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http://www.balls.ie/gaa/tipperary-footballers-row/342355
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gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 10/08/2016 18:14:32
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No I don't agree.
If the current systems are to work you can't have players not playing club 2 weeks before a county championship game.
People may spin this as a it wouldn't happen to the hurlers argument. I don't think that holds up either. The hurlers are playing Galway the week before the footballers play Mayo. The county board hasn't stopped fixtures for them.
If the county footballers want to save themselves for the semi-final that's their prerogative but their clubs should be playing without them.
The competitions were regional championships also rather than All-county they can be played without county players if needs be.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4213 - 10/08/2016 19:21:54
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http://www.balls.ie/gaa/tipperary-footballers-row/342355
Disgraceful from the tipp county board here.
gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts:3373 - 10/08/2016 18:14:32What exactly is disgraceful about it?
No I don't agree.
If the current systems are to work you can't have players not playing club 2 weeks before a county championship game.
People may spin this as a it wouldn't happen to the hurlers argument. I don't think that holds up either. The hurlers are playing Galway the week before the footballers play Mayo. The county board hasn't stopped fixtures for them.
If the county footballers want to save themselves for the semi-final that's their prerogative but their clubs should be playing without them.
The competitions were regional championships also rather than All-county they can be played without county players if needs be.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts:741 - 10/08/2016 19:21:54 The games were in divisional championships but the divisional championships are part of the county and success in divisional championship affects what level you enter county at.
I think the county boards were right. Its several weeks to the tipp footballers next game and the club games should have went ahead and if throwing clubs out of championship this year means there is less incidents like this in the future and club players get managed better in terms of game time in summer then all the better
ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 10/08/2016 19:53:05
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Replying To ormondbannerman: "http://www.balls.ie/gaa/tipperary-footballers-row/342355
Disgraceful from the tipp county board here.
gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts:3373 - 10/08/2016 18:14:32What exactly is disgraceful about it?
No I don't agree.
If the current systems are to work you can't have players not playing club 2 weeks before a county championship game.
People may spin this as a it wouldn't happen to the hurlers argument. I don't think that holds up either. The hurlers are playing Galway the week before the footballers play Mayo. The county board hasn't stopped fixtures for them.
If the county footballers want to save themselves for the semi-final that's their prerogative but their clubs should be playing without them.
The competitions were regional championships also rather than All-county they can be played without county players if needs be.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts:741 - 10/08/2016 19:21:54 The games were in divisional championships but the divisional championships are part of the county and success in divisional championship affects what level you enter county at.
I think the county boards were right. Its several weeks to the tipp footballers next game and the club games should have went ahead and if throwing clubs out of championship this year means there is less incidents like this in the future and club players get managed better in terms of game time in summer then all the better" Out of interest how does the hurling championship work in Tipperary?
Do you like the system? Could it be adapted and used as a template for inter county football?
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4213 - 10/08/2016 20:08:44
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The problem in Tipp is that we have a sprawling mess of a county championship due to the sheer number of clubs, the geographical size of the county and the historical importance of the divisional championships (a la the provincial championships). Add in to that two senior teams and a minor team in the All Ireland semis and it starts to get really tricky.
roundball (Tipperary) - Posts: 2514 - 10/08/2016 20:21:16
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These divisional games are a mess a hindrance to the county championship.
My own club were to play Shannon Rovers for whom George Hannigan plays for in North Intermediate semi final. We are now effectively in a final without playing a divisional game. Regardless to say we should win it as we won the last couple. Thus meaning were in the county knock out round. On Saturday the game was due to take place at 7pm and we only found out late in the afternoon it was off. Bit unfair to our lads who had made themselves available for the game.
West and North boards taking a pretty dim view of this and South will likely follow.
Success of a dual county taking its toll!!
WildPundit (Tipperary) - Posts: 1709 - 10/08/2016 22:45:15
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Replying To Whammo86: " Replying To ormondbannerman: "http://www.balls.ie/gaa/tipperary-footballers-row/342355
Disgraceful from the tipp county board here.
gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts:3373 - 10/08/2016 18:14:32What exactly is disgraceful about it?
No I don't agree.
If the current systems are to work you can't have players not playing club 2 weeks before a county championship game.
People may spin this as a it wouldn't happen to the hurlers argument. I don't think that holds up either. The hurlers are playing Galway the week before the footballers play Mayo. The county board hasn't stopped fixtures for them.
If the county footballers want to save themselves for the semi-final that's their prerogative but their clubs should be playing without them.
The competitions were regional championships also rather than All-county they can be played without county players if needs be.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts:741 - 10/08/2016 19:21:54 The games were in divisional championships but the divisional championships are part of the county and success in divisional championship affects what level you enter county at.
I think the county boards were right. Its several weeks to the tipp footballers next game and the club games should have went ahead and if throwing clubs out of championship this year means there is less incidents like this in the future and club players get managed better in terms of game time in summer then all the better" Out of interest how does the hurling championship work in Tipperary? Do you like the system? Could it be adapted and used as a template for inter county football?"
It was impossible to follow a couple of years ago and nobody seemed to know what was going on including club players. We now have two championships, a county championship by group stage and four divisional championships. So you can qualify for the last 16 (I think) by either route. So say you finish top two in your county championship group and qualify for your divisional final you will go through as a divisional finalist and a different team who hasn't qualified via their divisional championship will take a last 16 place via their county championship group performance.
I could be wrong about some of the above so I need Ormondebanner or another Tipp poster in the know to correct me on this.
So by all means use our senior hurling championship structure to push through reform but it may not be the best or easiest format to follow.
Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 11/08/2016 05:08:14
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Replying To gotmilk: "http://www.balls.ie/gaa/tipperary-footballers-row/342355
Disgraceful from the tipp county board here." The story thats in the media is very one sided.
The board were dead right in my opinion.
Joe_Bloggs (Tipperary) - Posts: 186 - 11/08/2016 08:59:17
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Perhaps I am being ignorant but when was the last hurling championship game played in tipp? Or when is it due to be played?
gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 11/08/2016 09:50:54
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Board 100% right
You'd have to question the county players mentality for deciding not to play . A little too precious for me and completely disrespectful towards their clubs .
Finsceal (None) - Posts: 559 - 11/08/2016 11:04:25
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Replying To gotmilk: "Perhaps I am being ignorant but when was the last hurling championship game played in tipp? Or when is it due to be played?" There was North senior hurling championship played on 29/07/16. Brendan Maher, Niall O'Meara, Michael Breen and possibly one or two more would have been playing.
Joe_Bloggs (Tipperary) - Posts: 186 - 11/08/2016 11:22:37
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Just out of interest the west board had their intermediate semis fixed for 20.08 the day before Tipp play Mayo. I heard that they were going to push ahead regardless.
Tipperary championship is a total joke I'd say we probably have 4 or 5 relegation games still not played from last couple of years due to appeals etc.
Too many Senior clubs and too many proud clubs willing to drop from Senior to Intermediate and then from intermediate to junior.
WildPundit (Tipperary) - Posts: 1709 - 11/08/2016 11:59:26
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Replying To Whammo86: "No I don't agree.
If the current systems are to work you can't have players not playing club 2 weeks before a county championship game.
People may spin this as a it wouldn't happen to the hurlers argument. I don't think that holds up either. The hurlers are playing Galway the week before the footballers play Mayo. The county board hasn't stopped fixtures for them.
If the county footballers want to save themselves for the semi-final that's their prerogative but their clubs should be playing without them.
The competitions were regional championships also rather than All-county they can be played without county players if needs be." agree with this..
ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 11/08/2016 12:06:42
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If I knew how the Tipp hurling championship worked I'd know the meaning of life with it.
It was impossible to follow a couple of years ago and nobody seemed to know what was going on including club players. We now have two championships, a county championship by group stage and four divisional championships. So you can qualify for the last 16 (I think) by either route. So say you finish top two in your county championship group and qualify for your divisional final you will go through as a divisional finalist and a different team who hasn't qualified via their divisional championship will take a last 16 place via their county championship group performance.
I could be wrong about some of the above so I need Ormond or another Tipp poster in the know to correct me on this.
So by all means use our senior hurling championship structure to push through reform but it may not be the best or easiest format to follow.
Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts:1334 - 11/08/2016 05:08:14 There is the 4 divisional championships.
South have few clubs and play a round robin. Mid championship is knockout. North is straight knock out. West only has 3 teams so they've group stage.
The county championship is split into Rionn 1 and Rionn 2. Rionn 1 and winners of rionn 2 groups(I think) have a shot at winning county title. If you make it into rionn 1 you cant get relegated. Rionn 1 has 4 groups of 4 giving 3 games each. Rionn 2 has 2 groups of 4 and 2 groups of 3.
Perhaps I am being ignorant but when was the last hurling championship game played in tipp? Or when is it due to be played?
gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts:3377 - 11/08/2016 09:50:54Middle/end of July for some. Later for others
Tipperary championship is a total joke I'd say we probably have 4 or 5 relegation games still not played from last couple of years due to appeals etc.
Too many Senior clubs and too many proud clubs willing to drop from Senior to Intermediate and then from intermediate to junior.
WildPundit (Tipperary) - Posts:1205 - 11/08/2016 11:59:26 Yeah. Senior needs to drop to at max 20 clubs and then have a much stronger intermediate championship and get some intermediate clubs to drop to junior and make that stronger again.
Like 8 of North Tipps clubs have won the intermediate county in the past 12/13 years to go senior and now most clubs in north tipp are senior and intermediate grade has gone to shit in the division when hurling would be much better if most of these teams went back intermediate and made that championship stronger and we possibly added a 1/2 divisional senior sides to the county championship
ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 11/08/2016 12:30:31
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The media have put a bad spin on this. I have regularly criticised the county board but they are 100% right in this case. WE had a huge club fixture problem a few years ago where we couldn't get club cships finished in time for the Munster cship so they are correct to take this stand.
It would actually be double standards if they didnt.. in the opposite sense to what the media are reporting regarding the hurlers.
tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 11/08/2016 13:06:27
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In fairness if they aren't giving the hurlers special treatment then I won't complain and i'll admit I was wrong. I'm just going from the info i've read in the media.
gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 11/08/2016 13:38:04
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Clubs have to accept they need to play without their county players at times or else do what I suggested in another thread and start the season in April and play 3 or 4 months of a league with matches every week and then from August onwards play championship which should take no more than 6 or 7 weeks to complete.
This should be the set up across all counties that have club fixture problems.
If countboards doid this you wouldn't ahve club fixture issues which obviously seriously annoy club players.
uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts: 1296 - 11/08/2016 13:41:34
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Strangely enough someone I know is on the county board and they told me last night they disagree with clubs being expelled but it's up to the divisional boards in these cazes.
West is more affected with 4 clubs , North and South 1 each.
Not too sure yet if Moyle Rovers were thrown out. Given the south is a football hot bed I think they might be more lenient.
WildPundit (Tipperary) - Posts: 1709 - 11/08/2016 14:29:26
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Replying To tiobraid: "The media have put a bad spin on this. I have regularly criticised the county board but they are 100% right in this case. WE had a huge club fixture problem a few years ago where we couldn't get club cships finished in time for the Munster cship so they are correct to take this stand.
It would actually be double standards if they didnt.. in the opposite sense to what the media are reporting regarding the hurlers." They prioritised the hurling championship over the football one too which was a disgrace. Everything was held up by the hurlers replay with Kilkenny. Our footballers were knocked out in July and the county title handed out to Loughmore on St Stephen's day.
We had no representative in the 2014 Munster club football championship. Fast forward a year and Clonmel are champions.
I think the footballers are fed up of being treated like second class citizens and making the most of their opportunity next week and Mayo. They are not interested in playing in an intermediate club hurling match that could jeopardise their chances.
Hurling management is happy for Steven O'Brien to be scratching his ass instead of excelling with the footballers. Kennedy would be a household name in football circles this year too if he was still playing with them.
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Replying To Killarney.87: "They prioritised the hurling championship over the football one too which was a disgrace. Everything was held up by the hurlers replay with Kilkenny. Our footballers were knocked out in July and the county title handed out to Loughmore on St Stephen's day.
We had no representative in the 2014 Munster club football championship. Fast forward a year and Clonmel are champions.
I think the footballers are fed up of being treated like second class citizens and making the most of their opportunity next week and Mayo. They are not interested in playing in an intermediate club hurling match that could jeopardise their chances.
Hurling management is happy for Steven O'Brien to be scratching his ass instead of excelling with the footballers. Kennedy would be a household name in football circles this year too if he was still playing with them." Well said my friend the hurling replay in 2014 was 3 weeks away and everything was postponed while we scratched our ass idle then cudnt finish our championships on time.
I remember back in 2001 the entire North Intermediate Championship was played over Christmas to the new year. Think I played a game every second day and the county final was a draw with the replay the following day as it was a draw. Replay even went to extra time!!those were the days!!
WildPundit (Tipperary) - Posts: 1709 - 12/08/2016 16:24:54
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