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Mayo and Donegal under most pressure?

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After the final of '12 Mayo and Donegal were supposed to be the main All-Ireland challengers. Kerry and Tyrone were off on a few years on the quiet side. The 4 Regions were no better than they were in '05 to '09.

Mayo and Donegal have both made a final since '12 with no smoking cigar. An absolutely dreadful All-Ireland challenge by both North-West counties.

Surely both are under pressure within their counties to deliver. Defeats in their respective provinces surely wasn't expected. Tipperary have shown qualifiers the way to the semi-finals. You'd nearly expect a repeat of the '12 final this year.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7821 - 02/08/2016 21:13:26    1894313

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You're getting fairly desperate now legend running away from all your posts about how you think the 05-09 Dubs were better than the team from 2011 on.

It's kinda sad.

But then again you seem to think that Mark Vaughan was better than Bernard Brogan.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13704 - 02/08/2016 21:29:12    1894325

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Replying To legendzxix:  "After the final of '12 Mayo and Donegal were supposed to be the main All-Ireland challengers. Kerry and Tyrone were off on a few years on the quiet side. The 4 Regions were no better than they were in '05 to '09.

Mayo and Donegal have both made a final since '12 with no smoking cigar. An absolutely dreadful All-Ireland challenge by both North-West counties.

Surely both are under pressure within their counties to deliver. Defeats in their respective provinces surely wasn't expected. Tipperary have shown qualifiers the way to the semi-finals. You'd nearly expect a repeat of the '12 final this year."
Mayo v Dublin Final more than likely. Provided Dublin beat Donegal which wont be that easy.

Rayo (Galway) - Posts: 90 - 02/08/2016 21:45:17    1894334

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Are you intentionally starting up threads about everyone but Dublin, to prove that you're not obsessed/scared about Dublin?

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4207 - 02/08/2016 21:46:55    1894335

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Replying To Whammo86:  "Are you intentionally starting up threads about everyone but Dublin, to prove that you're not obsessed/scared about Dublin?"
That seems to be it in a nutshell!

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13704 - 02/08/2016 22:00:49    1894342

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Replying To Whammo86:  "Are you intentionally starting up threads about everyone but Dublin, to prove that you're not obsessed/scared about Dublin?"
I've no issue with the 4 Regions at all. It's fair to point out that as main challengers go, Mayo and Donegal have been dreadful in the last 3 championship. People want to put up smokescreens rather than talk about it.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7821 - 02/08/2016 22:22:08    1894370

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No pressure at all. Sure we all know you Dublin Kerry lads love nothing more than a wee cosy love in together. The media fawn over your matches. The history and tradition mean all other counties are merely gate crashing the Championship really.

We're happy with the odd All Ireland appearance now and then. The fact that we get to share Croke Park with yez the odd time makes our year sure. :P

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9115 - 02/08/2016 22:29:46    1894377

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I can't answer for Mayo but after we lost the ulster final the pressure is no longer on Donegal. Our main aim this year was to win Ulster. There is very little expectation within the county that we can beat Dublin this weekend so I think the pressure is off.

Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts: 1873 - 02/08/2016 22:43:49    1894395

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Replying To legendzxix:  "After the final of '12 Mayo and Donegal were supposed to be the main All-Ireland challengers. Kerry and Tyrone were off on a few years on the quiet side. The 4 Regions were no better than they were in '05 to '09.

Mayo and Donegal have both made a final since '12 with no smoking cigar. An absolutely dreadful All-Ireland challenge by both North-West counties.

Surely both are under pressure within their counties to deliver. Defeats in their respective provinces surely wasn't expected. Tipperary have shown qualifiers the way to the semi-finals. You'd nearly expect a repeat of the '12 final this year."
Legend this post makes no sense whatsoever.... Who supposedly made up that mayo and Donegal were gonna dominate AI for years to come, it was more of a case of more Kerry cute hoorism if you ask me.....

I can't speak for Mayo but nobody In Donegal excepted us to go on and win all Ireland after all Ireland, we were in a golden era and still are, 6 ulster finals & quarter finals in a row for us proves this, yes I believe this team should,could and deserved to have won two AI, but we came up against a Kerry team that was coming out of their building process in the 2014 final. They seem to have back into it since though..

Let me tell you that this Donegal team owes nobody in this county anything, as they are the best team to have ever left the county and have restored our pride nationally after the abuse we received pre JMG era.... So to suggest they are under the most pressure is ridiculous.....

ben1977 (Donegal) - Posts: 364 - 02/08/2016 22:50:45    1894401

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Replying To legendzxix:  "I've no issue with the 4 Regions at all. It's fair to point out that as main challengers go, Mayo and Donegal have been dreadful in the last 3 championship. People want to put up smokescreens rather than talk about it."
Would it be fair to say that Kerry have maybe overachieved in the past 3 or 4 years for a side of their ability?

In fairness we always hear about All Ireland Challengers Dublin, then Kerry and then maybe Mayo, Donegal, Tyrone or Monaghan. But in reality, does anybody really see Kerry as a team that can genuinely beat Dublin? I certainly don't, and the repeated results against our All Ireland Champions speak for themselves.

2011 Lost narrowly in AI Final to a Dublin side on the rise.
2012 Lost narrowly in AI QF to a Donegal side on the rise.
2013 Lost in a failed shootout in AI SF with Dublin, finally realising they simply didn't have the firepower to rival the Dubs in an attacking game.
2014 Played poorly until knicking a replay with Mayo, and then beat Donegal with a lucky goal from a poor kickout.
2015 Clearly bested by a superior Dublin side in the AI final, with the weather maybe saving them from a bigger hiding.

Does kerry's regular easy path to the All Ireland series every year maybe hide the fact that have too many miles on the clock?

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 02/08/2016 23:01:10    1894406

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Replying To legendzxix:  "After the final of '12 Mayo and Donegal were supposed to be the main All-Ireland challengers. Kerry and Tyrone were off on a few years on the quiet side. The 4 Regions were no better than they were in '05 to '09.

Mayo and Donegal have both made a final since '12 with no smoking cigar. An absolutely dreadful All-Ireland challenge by both North-West counties.

Surely both are under pressure within their counties to deliver. Defeats in their respective provinces surely wasn't expected. Tipperary have shown qualifiers the way to the semi-finals. You'd nearly expect a repeat of the '12 final this year."
Absolutely no pressure on Mayo. The general consensus within the county is that this team are past their peak and are doing well to be in the quarter final. I don't think that there is any pressure on Donegal as they have a medal in their back pocket and they are generally not expected to beat Dublin. There is a certain amount of pressure on Dublin to prove their greatness by winning back to backs. Tyrone likewise are the new kids on the block and there is a certain amount of pressure on them to deliver. Kerry on the other hand are always under pressure as two years without an All Ireland constitutes a famine and losing so often to Dublin is making them grumpy. We have learned to temper our expectations after sixty odd years of failure but we'll be there again in force next Saturday and win, lose or draw the sun will rise again on Sunday. As our own Wiilie the Shoe, god rest him, used to say 'pressure is what they check in tyres'.

Llaw_Gyffes (Mayo) - Posts: 1113 - 02/08/2016 23:24:42    1894414

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Replying To GaryMc82:  "Would it be fair to say that Kerry have maybe overachieved in the past 3 or 4 years for a side of their ability?

In fairness we always hear about All Ireland Challengers Dublin, then Kerry and then maybe Mayo, Donegal, Tyrone or Monaghan. But in reality, does anybody really see Kerry as a team that can genuinely beat Dublin? I certainly don't, and the repeated results against our All Ireland Champions speak for themselves.

2011 Lost narrowly in AI Final to a Dublin side on the rise.
2012 Lost narrowly in AI QF to a Donegal side on the rise.
2013 Lost in a failed shootout in AI SF with Dublin, finally realising they simply didn't have the firepower to rival the Dubs in an attacking game.
2014 Played poorly until knicking a replay with Mayo, and then beat Donegal with a lucky goal from a poor kickout.
2015 Clearly bested by a superior Dublin side in the AI final, with the weather maybe saving them from a bigger hiding.

Does kerry's regular easy path to the All Ireland series every year maybe hide the fact that have too many miles on the clock?"
Ah Garry my old friend still at it I see.

So we played poorly in 2014, funny I thought we had utterly annihilated Cork (who topped Division 1) in the Munster final on our way to win Sam.

Weren't we also winning when Star got his 'lucky' goal? I'm sure you can give me and everyone else on here a step by step account of how Kerry would have lost the match if they had not scored that goal.

A failed shoot out in 2013 too? I seem to recall being level with Dublin in the 69 min only for the game to turn on a goal.

But sure why let the facts get in the way of the fiction eh????

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 02/08/2016 23:32:35    1894420

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Replying To GaryMc82:  "Would it be fair to say that Kerry have maybe overachieved in the past 3 or 4 years for a side of their ability?

In fairness we always hear about All Ireland Challengers Dublin, then Kerry and then maybe Mayo, Donegal, Tyrone or Monaghan. But in reality, does anybody really see Kerry as a team that can genuinely beat Dublin? I certainly don't, and the repeated results against our All Ireland Champions speak for themselves.

2011 Lost narrowly in AI Final to a Dublin side on the rise.
2012 Lost narrowly in AI QF to a Donegal side on the rise.
2013 Lost in a failed shootout in AI SF with Dublin, finally realising they simply didn't have the firepower to rival the Dubs in an attacking game.
2014 Played poorly until knicking a replay with Mayo, and then beat Donegal with a lucky goal from a poor kickout.
2015 Clearly bested by a superior Dublin side in the AI final, with the weather maybe saving them from a bigger hiding.

Does kerry's regular easy path to the All Ireland series every year maybe hide the fact that have too many miles on the clock?"
Absolute obsession with a team having a few years on the quiet side having neglected their youth. Why haven't Mayo and Donegal delivered as All-Ireland challengers?

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7821 - 03/08/2016 00:09:55    1894430

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Replying To Llaw_Gyffes:  "Absolutely no pressure on Mayo. The general consensus within the county is that this team are past their peak and are doing well to be in the quarter final. I don't think that there is any pressure on Donegal as they have a medal in their back pocket and they are generally not expected to beat Dublin. There is a certain amount of pressure on Dublin to prove their greatness by winning back to backs. Tyrone likewise are the new kids on the block and there is a certain amount of pressure on them to deliver. Kerry on the other hand are always under pressure as two years without an All Ireland constitutes a famine and losing so often to Dublin is making them grumpy. We have learned to temper our expectations after sixty odd years of failure but we'll be there again in force next Saturday and win, lose or draw the sun will rise again on Sunday. As our own Wiilie the Shoe, god rest him, used to say 'pressure is what they check in tyres'."
I find that hard to believe.. Mayo more than any other bar possibly Dublin have the most pressure on them to deliver . They have been to finals in 89,96,97,04,06,12,13 and semi finals 14 and 15 . Only the Galway hurling team can possibly compare to that amount of disappointment at A.I level, having lost I think six since 88. When competing at that level for so long without winning Sam it puts pressure on the next team to perform.Yes Mayo there may be small talk around the county/country that the team is past its peak but it's not the case. Mayo have won an A.I minor in 2013 and an U-21 just this year. If anything I would think people in the county would be expecting even more from the county given the recent success of both senior and underage teams. For a team like Mayo nothing will be seen as a good year until they actually finish the job.

Take the Dubs for example , three u-21s in the since 2010 ,three senior titles since 2011. They have probably more pressure on their shoulders than any county because results have been favourable in recent years and much is expected of them. In Tyrone we had much more pressure in the 00's .These days not so much , a little more expected than last year as we managed a semi and an U-21s of recent.

GameOfTyrones (Tyrone) - Posts: 469 - 03/08/2016 01:29:27    1894439

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Legendz and Hermit.....

Good job! Classic wind up! Coming in under the radar. Kerry are now untraceable!

We all think Kerry are no threat. Yerra Yerra

JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 03/08/2016 01:56:14    1894442

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Replying To legendzxix:  "I've no issue with the 4 Regions at all. It's fair to point out that as main challengers go, Mayo and Donegal have been dreadful in the last 3 championship. People want to put up smokescreens rather than talk about it."
Silly comment

2013 Donegal blitzed by Mayo in qf. Not great from Donegal, but they'd a tonne of injuries and maybe were a little off hunger wise having just won Sam.
Mayo were beaten by 1 point in the AI final to Dublin.

2014 Mayo lost a semi-final to Kerry after a replay.
Donegal blitzed the unbeatable Dubs in the semi-final. Lost in a tight final to Kerry.

2015 Donegal again defeated handily by Mayo. It was a tough draw throughout the championship for Donegal. Played 3 tough games in Ulster to reach the final. Played Galway a week before the Mayo game, just didn't have enough left to give in their 6th game against division 1 or 2 opposition.
Mayo once again lost a semifinal to the eventual champs after a replay. In both games Dublins strength in depth stood to them as they finished their games strongly.

To say these counties didn't put up strong challenges in 3 years is just wrong. Mayo in particular were there or thereabouts all 3 years.

Only 1 team wins an AI every year. Mayo put up strong challenges all 3 seasons, Donegal also doing so in 2014.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4207 - 03/08/2016 02:14:39    1894445

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Replying To Llaw_Gyffes:  "Absolutely no pressure on Mayo. The general consensus within the county is that this team are past their peak and are doing well to be in the quarter final. I don't think that there is any pressure on Donegal as they have a medal in their back pocket and they are generally not expected to beat Dublin. There is a certain amount of pressure on Dublin to prove their greatness by winning back to backs. Tyrone likewise are the new kids on the block and there is a certain amount of pressure on them to deliver. Kerry on the other hand are always under pressure as two years without an All Ireland constitutes a famine and losing so often to Dublin is making them grumpy. We have learned to temper our expectations after sixty odd years of failure but we'll be there again in force next Saturday and win, lose or draw the sun will rise again on Sunday. As our own Wiilie the Shoe, god rest him, used to say 'pressure is what they check in tyres'."
Pressure makes diamonds, baby!

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4207 - 03/08/2016 02:20:33    1894446

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They are not regions, they are counties. Its time you started to get with the program and not behave like a delinquent child constantly looking for attention by constantly going against the grain.

Whatever sort of a complex you have got going on, it has developed into a very deep chip. The post isnt worth answering other than making this point.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 03/08/2016 08:18:07    1894458

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The only team under any pressure in 2016 is Dublin. The media has put them up on a pedestal as unbeatable and the best team of all time etc etc. The reality is that they are missing a couple of key defenders and their midfield is average at best. They are a good team in a desperately poor era, that the worst Kerry team in 20 years is joint second favourite with Tyrone (who were soundly beaten by Kerry in 2015) tells you all you need to know about the standard of the opposition they face.

I doubt very much that the public of Mayo or Donegal are expecting their teams to win Sam. Either of them could do it, but they've no right to expect to do so. Mayo should have at least 1 AI in the bag at this stage, and Donegal should possibly have a second (although I don't believe they deserved to beat Kerry in 2014) but that means nothing in the context of this years championship. Good luck to both of them.

It really is an open championship this year. Dublin are deserved favourites but I sense a vulnerability about them that wasn't there last year. They've a lot of players that aren't necessarily old but have a lot of miles on the clock and I think we've already seen the best of them as a team. Will the hunger still be there having won so much in recent years? The best thing going for them this year is the frankly pathetic chasing pack IMO.

GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 03/08/2016 09:59:01    1894496

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Replying To GeniusGerry:  "The only team under any pressure in 2016 is Dublin. The media has put them up on a pedestal as unbeatable and the best team of all time etc etc. The reality is that they are missing a couple of key defenders and their midfield is average at best. They are a good team in a desperately poor era, that the worst Kerry team in 20 years is joint second favourite with Tyrone (who were soundly beaten by Kerry in 2015) tells you all you need to know about the standard of the opposition they face.

I doubt very much that the public of Mayo or Donegal are expecting their teams to win Sam. Either of them could do it, but they've no right to expect to do so. Mayo should have at least 1 AI in the bag at this stage, and Donegal should possibly have a second (although I don't believe they deserved to beat Kerry in 2014) but that means nothing in the context of this years championship. Good luck to both of them.

It really is an open championship this year. Dublin are deserved favourites but I sense a vulnerability about them that wasn't there last year. They've a lot of players that aren't necessarily old but have a lot of miles on the clock and I think we've already seen the best of them as a team. Will the hunger still be there having won so much in recent years? The best thing going for them this year is the frankly pathetic chasing pack IMO."
Can't argue with any of that.

Llaw_Gyffes (Mayo) - Posts: 1113 - 03/08/2016 10:27:17    1894515

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