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I've been off this site for some time but today's display has prompted me to post again considering how strongly I feel these guys deserve all the plaudits they get and more. SLLY (Dublin) - Posts: 463 - 28/08/2016 22:04:28 1907194 Link 3 |
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Certainly a very very good game. The best this year by far. But not up there with the best games of recent times IMO as there were a lot of mistakes and many unforced. cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5010 - 28/08/2016 23:09:51 1907222 Link 0 |
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Nowhere near Kerry team of the 70s and 80s HEREBENJI (Donegal) - Posts: 421 - 28/08/2016 23:24:51 1907229 Link 0 |
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We made it interesting by handing Kerry "6" points.. Ahem.. We def handed them 3 anyway!! The other 3 is 50/50 but Kerry got that big call But sure yeah "The ref robbed them" jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 28/08/2016 23:29:54 1907230 Link 0 |
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Yes it's very satisfying to beat Kerry in a game like that when they played really well and were as hungry as they've ever been. And to do it without McCaffrey and ROC is amazing. McCarthy only back and was quite reserved, that's a huge game under his belt now for the final. There's no doubting that this is a great team. realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8585 - 28/08/2016 23:40:22 1907233 Link 1 |
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Jimbo, chances are there to be taken . Kerry's kick outs were very poor in the first half . Dublin's were poor late on in the first half . The decisions late in the second half went Dublin's way, most especially the "tackle" on Peter Crowley.
Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 29/08/2016 02:25:23 1907261 Link 0 |
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I think that's widely accepted - this is the worst Kerry side since the mid 90s and they still should have got a draw. We can't ignore that., but the OP was referring to the game itself rather than the teams.
cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5010 - 29/08/2016 08:17:30 1907283 Link 0 |
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:)))
Jackeen (Dublin) - Posts: 4097 - 29/08/2016 08:56:52 1907296 Link 0 |
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70s-80s? There was some very poor teams and opposition to Kerry around during those very over-rated years. Just look at some of the old games on TG4 - some of the skill levels and fitness standards were awful. Remember the troubles in North were dominating life and Ulster was distracted with life and death matters. Nostalgia can play serious tricks with people's memories. The standards are way higher now days in both skill and fitness and this Dublin team are the most professional and best total footballing team I've ever seen and I think many fair minded people would agree that Dublin have risen the bar to a whole new level to anything we've seen before. JamesH (Mayo) - Posts: 465 - 30/08/2016 19:30:53 1908325 Link 1 |
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Christ, no opportunity whatsoever to have a dig at Kerry is wasted is it? I think comparing teams from different decades is fairly futile. The game is so much more professional now, and yes, Dublin have risen the bar in those terms. The standard of opposition isn't great this decade either though is it? Kerry have a fraction of the resources they once had, Donegal were woeful in the quarters and Mayo have been poor lately as well. If you're going to use lack of opposition to knock the great Kerry teams why is that logic ignored for Dublin? GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 30/08/2016 20:05:38 1908339 Link 1 |
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I have been at most of the matches the great Kerry team and this great Dubkin team have played in Croke Park . Comparing fitness levels is unfair . Bring that great Kerry team up to the levels of today's teams and provide them with the same resources as today's teams and what would you have ? Man for man from one to fifteen the great Kerry team is the best I have ever seen but I would rank this Dublin team as the next best I have seen . They are outstanding .
Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 30/08/2016 23:31:11 1908453 Link 1 |
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I'm not going to put the boot into past Kerry teams because they have been great and at times the greatest of particular eras.In saying that,you would have to be deluded to think that if this Dublin team were to play that team, that there would be anything other than a serious beating for "that" Kerry team.The Kerry team of today is better than that Kerry team as were the better Kerry sides of the noughties.All this nostalgia about past teams is nonsense.This Dubs team is one of the best ever and that is a fact.If they manage to do it again this year then they will certainly be without doubt one of the greatest teams in gaelic football history.
seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 31/08/2016 06:20:09 1908478 Link 2 |
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and what about the 'tackle' made on Philly MacMahon?????
avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1974 - 31/08/2016 10:20:36 1908544 Link 0 |
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What utter tripe! Teams of yore didn't have the money, the time or the knowledge (about fitness, diet and tactics) as they do now. So, to assume that Mick O'Connell would have his backside handed to him on a plate by David Moran is to assume far too much. Another example would be Matt Connor, who was, imho, the best of the best. Is anyone in their right mind suggesting that he wouldn't get a start with the current crop of 'titans'?.... Pfff...The logic of a child, if you will. In athletics Nuhrmi and Zatopek would give anyone now a run for their money, if the same time and money was lavished on them as is the case with modern show ponies. And this isn't to talk about their being clean and the current crop being anything but. plike (Kerry) - Posts: 569 - 31/08/2016 10:39:17 1908554 Link 1 |
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I'd have to echo that. . In most sport today we see world records broken regularly due to advanced training techniques, diet, etc (let's assume drugs aren't playing a part for the purposes of this argument). But there are some records which stand the test of time - Mike Powell's long jump record being one. The Cuban's high jump being another. Sometimes, there's just that much talent there that they stand out in any era. Connor and O'Connell are probably the 2 most prevalent examples in Gaelic Football, Ring and Keher in Hurling. I honestly believe you could go back as far as Heffernan and some others and state with a fair degree of confidence that they had enough talent, brains, skill, dedication, etc to adapt to any era if given the same opportunities as the current crop of intercounty players. cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5010 - 31/08/2016 10:55:33 1908565 Link 1 |
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Don't think it was the best ever or even one if the best,the first 30 mins were forgettable,alot of mistakes made. 40-45 mins of end to end very good football,great to see FOOTBALL being played,not a cross between football & rugby. stonemadbeany (USA) - Posts: 540 - 31/08/2016 13:23:40 1908661 Link 0 |
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The physical gap between elite long/high jumpers in the 90s and those of today is much smaller than the gap between GAA athletes of the 70s and today. Carl Lewis, Mike Powell etc were operating at the cutting edge of physical preparation, whereas Jack O'Shea etc weren't. They were superbly fit, but they weren't training, eating and rehabing in remotely the same way that players do now. Had Spillane, Egan, Sheehy etc been living & playing nowadays, they would still have been superstars. But put the current Dublin side in a time machine and take them back to play those guys as they were in the 70s, and the 2016 Dubs would beat them by 30 points. Thomas Clarke (Tyrone) - Posts: 1002 - 31/08/2016 16:00:04 1908755 Link 0 |
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This is a great Dublin side and definitely the best team of this decade. If this Dublin team could win 3-in-row then we could start to talk about them being one of the greatest teams of all time. However it is really difficult to compare the teams nowadays with the past teams as there has been so much advancement in training and tactics. Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts: 1873 - 31/08/2016 16:15:42 1908759 Link 1 |
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Oh I agree. I have DVDs of the Cavan team of the 40s and I reckon just about any junior A club side in Ireland at the moment if sent back through a time machine would beat them. It's always difficult when comparing eras and I think there's certain criteria that should be ignored. But you can't ignore the skills, bravery, speed-of-thought, reading of the game, drive to win, etc. that Jack, Spillane, Egan, Sheehy, Paidi, etc had. It's unfair to directly compare them to any of the current top teams for that reason. cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5010 - 31/08/2016 16:16:54 1908760 Link 0 |
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At best a useless exercise you just can't compare one era with another I remember when Roger Bannister ran the first sub4min mile in the 1950s Inwas then watching Mayo Meath Cavan and Louth dominate in Football and Cork and Tipp in hurling the great players of that day were great players different skills brought us in our thousands by bike on foot and by CIE to watch them In every way they were the superstars and no doubt if they had the training know how of today they would match the so called unbeatables Every age will have its heroes I fear we will lose the ethos as professionalism is creeping in so the elite will be concentrated in four or five counties All playing catch up on Dublin and Kerry Kilkenny and Kilkenny?!?who will always generate the most money 37sowhat (Sligo) - Posts: 752 - 31/08/2016 16:41:14 1908772 Link 0 |