100 balls that drop just on the crossbar like Sunday, so not something you can put into the game plan. Running hard with quick short passes to a man running of the shoulder is the way to open up our defense. Lucky it is easier said that done. witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 01/09/2016 09:55:56 1908968 Link
Complacent Dublin is a theory but a false one. Dublin are much too cute, good and experienced to take Mayo for granted and Mayo know this. I love all the "push up on the kickout's" fan club. You can't push up on every kick out and Mayo will need to have something else up their sleeve to beat Dublin which I suspect we have. yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11229 - 01/09/2016 13:44:15 1909126 Link
Replying To witnof: "Even with points one and two didn't do Kerry much good. Not sure it will help Mayo" And have a good tally scored from play always our achillies heel in finals! Spoddgy (Mayo) - Posts: 660 - 04/09/2016 00:15:39 1909798 Link
Replying To unclegerry: "The 3 things Mayo need to get over the line on the 18th. They will need to hit the dubs for at least 2 goals while also keeping them out at the other end. Mayo wont match them score for score. Mayo will need lady luck to finally smile in our direction. I think were due, especially for 96. The best dubs team ever, one of the greatest teams of all time. Great athletes great players and the best game seen for years. We need all the backslappin to continue and havw i seep into that dressin room." Great game plan there. Pity you aren't the manager. It would be some team talk: score more than they do lads and hopefully they will be complacent. I hope we are bringing a bit more than than that tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1105 - 04/09/2016 08:11:52 1909810 Link
We managed to hold the dubs to 12 points from play in this years semifinal and we held them to 4 points from play in last years allireland final so that'll show ye that it's the handy frees that the dubs conjure that helps win the games for them. I mentioned it before we played them that they live off the handy frees and they have it down to a fine art at this stage which you have to admire. Mayo are the best tacklers in the game so they shouldn't be giving away too many handy scores to dean rock. KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 04/09/2016 10:46:54 1909843 Link
Replying To KingdomBoy1: "We managed to hold the dubs to 12 points from play in this years semifinal and we held them to 4 points from play in last years allireland final so that'll show ye that it's the handy frees that the dubs conjure that helps win the games for them. I mentioned it before we played them that they live off the handy frees and they have it down to a fine art at this stage which you have to admire. Mayo are the best tacklers in the game so they shouldn't be giving away too many handy scores to dean rock." I would have said the opposite is true. Mayo can, at times, be undisciplined in the tackle. It's more a case of over eager rather than ability. They have a month to work on it, so that will stand to them. They will need to have their tackling spot on, or Dean will run amok on the scoreboard. Mind you, ditto for the Dubs.COC is not exactly a slouch in the dead ball department..... Jaden (Dublin) - Posts: 139 - 04/09/2016 11:08:33 1909846 Link