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Just watching Kerry beat Clare here and really, Kerry must foul more than everyone else. Jersey pulling, hands on the shoulder, pushes in the back. They must have given away dozens of fouls today and that doesn't include the ones the referee turned a blind eye to. I watched Kerry play against Tipperary and again they were unreal in the way they fouled TIpperary any time they looked to threaten. They base their defence on fouling and then getting numbers back. I don't think there is any other team in the country who is as systematic at these fouls which they know while persistent, can't be punished by black cards. Very poor to watch and very cynical. icehonesty (Wexford) - Posts: 2550 - 31/07/2016 15:35:48 1892845 Link
Replying To icehonesty: "Just watching Kerry beat Clare here and really, Kerry must foul more than everyone else. Jersey pulling, hands on the shoulder, pushes in the back. They must have given away dozens of fouls today and that doesn't include the ones the referee turned a blind eye to. I watched Kerry play against Tipperary and again they were unreal in the way they fouled TIpperary any time they looked to threaten. They base their defence on fouling and then getting numbers back. I don't think there is any other team in the country who is as systematic at these fouls which they know while persistent, can't be punished by black cards. Very poor to watch and very cynical." Totally agree, other teams do it but only do it when it's needed, however Kerry do it in all areas of the pitch and when it isn't required. It's awful to watch and not picked up by the analysts as it would be if Dublin or Donegal do it. It's beautiful ruthless Kerry in their opinion. IrishGael3 (USA) - Posts: 1092 - 31/07/2016 15:54:10 1892860 Link
Maybe waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 31/07/2016 15:59:16 1892866 Link
Replying To icehonesty: "Just watching Kerry beat Clare here and really, Kerry must foul more than everyone else. Jersey pulling, hands on the shoulder, pushes in the back. They must have given away dozens of fouls today and that doesn't include the ones the referee turned a blind eye to. I watched Kerry play against Tipperary and again they were unreal in the way they fouled TIpperary any time they looked to threaten. They base their defence on fouling and then getting numbers back. I don't think there is any other team in the country who is as systematic at these fouls which they know while persistent, can't be punished by black cards. Very poor to watch and very cynical." Are you asking us or telling us? And have you stats to back up that claim? It I want you to get Dublin Mayo Tyrone Donegal and our stats so we can compare them all. KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 31/07/2016 17:15:54 1892901 Link
Kerry dont but donaghy does. Gets away with murder Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 31/07/2016 17:21:29 1892908 Link
Replying To icehonesty: "Just watching Kerry beat Clare here and really, Kerry must foul more than everyone else. Jersey pulling, hands on the shoulder, pushes in the back. They must have given away dozens of fouls today and that doesn't include the ones the referee turned a blind eye to. I watched Kerry play against Tipperary and again they were unreal in the way they fouled TIpperary any time they looked to threaten. They base their defence on fouling and then getting numbers back. I don't think there is any other team in the country who is as systematic at these fouls which they know while persistent, can't be punished by black cards. Very poor to watch and very cynical." NO! SAMMYTHEBULL (Galway) - Posts: 1646 - 31/07/2016 17:21:44 1892909 Link
Replying To KingdomBoy1: "Are you asking us or telling us? And have you stats to back up that claim? It I want you to get Dublin Mayo Tyrone Donegal and our stats so we can compare them all." There's many an assertion about Ulster football without stats but you have to agree how much Kerry foul it's constant and it's been happening a long time. IrishGael3 (USA) - Posts: 1092 - 31/07/2016 17:25:47 1892910 Link
Donaghy punched a Clare guy in the first half and he wasn't even spoken to? sam2008 (Tyrone) - Posts: 797 - 31/07/2016 17:30:16 1892919 Link
Kerry have been doing this for a long time. if you like watch them they stop the opposition from attacking in the middle of the pitch. They pull or put a hand on the shoulder for a few seconds to slow down the player. Refs hardly ever blow it up but even when they do its in the middle of the pitch and gives kerry time to get numbers back. It's clear but it is as cynical and deliberate as I have ever seen. kevin03 (Tyrone) - Posts: 276 - 31/07/2016 18:25:52 1893013 Link
Replying To IrishGael3: "There's many an assertion about Ulster football without stats but you have to agree how much Kerry foul it's constant and it's been happening a long time." I don't have to agree to anything unless ye have proof of this claim that we are supposed to foul more than any other team. Ice honesty Should back up his assertion with facts. And this is not me being angry but I really honestly want to know is it a FACT that we foul more than any1 else? KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 31/07/2016 19:42:30 1893078 Link
Not only that, but they commit what I would describe as "half fouls"- the little tug as an opponent breaks through, just enough to slow momentum, and usually unpunished. football first (None) - Posts: 1259 - 31/07/2016 20:25:37 1893107 Link
I think all the top teams foul quite a lot. Tactical/cynical fouling or whatever you want to call it is part of the game nowadays...unfortunately. Most supporters can see every team doing it except their own team. The black card was supposed to get rid of cynical fouling but I can't see much difference. As the Kerry posters have said, it would be great to see the actual stats instead of arguing about who fouls the most. The Kieran Donaghy incident is a totally separate argument. It was definitely borderline red card but that was just poor refereeing. Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts: 1874 - 31/07/2016 20:29:20 1893113 Link
All the top teams do it and little difference between any of them. The Refs should give a tick for it- as that is only way of stopping it. Donaghy's foul was no better or worse than most others I have seen all year so I would not dwell on it. I did notice that the Kerry players were too close to the free taker many times and got away with it. Most good teams are able to spot a Ref weakness and proceed to do what the think the'll get away with. browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 31/07/2016 20:43:12 1893143 Link
I wouldnt say they foul more.......they get away with it more. Like a team will foul until the ref puts his foot down. I was at the Donegal Cork games yesterday and it was a really clean game. Hardly a tackle in the game. Watching Kerry playing today they were blocking runners. Dragging guys to the ground. But it was unpunished; they got away with it. I cant imagine Tyrone would get away with that kinda stuff. Dublin never get away with it thats the reason they dont do it. Some counties are a protected species. I think refs are reluctant to give decisions against Kerry. In saying that, the ref in the Donegal Cork game gave Donegal some tap over frees at a crucial time in yesterdays game. Cork couldnt get a free for what I'd say were similar or more deserving a free. Its poor reffing mostly. Thats why fans get annoyed. Its too inconsistent. JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 31/07/2016 21:05:23 1893183 Link
This is an old debate in that people associate Kerry with the stylists of the past- and some of the present. There is no doubt that they Kerry are in my opinion one of the worst if not the worst at stopping the momentum of other teams. In particular they regularly do it to Cork particularly if Cork get a few scores together then they foul out the field to stop momentum and to quieten the Cork support. That has been a tendency of this Kerry team. Look at the two games v Cork last year. Do all teams use this as a tactic... many do and Kerry are in there with the best of them! Not pretty to watch by the way and does little for their reputation. Then again - winning seems to count for everything and any way to win seems to be acceptable for everyone in the GAA!! carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1821 - 31/07/2016 21:05:35 1893184 Link
Yes, yes they do. If you watch regular games involving various counties, you'll see they foul systematically on a level unlike other teams. It's actually very obvious if you have eyes in your head! Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 1321 - 31/07/2016 21:14:44 1893189 Link
Replying To JayP: "I wouldnt say they foul more.......they get away with it more. Like a team will foul until the ref puts his foot down. I was at the Donegal Cork games yesterday and it was a really clean game. Hardly a tackle in the game. Watching Kerry playing today they were blocking runners. Dragging guys to the ground. But it was unpunished; they got away with it. I cant imagine Tyrone would get away with that kinda stuff. Dublin never get away with it thats the reason they dont do it. Some counties are a protected species. I think refs are reluctant to give decisions against Kerry. In saying that, the ref in the Donegal Cork game gave Donegal some tap over frees at a crucial time in yesterdays game. Cork couldnt get a free for what I'd say were similar or more deserving a free. Its poor reffing mostly. Thats why fans get annoyed. Its too inconsistent." Iv watched a good few Dublin games this year and Dublin seem to get a lot of easy frees at the start of first half and second halfs giving ye the chance to build a lead and totally deflate ye'r opposition . So I want to know do Dublin get too many easy frees? And how many more easy frees do Dublin get compared to all the rest of us. KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 31/07/2016 23:20:04 1893278 Link
Replying To JayP: "I wouldnt say they foul more.......they get away with it more. Like a team will foul until the ref puts his foot down. I was at the Donegal Cork games yesterday and it was a really clean game. Hardly a tackle in the game. Watching Kerry playing today they were blocking runners. Dragging guys to the ground. But it was unpunished; they got away with it. I cant imagine Tyrone would get away with that kinda stuff. Dublin never get away with it thats the reason they dont do it. Some counties are a protected species. I think refs are reluctant to give decisions against Kerry. In saying that, the ref in the Donegal Cork game gave Donegal some tap over frees at a crucial time in yesterdays game. Cork couldnt get a free for what I'd say were similar or more deserving a free. Its poor reffing mostly. Thats why fans get annoyed. Its too inconsistent." Iv watched a good few Dublin games this year and Dublin seem to get a lot of easy frees at the start of first half and second halfs giving ye the chance to build a lead and totally deflate ye'r opposition . So I want to know do Dublin get too many easy frees? And how many more easy frees do Dublin get compared to all the rest of us. KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 31/07/2016 23:28:31 1893283 Link
Replying To icehonesty: "Just watching Kerry beat Clare here and really, Kerry must foul more than everyone else. Jersey pulling, hands on the shoulder, pushes in the back. They must have given away dozens of fouls today and that doesn't include the ones the referee turned a blind eye to. I watched Kerry play against Tipperary and again they were unreal in the way they fouled TIpperary any time they looked to threaten. They base their defence on fouling and then getting numbers back. I don't think there is any other team in the country who is as systematic at these fouls which they know while persistent, can't be punished by black cards. Very poor to watch and very cynical." You should have taken the 'Do' out of the thread because it's obvious to everything but referees and the salivating, fawning, worshipping Southern media that Kerry DO INDEED foul more than most other sides. However to even suggest this is sedition and not part of the plan where the only narrative is that 'it's ONLY Ulster sides that do this'. Move along, nothing to report here! Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9702 - 01/08/2016 01:22:40 1893303 Link
This thread should be about the standard of referee we have, ponga (Mayo) - Posts: 649 - 01/08/2016 09:48:53 1893351 Link