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First things first, Dublin are the team of the decade, the best team in the country. One of the best team ever to come out of Dublin. However there seems to be a general consensus that Dublin will win Sam this year. I think if you examine the facts, theres a strong possibility they wont. Reasons why
1 It is the hardest thing to do in Irish sport, put two All Irelands back to back. Only Kerry have done it in the last twenty years and only Kerry, Meath, Cork have done it in the last thirty years. The hunger is not there after winning an All Ireland.
2 Dublin have only won 1 double in 70 years. (1976-1977). They are not Kilkenny and Kerry who put double, treble, four All Irelands back to back for the last 90 years.
3 Kerry have a great tradition of underdogs against the Dubs when Dublin have been red hot favourites. It happened in 1955, 1975, 1977, 1984 and 2009. On all occassions Dublin were red hot favorites and Kerry were rank outsiders and Kerry defeated Dublin.
4 Yes Mayo are a mental basket case when it comes to All Ireland finals. They have such a poor record in finals. But this Mayo team is the most experienced team ever to play in a final eg 5 Connachts and 2 All Ireland final appearances. It could be Mayos year.
5 Dublin don't look as hungry this year, they are missing half their defence.
6 Dublin are trying to do something that is near impossible, outside Kerry something that has been never done before by wining 4 All Irelands . Only Kerry and the Wexford team of 1914 - 1918 have achieved this.
I dont think this Dublin will win another All Ireland , I believe they peaked in the League final. I cannot see Dublin winning another All Irealnd in this decade. Of course they will be super strong as always, winning Leinsters, being in the top teams in the country and reaching All Ireland finals. But they will be weaker as this decade progresses. There is no conveyor belt of talent coming through. Kildare are dominating minor level, while Meath look like they will very strong at this level with good minor teams coming through in the next few years . Its all going change very soon.
Tonny1975 (Mayo) - Posts: 114 - 23/08/2016 18:40:02
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Jesus , I'll get the popcorn for this one. Mayo v Dublin post begins already.
GameOfTyrones (Tyrone) - Posts: 469 - 24/08/2016 02:21:32
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The most intetesting thing about that OP is the poster's name. Tonny, genuine question, is your real name Tony or perhaps Tommy or does Tonny refer to something else? As regards the post itself, keep convincing yourself and it may actually happen. The bookies would probably disagree though.
Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 24/08/2016 09:07:43
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Dublin don't look as hungry this year, they are missing half their defence.
Yeah they only went out and put everything in to winning every trophy going... so far. But yeah, you're right. Not hungry at all.
CroiGorm (Dublin) - Posts: 1547 - 24/08/2016 09:31:40
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Replying To Joxer: "The most intetesting thing about that OP is the poster's name. Tonny, genuine question, is your real name Tony or perhaps Tommy or does Tonny refer to something else? As regards the post itself, keep convincing yourself and it may actually happen. The bookies would probably disagree though." Maybe he's a fan of obscure Norwegian cinema from the 1960s.....
MedwayIrish (Wexford) - Posts: 2324 - 24/08/2016 09:33:43
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Replying To Tonny1975: "First things first, Dublin are the team of the decade, the best team in the country. One of the best team ever to come out of Dublin. However there seems to be a general consensus that Dublin will win Sam this year. I think if you examine the facts, theres a strong possibility they wont. Reasons why
1 It is the hardest thing to do in Irish sport, put two All Irelands back to back. Only Kerry have done it in the last twenty years and only Kerry, Meath, Cork have done it in the last thirty years. The hunger is not there after winning an All Ireland.
2 Dublin have only won 1 double in 70 years. (1976-1977). They are not Kilkenny and Kerry who put double, treble, four All Irelands back to back for the last 90 years.
3 Kerry have a great tradition of underdogs against the Dubs when Dublin have been red hot favourites. It happened in 1955, 1975, 1977, 1984 and 2009. On all occassions Dublin were red hot favorites and Kerry were rank outsiders and Kerry defeated Dublin.
4 Yes Mayo are a mental basket case when it comes to All Ireland finals. They have such a poor record in finals. But this Mayo team is the most experienced team ever to play in a final eg 5 Connachts and 2 All Ireland final appearances. It could be Mayos year.
5 Dublin don't look as hungry this year, they are missing half their defence.
6 Dublin are trying to do something that is near impossible, outside Kerry something that has been never done before by wining 4 All Irelands . Only Kerry and the Wexford team of 1914 - 1918 have achieved this.
I dont think this Dublin will win another All Ireland , I believe they peaked in the League final. I cannot see Dublin winning another All Irealnd in this decade. Of course they will be super strong as always, winning Leinsters, being in the top teams in the country and reaching All Ireland finals. But they will be weaker as this decade progresses. There is no conveyor belt of talent coming through. Kildare are dominating minor level, while Meath look like they will very strong at this level with good minor teams coming through in the next few years . Its all going change very soon." Do you have to post this on every thread? Jeeeeez you're as bad as legend/hermit.....oh....wait! ;)
Jackeen (Dublin) - Posts: 4097 - 24/08/2016 09:39:09
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So what the OP really means is he hopes Dublin dont win. Half the points are just showing how great this Dublin team will be if (when?) they achieve it. You mention missing half the defence- I never rated roc (controversial I know but just my opinion) and John Small is a great young player so overall I dont feel they are weaker at all. You also mention the conveyor belt. Dublin have players who cant get starting on their team who would be stars on the Donegal team (mannion and costello to name just 2). Just because they arent winning minor now doesnt mean anything. They won some minor and u21 All Irelands in previous years and these players are only coming in now.
Being realistic Dublin are definite favourites for the All Ireland. They will have to perform to Beat both Kerry and Mayo but I believe they will. If the don't I would be shocked.
As in any sport no team are unbeatable but I think this current Dub team are as close as you get.
I do think Mayo posters should leave the cutehoorism to Kerry as your not good enough at it.
dstuction (Donegal) - Posts: 1209 - 24/08/2016 09:43:25
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Why would a mayo poster (if he even is one) start a thread like this.....I have visions already of this thread coming back to life on Sept 19th if Dublin beat Mayo again in the final...sigh.
yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11227 - 24/08/2016 09:50:09
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Replying To yew_tree: "Why would a mayo poster (if he even is one) start a thread like this.....I have visions already of this thread coming back to life on Sept 19th if Dublin beat Mayo again in the final...sigh." Highly doubt hes from Mayo YT
Jackeen (Dublin) - Posts: 4097 - 24/08/2016 10:02:44
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He's entitled to his opinion, only time will tell.
clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 24/08/2016 10:04:22
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Replying To yew_tree: "Why would a mayo poster (if he even is one) start a thread like this.....I have visions already of this thread coming back to life on Sept 19th if Dublin beat Mayo again in the final...sigh." Dont worry yew, he aint fooling anybody. We all know who it really is, and where he is really from.
We aint that Dumb!
Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 24/08/2016 10:37:49
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Fair enough !
Sure time will tell.
You put a lot of work into that. Well done.
Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 24/08/2016 11:09:54
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Replying To Joxer: "The most intetesting thing about that OP is the poster's name. Tonny, genuine question, is your real name Tony or perhaps Tommy or does Tonny refer to something else? As regards the post itself, keep convincing yourself and it may actually happen. The bookies would probably disagree though." abit like tyrone been the favourites against mayo, bookies do get it wrong
maigheoabu2016 (Mayo) - Posts: 17 - 24/08/2016 11:47:31
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Having 2-3 good minors coming through is much more important than actually winning titles .
Hunger - there's that word again . Can someone explain what it means to me. It's like if Dublin don't win the AI then it's down to ' hunger '.
If ' hunger' was the be all and end all then Mayo would have won a few AI's in the past 20 years .
Kilkenny would not have any more hurling titles as they wouldn't have ' hunger '
Hunger is a nonsense term used in GAA. If your good enough your good enough .
Time will tell . I fancy Dublin but they may not do it . If they don't it , it won't be a lack of hunger .
Yes Mayo have a burning itch to get over the line but they will only do it if they are good enough .
TheRightStuff (Donegal) - Posts: 1688 - 24/08/2016 12:19:37
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Replying To MedwayIrish: "Maybe he's a fan of obscure Norwegian cinema from the 1960s....." Ha I actually googled that name, who spells tony tonny unless OP misspelt it or he's Norwegian film fan.
GameOfTyrones (Tyrone) - Posts: 469 - 24/08/2016 13:16:16
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When Tyrone were still in I have to say I was hoping Dublin wouldn't look well on the way to the final but I have to say they were really impressive against Donegal and they also looked like they had another gear.
Ciaran Kilkenny gave one of THE great performances I've seen in Croke Park, absolutely peerless link play and vision.
To me Dublin have much to much talent and on top of that momentum and a winning mentality, it'll take a major slip or a performance for the ages to knock them off at this point
Seansy48 (Tyrone) - Posts: 237 - 24/08/2016 14:56:45
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Replying To Tonny1975: "First things first, Dublin are the team of the decade, the best team in the country. One of the best team ever to come out of Dublin. However there seems to be a general consensus that Dublin will win Sam this year. I think if you examine the facts, theres a strong possibility they wont. Reasons why
1 It is the hardest thing to do in Irish sport, put two All Irelands back to back. Only Kerry have done it in the last twenty years and only Kerry, Meath, Cork have done it in the last thirty years. The hunger is not there after winning an All Ireland.
2 Dublin have only won 1 double in 70 years. (1976-1977). They are not Kilkenny and Kerry who put double, treble, four All Irelands back to back for the last 90 years.
3 Kerry have a great tradition of underdogs against the Dubs when Dublin have been red hot favourites. It happened in 1955, 1975, 1977, 1984 and 2009. On all occassions Dublin were red hot favorites and Kerry were rank outsiders and Kerry defeated Dublin.
4 Yes Mayo are a mental basket case when it comes to All Ireland finals. They have such a poor record in finals. But this Mayo team is the most experienced team ever to play in a final eg 5 Connachts and 2 All Ireland final appearances. It could be Mayos year.
5 Dublin don't look as hungry this year, they are missing half their defence.
6 Dublin are trying to do something that is near impossible, outside Kerry something that has been never done before by wining 4 All Irelands . Only Kerry and the Wexford team of 1914 - 1918 have achieved this.
I dont think this Dublin will win another All Ireland , I believe they peaked in the League final. I cannot see Dublin winning another All Irealnd in this decade. Of course they will be super strong as always, winning Leinsters, being in the top teams in the country and reaching All Ireland finals. But they will be weaker as this decade progresses. There is no conveyor belt of talent coming through. Kildare are dominating minor level, while Meath look like they will very strong at this level with good minor teams coming through in the next few years . Its all going change very soon." Uneasy lies the head that wears a crown, Sunday will tell a lot.
TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 24/08/2016 15:43:57
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These threads are really just stupid.
Dublin will not win the All Ireland.
That statement implies Dublin has zero chance of winning. Just ridiculous.
There are similar posts on here saying Mayo will not win, nobody will beat Dublin, Kerry got no chance, blah blah blah.
Loads of people so confident in their predictions and talking absolute sh1te.
At the end of the day there are 3 teams left in it. Dublin are rightly favourites in my opinion. Either of Kerry are capable of beating them on their day. Roughly a 1 in 3 chance of that happening if you go by the bookies. I don't have a strong reason to disagree with that.
Phew, glad I got that off my chest
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4210 - 24/08/2016 16:39:21
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Replying To yew_tree: "Why would a mayo poster (if he even is one) start a thread like this.....I have visions already of this thread coming back to life on Sept 19th if Dublin beat Mayo again in the final...sigh." I also have visions of this thread coming back to life in a situation where Dublin lose to Mayo. Tonny is shaping up to be an unbearable 'told you so'.
Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 24/08/2016 17:43:37
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Replying To Whammo86: "These threads are really just stupid.
Dublin will not win the All Ireland.
That statement implies Dublin has zero chance of winning. Just ridiculous.
There are similar posts on here saying Mayo will not win, nobody will beat Dublin, Kerry got no chance, blah blah blah.
Loads of people so confident in their predictions and talking absolute sh1te.
At the end of the day there are 3 teams left in it. Dublin are rightly favourites in my opinion. Either of Kerry are capable of beating them on their day. Roughly a 1 in 3 chance of that happening if you go by the bookies. I don't have a strong reason to disagree with that.
Phew, glad I got that off my chest" Agreed Whammo but you're pissing in the wind if you think it's going to change. My view would be (at a guess) the standard one i.e Dublin are fairly strong favourites but that's not to say Kerry can't upset them, that wouldn't really surprise me and if they did they'll beat Mayo in the final. I wouldn't say Mayo have no chance but until they actually win Sam (in most of our lifetimes) I won't actually believe they can. They're the Jimmy White of the GAA after all and before any Mayo man or woman takes offence at that, none intended, I like to see an underdog have its day.
MedwayIrish (Wexford) - Posts: 2324 - 24/08/2016 17:59:57
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