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Lose 2 games and still win sam???

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Wouldn't be my cup of tea. Still waiting till August for big games and a team could lose twice and still end up with sam doesn't rest well.

boomerang (Mayo) - Posts: 49 - 04/08/2016 13:29:57    1895447

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i think you could possibly lose three games and still win it (one provincial and 2 qfinal group games) unlikely though . waterford won 2013 minors having lost 2 games

janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 04/08/2016 13:35:17    1895452

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The Ulster preliminary draw has become even more poisonous for teams involved, 10 games to win Sam. Tyrone 2005 all over again

222 (UK) - Posts: 692 - 04/08/2016 13:36:23    1895455

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Positives: GAA are considering change and are listening to the people.
Negatives: Boring outdated predictable provincial series remain.
Unbalanced route to quarter finals, Kerry will still only have to win 2 games.
Massive gaps between games for the first half of the year.Championship remains relatively boring til August

PoppinPoints (Meath) - Posts: 225 - 04/08/2016 13:46:17    1895466

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Replying To boomerang:  "Wouldn't be my cup of tea. Still waiting till August for big games and a team could lose twice and still end up with sam doesn't rest well."
Why would a set up where teams could lose 2 games and still be the overall winner be a problem? The same can happen in any multiple of competitions across all sports?
Why does teams losing once or twice or even losing three plus times be a bad thing?

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 04/08/2016 13:46:56    1895468

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Replying To janesboro:  "i think you could possibly lose three games and still win it (one provincial and 2 qfinal group games) unlikely though . waterford won 2013 minors having lost 2 games"
But janesboro talking about minor is irrelevant as they have a very different system.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 04/08/2016 13:53:29    1895474

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Also throw into the mix that for the first time ever you would have a situation where teams could be playing Championship games knowing they are already out of the competition. Given some boys have their bags packed for America when they get knocked out of Provincial Championships aside from the obvious lack of enthusiasm for playing a game that means nothing you would be entering into a system where the semi finalists could be determined with the help of one or more teams practically getting a walk over to aid their qualification.

The system needs changed but for me this is not the correct approach.

Naysayer (Antrim) - Posts: 2071 - 04/08/2016 13:58:26    1895484

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bigger problem i see is that 18-20 teams will never get to that last 8 and will have little prospect of getting there

BlastCalyle (Mayo) - Posts: 206 - 04/08/2016 13:59:45    1895487

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Replying To PoppinPoints:  "Positives: GAA are considering change and are listening to the people.
Negatives: Boring outdated predictable provincial series remain.
Unbalanced route to quarter finals, Kerry will still only have to win 2 games.
Massive gaps between games for the first half of the year.Championship remains relatively boring til August"
Why focus on Kerry??

What about Cork, Mayo, Galway etc?? Same chance every year as Kerry has.

At least this new format will give us a few extra games and not waiting around for four weeks and come in flat as a pancake against the dubs.

KY4SAM2015 (Kerry) - Posts: 898 - 04/08/2016 14:06:36    1895505

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Its the most ridiculous thing i've ever heard. If they want a league format then ditch the provincials. Three bites of the cherry for the stronger teams now instead of two. i thought the GAA wanted to bring a bit of balance to the whole thing and encourage the weaker Counties. The real reason behind this is simple.......Money. 8 more games for sky sports to broadcast.

Rayo (Galway) - Posts: 90 - 04/08/2016 14:09:42    1895510

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Replying To janesboro:  "i think you could possibly lose three games and still win it (one provincial and 2 qfinal group games) unlikely though . waterford won 2013 minors having lost 2 games"
not a fan purely cause i think the all ireland series isnt the issue..its early on thats the problem

alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 04/08/2016 14:16:07    1895526

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Its a half baked solution but its a start. Everybody knows they should scrap the provincials entirely.

Why not run them instead of the leagues at the start of the year.
The results of the provincials could determine seedings for the all Ireland draw itself.

TobinsBeard (Meath) - Posts: 125 - 04/08/2016 14:30:38    1895545

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At long last some sense being injected into tired and boring format for All Ireland Senior Football championship losing losing 2 games and winning championship should not be a issue let's move away from antiquated systems and take a look at other Sports would I be right in saying Portugal are European Soccer champions and they only won one game in the final series yet the interest was maintained throughout and most would agree they are worthy champions No matter what system is used invariably the best team will win out but repeats of the Kerry v Clare saga of 2016 would be eliminated y same token that debacle was not Kerry's fault Should the meet Tippersry later on (most unlikely) the result would be similar to Killarney on July 3rd bring on the new format "Lest one good custom should corrupt the world "

37sowhat (Sligo) - Posts: 752 - 04/08/2016 14:47:53    1895565

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Replying To PoppinPoints:  "Positives: GAA are considering change and are listening to the people.
Negatives: Boring outdated predictable provincial series remain.
Unbalanced route to quarter finals, Kerry will still only have to win 2 games.
Massive gaps between games for the first half of the year.Championship remains relatively boring til August"
But sure Kerry would win two games against most opposition Tipperary and Clare would have better chances against lesser opposition as 2016 has proven

37sowhat (Sligo) - Posts: 752 - 04/08/2016 14:50:28    1895569

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As a Kerry fan I'd be very much in favour of this option than the current system.

This season has been very unsatisfying as we have had 3 games in a 19 week period (since the League Final) we've had a few County Championship games in between but it is hard to schedule too many games with the uncertainty of replays, how long Kerry will be in the Championship etc

As long as the All Ireland Final is brought forward by 3/4 weeks to compensate the additional games then I cant see how Kerry hosting Mayo, Tyrone hosting Dublin, Tipperary hosting Donegal in meaningful games when the weather is good is a bad thing. I would scrap League Finals and start championship in Mid April to help facilitate this

People say that Tipp wouldn't have made semi final with this ssytem, I disagree I think 3 top quality games would bring them on even more and they'd be more than good enough to win 2 out of 3. And the 'weaker counties' can't look at Tipperary and say we can't emulate them.

KYTitletown (Kerry) - Posts: 816 - 04/08/2016 14:53:23    1895574

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I think you will end up with dead rubber games in the group stages which are of no benefit to anyone.
County players playing up to 10 games to win an All Ireland is mad in an "amateur sport".
No major advantage in wining a provincial title, in reality about 20 teams the best they can hope for is wining a provincial. How about if a county won their league final (or next placed if winners still in the All Ireland series) be entered back in to a play off against the winners of the back door. Using this year as an example Louth with Cavan, Kildare & Roscommon (as Clare, Tyrone, Kerry, Dublin & Donegal are still in this years competition) would entered back in to play Mayo, Donegal, Tipperary & Clare. it would create an extra round of games and give the weaker counties an incentive in the league and possibly help them develop. Teams like Dublin, Mayo and Kerry done need more games to develop. Tipperary, Clare, Louth, Cavan, Kildare & Roscommon would all bring a decent crowd to a game in Croke Park and the games would be competitive.

anto_meath (Meath) - Posts: 108 - 04/08/2016 14:57:21    1895580

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what do people think of div 3 and 4 teams getting home draws - obviously being from limerick it suits us - give the underdog a bit of a chance - think myself round 4 games should be home or away could get better crowd

janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 04/08/2016 15:26:22    1895609

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Replying To 222:  "The Ulster preliminary draw has become even more poisonous for teams involved, 10 games to win Sam. Tyrone 2005 all over again"
They can implement their own seeding system. Either put up or shut up!

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7840 - 04/08/2016 15:33:35    1895616

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Replying To legendzxix:  "They can implement their own seeding system. Either put up or shut up!"
Its alright for yous kerry boys an easy fixture against a Munster minnow and into the last 12.

222 (UK) - Posts: 692 - 04/08/2016 16:06:52    1895678

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Looks like appeasement to me

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 04/08/2016 16:42:17    1895717

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