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In all honesty Dublin this year should be on for their 4 in a row , apart from the hiccup against Donegal they really haven't put a foot wrong since.
28 games unbeaten run is immense.
This game between Dublin and Kerry is a lot more than an all Ireland semi final , but more a battle of the Titans.
Nobody since Kerry have done 2 in a row, and Kerry have a lot to prove or 4 losses in a row could soon become 6, then new players in the team don't even remember beating Dublin.
I predict the Dubs to win in emphatic style in the end after getting over whatever Kerry have up their sleeve in the first half.
Then unfortunately it will be the same old bridesmaids story for Mayo and if its a big loss setting them back 5 years.
Very depressing if your not a Dub but the truth unfortunately.
Too much in the armory.
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Replying To club51: "In all honesty Dublin this year should be on for their 4 in a row , apart from the hiccup against Donegal they really haven't put a foot wrong since.
28 games unbeaten run is immense.
This game between Dublin and Kerry is a lot more than an all Ireland semi final , but more a battle of the Titans.
Nobody since Kerry have done 2 in a row, and Kerry have a lot to prove or 4 losses in a row could soon become 6, then new players in the team don't even remember beating Dublin.
I predict the Dubs to win in emphatic style in the end after getting over whatever Kerry have up their sleeve in the first half.
Then unfortunately it will be the same old bridesmaids story for Mayo and if its a big loss setting them back 5 years.
Very depressing if your not a Dub but the truth unfortunately.
Too much in the armory." Seriously, if you're going to do a "yerra" post, it requires some subtlety and a degree of backhanded compliment.
This is just too blatant to work and whatever hope there was of it succeeding coming from a neutral, it just doesn't work from someone who's team is still involved in the championship - especially the only team currently in the final.
The effort was decent but the execution could do with a little work.
Kurt_Angle (Dublin) - Posts: 567 - 23/08/2016 17:09:11
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Replying To club51: "In all honesty Dublin this year should be on for their 4 in a row , apart from the hiccup against Donegal they really haven't put a foot wrong since.
28 games unbeaten run is immense.
This game between Dublin and Kerry is a lot more than an all Ireland semi final , but more a battle of the Titans.
Nobody since Kerry have done 2 in a row, and Kerry have a lot to prove or 4 losses in a row could soon become 6, then new players in the team don't even remember beating Dublin.
I predict the Dubs to win in emphatic style in the end after getting over whatever Kerry have up their sleeve in the first half.
Then unfortunately it will be the same old bridesmaids story for Mayo and if its a big loss setting them back 5 years.
Very depressing if your not a Dub but the truth unfortunately.
Too much in the armory." Hope so.
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jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 23/08/2016 17:31:51
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Replying To club51: "In all honesty Dublin this year should be on for their 4 in a row , apart from the hiccup against Donegal they really haven't put a foot wrong since.
28 games unbeaten run is immense.
This game between Dublin and Kerry is a lot more than an all Ireland semi final , but more a battle of the Titans.
Nobody since Kerry have done 2 in a row, and Kerry have a lot to prove or 4 losses in a row could soon become 6, then new players in the team don't even remember beating Dublin.
I predict the Dubs to win in emphatic style in the end after getting over whatever Kerry have up their sleeve in the first half.
Then unfortunately it will be the same old bridesmaids story for Mayo and if its a big loss setting them back 5 years.
Very depressing if your not a Dub but the truth unfortunately.
Too much in the armory." It'll be another Mayo v Kerry final.Unfortunate for ye I know as ye would have a better chance against us.
Enjoy the few weeks lead up anyway .
Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 23/08/2016 17:49:36
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As Avonali said, serious outbreak of yerra virus here.
CroiGorm (Dublin) - Posts: 1547 - 23/08/2016 17:59:25
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First things first, Dublin are the team of the decade, the best team in the country. One of the best team ever to come out of Dublin. However There seems to be a general consensus that Dublin will win Sam this year. I think if you examine the facts, theres a strong possibility they wouldnt. Reasons why
1 It is the hardest thing to do in Irish sport , put two All Irelands back to back. Only Kerry have done it in the last twenty years and only Kerry, Meath, Cork have done it in the last thirty years. The hunger is not there after winning an All Ireland.
2 Dublin have only won 1 double in 70 years. (1976-1977). They are not Kilkenny and Kerry who put double, treble, four All Irelands back to back for the last 90 years.
3 Kerry have a great tradition of underdogs V the Dubs and Dublin been red hot favourites. It happened in 1955, 1975, 1977, 1984 and 2009. All occasssion Dublin were red hot favorites and Kerry were rank outsiders and Kerry defeated Dublin.
4 Yes Mayo are a mental basket case when it comes to All Ireland finals. They have such a poor record in finals. But this Mayo team is the most experienced team ever to play in a final eg 5 connachts and 2 All Ireland final appearances. It could be Mayos year.
5 Dublin dont look as hungry this year, there missing half their defence all other reasons why Sam wouldnt be in the capital this year.
6 Dublin are trying to do something that is near impossible, outside Kerry something that has been never done before by wining 4 All Irelands . Only Kerry and the Wexford team of 1914 - 1918 have achieved this.
I dont think this Dublin will win another All Ireland , I believe they peaked in the League final. I cannot see Dublin winning another All Irealnd in this decade. Of course they will be super strong as always, winning Leinsters being in the top teams in the country and reaching All Ireland final. But they will be weaker as this decade progresses. There is no conveyor belt of talent coming through. Kildare are dominating minor level, while Meath look like they will very strong at this level with good minor teams coming through in the next few years . Its all going change very soon.
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Replying To Tonny1975: "First things first, Dublin are the team of the decade, the best team in the country. One of the best team ever to come out of Dublin. However There seems to be a general consensus that Dublin will win Sam this year. I think if you examine the facts, theres a strong possibility they wouldnt. Reasons why
1 It is the hardest thing to do in Irish sport , put two All Irelands back to back. Only Kerry have done it in the last twenty years and only Kerry, Meath, Cork have done it in the last thirty years. The hunger is not there after winning an All Ireland.
2 Dublin have only won 1 double in 70 years. (1976-1977). They are not Kilkenny and Kerry who put double, treble, four All Irelands back to back for the last 90 years.
3 Kerry have a great tradition of underdogs V the Dubs and Dublin been red hot favourites. It happened in 1955, 1975, 1977, 1984 and 2009. All occasssion Dublin were red hot favorites and Kerry were rank outsiders and Kerry defeated Dublin.
4 Yes Mayo are a mental basket case when it comes to All Ireland finals. They have such a poor record in finals. But this Mayo team is the most experienced team ever to play in a final eg 5 connachts and 2 All Ireland final appearances. It could be Mayos year.
5 Dublin dont look as hungry this year, there missing half their defence all other reasons why Sam wouldnt be in the capital this year.
6 Dublin are trying to do something that is near impossible, outside Kerry something that has been never done before by wining 4 All Irelands . Only Kerry and the Wexford team of 1914 - 1918 have achieved this.
I dont think this Dublin will win another All Ireland , I believe they peaked in the League final. I cannot see Dublin winning another All Irealnd in this decade. Of course they will be super strong as always, winning Leinsters being in the top teams in the country and reaching All Ireland final. But they will be weaker as this decade progresses. There is no conveyor belt of talent coming through. Kildare are dominating minor level, while Meath look like they will very strong at this level with good minor teams coming through in the next few years . Its all going change very soon." I should have 1978 not 1977 a year Kerry defeated Dublin
Tonny1975 (Mayo) - Posts: 114 - 23/08/2016 19:53:37
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Dublin are in decline according to some analysts despite having super players like Ciaran Kilkenny. If he is kept in check expect the Kingdom to prevail by a point maybe.
maroondiesel (Mayo) - Posts: 1196 - 23/08/2016 20:15:49
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Yes we are in decline unfortunately. However much like Kerry & Mayo...we also have one big game in us! And just like Kerry have been preparing all summer for us....we have been preparing all summer for them.
Jackeen (Dublin) - Posts: 4097 - 23/08/2016 20:30:24
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Replying To Jackeen: "Yes we are in decline unfortunately. However much like Kerry & Mayo...we also have one big game in us! And just like Kerry have been preparing all summer for us....we have been preparing all summer for them." I don't believe Dublin are in decline at all. This time last year after a disappointing performance against Fermanagh people were writing Dublin off.
I think Dublin are actually better than they were this time last year. That 10 minute spell towards the end of our quarter final with Donegal were perhaps the best 10 minutes of football that this Dublin team have produced since laste years All-Ireland final. Down 2 men they actually outscored Donegal. The3y didn't react emotionally and panic. rather they respondedThe game showed how mentally strong this team have become. The ghosts of 2014 were bowing around that day. There was an eerily familiar pattern to the game : 2 early misses then Donegal immediately punished sloppy play with a goal. But this Dublin team didn't panic. They pushed on and won well.
This is a key point about Dublin. Yes, they are fast, pwerful and skillful but they are mentally very strong. They went behind in their semi-final in 2011, in the 2013 semifinal and in the 2015 semi-final replay but each time they rallied and won out convincingly. So I believe they have the edge over Kerry and Mayo in that respect.
Defensively they are tighter. This time last year Dubliners were worried about teams running at the heart of Dublin's defence. We conceded to soft goals against Fermanagh. THat is no longer the case. This Dublin team is defensively coherent. John Small may lask the pace of Jack McCaffrey but he is arguably a better defender and he is no slouch either. RO'C is irreplaceable but Davy Byrne is a very very tight man marker and has done very well this year.
We have the strongest bench in the country. Who else can bring ob subs of the quality of Andrews, Kevin Mac, Paul Mannion to name a few.
Dublin's managment team is very shrewd. They have learnt so much from our rare losses and worked hard to make our weakness our strength
If Dublin has a weakness it's their discipline. I expect the Kerry game to be tight but I have a feeling that Dublin won't finish with 15 men. If we lose a key player early in this match that will be disastrous. Hopefully Jim Gavin is going to address this.
I believe Dublin will on Sunday and go on to beat Mayo in September.
avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1974 - 23/08/2016 21:05:55
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Replying To avonali: "I don't believe Dublin are in decline at all. This time last year after a disappointing performance against Fermanagh people were writing Dublin off.
I think Dublin are actually better than they were this time last year. That 10 minute spell towards the end of our quarter final with Donegal were perhaps the best 10 minutes of football that this Dublin team have produced since laste years All-Ireland final. Down 2 men they actually outscored Donegal. The3y didn't react emotionally and panic. rather they respondedThe game showed how mentally strong this team have become. The ghosts of 2014 were bowing around that day. There was an eerily familiar pattern to the game : 2 early misses then Donegal immediately punished sloppy play with a goal. But this Dublin team didn't panic. They pushed on and won well.
This is a key point about Dublin. Yes, they are fast, pwerful and skillful but they are mentally very strong. They went behind in their semi-final in 2011, in the 2013 semifinal and in the 2015 semi-final replay but each time they rallied and won out convincingly. So I believe they have the edge over Kerry and Mayo in that respect.
Defensively they are tighter. This time last year Dubliners were worried about teams running at the heart of Dublin's defence. We conceded to soft goals against Fermanagh. THat is no longer the case. This Dublin team is defensively coherent. John Small may lask the pace of Jack McCaffrey but he is arguably a better defender and he is no slouch either. RO'C is irreplaceable but Davy Byrne is a very very tight man marker and has done very well this year.
We have the strongest bench in the country. Who else can bring ob subs of the quality of Andrews, Kevin Mac, Paul Mannion to name a few.
Dublin's managment team is very shrewd. They have learnt so much from our rare losses and worked hard to make our weakness our strength
If Dublin has a weakness it's their discipline. I expect the Kerry game to be tight but I have a feeling that Dublin won't finish with 15 men. If we lose a key player early in this match that will be disastrous. Hopefully Jim Gavin is going to address this.
I believe Dublin will on Sunday and go on to beat Mayo in September." I don't believe they will win the All Ireland this year. If they do , then they deserve the title the greatest Dublin team ever and one of the altl ime great teams. But that will be that. Cluxton, Brogan will retire, many on the team have a lot of mileage nad many of the team is hitting the 30 age mark. There`s new upcoming teams emerging on the scene snapping at their heals. And theres no great conveyor belt of talent. Players like Cluxton, Brogan, Flynn, KilKenny, Mcarthy are once in a lifetime type of players. Theres no gurantee there another Cluxton waiting in the wings. He is the greatest goalkeeper of all Time. And one of the most influential to play gaelic football in the last 50 years. Only Kerry and KilKenny have shown they can produce decade after decade, great All Ireland winning teams. Anyway Kerry should win on sunday, if not I`d expect Mayo to finish them off. We are coming to a end of great GAA era for the Dubs. They have been great champions a credit to their county and the game and have created a new interest in GAA in Dublin. But like all great teams of the last 50 years eg Kerry, Galway, Meath, Down, Tyrone.Its high noon for Dublin.
Tonny1975 (Mayo) - Posts: 114 - 23/08/2016 21:29:14
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Replying To Tonny1975: " Replying To avonali: "I don't believe Dublin are in decline at all. This time last year after a disappointing performance against Fermanagh people were writing Dublin off.
I think Dublin are actually better than they were this time last year. That 10 minute spell towards the end of our quarter final with Donegal were perhaps the best 10 minutes of football that this Dublin team have produced since laste years All-Ireland final. Down 2 men they actually outscored Donegal. The3y didn't react emotionally and panic. rather they respondedThe game showed how mentally strong this team have become. The ghosts of 2014 were bowing around that day. There was an eerily familiar pattern to the game : 2 early misses then Donegal immediately punished sloppy play with a goal. But this Dublin team didn't panic. They pushed on and won well.
This is a key point about Dublin. Yes, they are fast, pwerful and skillful but they are mentally very strong. They went behind in their semi-final in 2011, in the 2013 semifinal and in the 2015 semi-final replay but each time they rallied and won out convincingly. So I believe they have the edge over Kerry and Mayo in that respect.
Defensively they are tighter. This time last year Dubliners were worried about teams running at the heart of Dublin's defence. We conceded to soft goals against Fermanagh. THat is no longer the case. This Dublin team is defensively coherent. John Small may lask the pace of Jack McCaffrey but he is arguably a better defender and he is no slouch either. RO'C is irreplaceable but Davy Byrne is a very very tight man marker and has done very well this year.
We have the strongest bench in the country. Who else can bring ob subs of the quality of Andrews, Kevin Mac, Paul Mannion to name a few.
Dublin's managment team is very shrewd. They have learnt so much from our rare losses and worked hard to make our weakness our strength
If Dublin has a weakness it's their discipline. I expect the Kerry game to be tight but I have a feeling that Dublin won't finish with 15 men. If we lose a key player early in this match that will be disastrous. Hopefully Jim Gavin is going to address this.
I believe Dublin will on Sunday and go on to beat Mayo in September." I don't believe they will win the All Ireland this year. If they do , then they deserve the title the greatest Dublin team ever and one of the altl ime great teams. But that will be that. Cluxton, Brogan will retire, many on the team have a lot of mileage nad many of the team is hitting the 30 age mark. There`s new upcoming teams emerging on the scene snapping at their heals. And theres no great conveyor belt of talent. Players like Cluxton, Brogan, Flynn, KilKenny, Mcarthy are once in a lifetime type of players. Theres no gurantee there another Cluxton waiting in the wings. He is the greatest goalkeeper of all Time. And one of the most influential to play gaelic football in the last 50 years. Only Kerry and KilKenny have shown they can produce decade after decade, great All Ireland winning teams. Anyway Kerry should win on sunday, if not I`d expect Mayo to finish them off. We are coming to a end of great GAA era for the Dubs. They have been great champions a credit to their county and the game and have created a new interest in GAA in Dublin. But like all great teams of the last 50 years eg Kerry, Galway, Meath, Down, Tyrone.Its high noon for Dublin."
avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1974 - 23/08/2016 22:41:44
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Yes there is good footballers coming through, Dublin always have good footballers. Since 1970s, Dublin have good footballers. What I'm talking about is all time greats like Cluxton, Brogan, Flynn etc. These are some of the greatest players ever to play for Dublin. Dublin are always in the top teams in the country, winning leinsters, playing in All Irelands finals, that will continue. But in terms of being the top team in the country, turning into a Kilkenny , Dublin will not be as dominant as they are now. They had some great underage teams at the start of this decade , but that is starting to come to a halt. The last two U21 Dublin leinster winning teams were poor outside the provience. While Kildare are dominating minor level recently. After year of Dublin wiping the floor with Meath U15,U16,U17 level which translated in Dublin dominating Meath at minor and u21 level in the last 10 year. Meath are now wiping the floor with Dublin at U15,U16,U17 and U18 level. I think this should lead to successful Meath underage teams if they manage it properly.
Tonny1975 (Mayo) - Posts: 114 - 23/08/2016 23:12:32
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The fact IS no team other then Kerry or Wexford 191 4 -1918 have won 4 All Irelands. So to think that Dublin are going to win another 3, 4 All Irelands its not credible. As this decade continues Dublin will be strong but not as strong as they are now. I wouldn't surprised they don't win another Sam in this decade. If we look has what has happened in the last 100 years of Gaelic football with many great teams and eras, 5-6 years in the max then team declines, Dublin are now at end of their cycle, not the beginning, there is no gurantee that theres Cluxton , Brogan, etc waiting in the wings. Dublin are not Kerry are Kilkenny, they are Dublin always a top county , one of the hardest teams to beat in gaelic football. But this is just a golden era , and like all eras it will end.
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Yes Basquels, Cormac Costello, O'Conghaile, Gavin Burke all good young footballers waiting in the wings, but there not great yet, Costello will he become as great as Brogan, theres no gurantee. Take Flynn , flynn pound for pound is the best out and out modern wing forward I have ever seen. He has it all . Do Dublin have another Paul Flynn, as good as Flynn. I doubt it.
Tonny1975 (Mayo) - Posts: 114 - 23/08/2016 23:18:31
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Dublin in decline. Are you guys kidding me.
There are another 3 or 4 All-Irelands left in this team, then maybe you can start talking about decline.
Kildare and Meath are definitely still 4 or 5 years away from having a team that could be called great and that's if they can keep the underage guys that are coming through interested. Another 3 or 4 years of Dublin dominance in Leinster could very much put at end to those guys enthusiasm.
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Replying To Tonny1975: "Yes Basquels, Cormac Costello, O'Conghaile, Gavin Burke all good young footballers waiting in the wings, but there not great yet, Costello will he become as great as Brogan, theres no gurantee. Take Flynn , flynn pound for pound is the best out and out modern wing forward I have ever seen. He has it all . Do Dublin have another Paul Flynn, as good as Flynn. I doubt it." As long as Dublin has hugely strong clubs like my own Ballymun Kickhams, St. Vincent's, Na Fianna, Kilmacud - Name a club?!! I'm not worried.
All totally committed to under age football. Nurturing and minding. Hoping and also in the back of the mind knowing there is going to be another great Dub on 'my' Under 10's.
I started playing for Ballymun Gaels/Kickhams in 1968. The club always had an enormous emphasis on under age.
Throughout the '60s and '70s we had great success in all grades. Huge rivalries. Parochial. Incredible hard work by the unsung few paved the way for Ballymun to win the Dublin Senior Football Championship in 1982 having lost to Vincent's in '81. Since then Dublin Club Football has grown leaps and bounds. The ongoing committment to under age football and hurling throughout Dublin is the reason we will continue to produce great players in both codes. Generations!!! John Mc Carthy (Na Fianna/ Ballymun Kickhams) 3 All Irelands. Son, James 3 All Irelands. Barney Rock 1 AllIreland. Son, Dean 2. Brogans? Figure it out.
Dublin aren"t going away anytime soon.
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Have you convinced yourself yet Tonny1975?
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Replying To Tonny1975: "Yes Basquels, Cormac Costello, O'Conghaile, Gavin Burke all good young footballers waiting in the wings, but there not great yet, Costello will he become as great as Brogan, theres no gurantee. Take Flynn , flynn pound for pound is the best out and out modern wing forward I have ever seen. He has it all . Do Dublin have another Paul Flynn, as good as Flynn. I doubt it." Your wummery is subtle enough to make me think you're serious so i will give you the benefit of the doubt here. You are suggesting that only Dublin will suffer when top players retire. Does that not apply to Kerry or Mayo? Do Kerry have another Cooper? Do Mayo have another Moran? Doubtful. However who is to say somebody of equal talent or more won't be unearthed?
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So Tonny, getting your crystal ball out again, are Tipp going to be the new blue juggernaut? Will Wexford manage to return to the glory days of the WW1 years? Will Dustin ever have another crack at Eurovision?
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